The swamp seems to be most dangerously peopled by those who talk about the swamp! Peter On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 at 18:29, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Dan > One difference. That which emerges is not identical to that from which it > emerges. The swamp gas is not the swamp. They are indeed in a sub- and > supervenient relationship, and so Trump emerged from and is of a complex > adapting field, and he now exerts a downward influence over it. But the > field is still self adapting. There is a Haley. There are more people in > the country who will not vote for Trump than who will (no matter what). > There is the separation of powers in the government. The system is in > turmoil, not dead. > > And what I think would be wise is to examine the swamp more than the swamp > gas. > > Phil > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 3, 2024, at 10:37 AM, Peter Philippson <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > Thanks Dan. > > I think there are arguments to be had about all those points, but the main > thing is the totally dumb attempt to provide a spurious parity between > actions that weaken the democratic and legal bonds that hold a nation > together or that sustain our capacity to live comfortably on our planet, > and the gender thing which only really affects those involved. > > Peter > > On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 at 16:17, Dan Bloom <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> I agree Peter. >> >> His emergence is of a field in which he has been a provocateur. >> >> We know in emergence theory that emergent events exert downward >> non-linear “causation" on that from which they are emergent. This is a >> sub- and supervenient relationship. >> >> Trump is both the swamp gas emergent of the swamp and the swamp itself. :) >> >> I agree with Maher, by the way. Both sides deny the science that is >> inconvenient to them. But his characterization of gender issues is >> uninformed. Does he really know nothing about them? Seems he does. >> >> Dan >> >> On Feb 3, 2024, at 10:56 AM, Peter Philippson <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >> No, he was the enabler, but he would have been nobody without people who >> said 'Well he isn't presidential, but he fulfills our/God's purpose.' Now >> who would have said that?! >> >> By the way, field theory doesn't say that an individual isn't very >> powerful at times. >> >> Peter >> >> On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 at 00:26, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >>> Ya know. He alone, all by himself pulled the entire country apart. Where >>> is your field theory right now Peter? It’s just not that simple. >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Feb 2, 2024, at 4:50 PM, Peter Philippson <[log in to unmask]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Weasel, weasel, weasel... >>> >>> You are a distinterested social experimenter who supported the guy who >>> as we predicted pulled apart the social fabric of your country IN THE NAME >>> OF CONSERVATISM. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024, 22:56 Philip Brownell, <[log in to unmask]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I’m not desperate Peter. Desperation not in the equation. I’m just >>>> quoting Bill Maher as a kind of social experiment/ Rorschach test. You know >>>> what might a person say to this? And there you are. >>>> >>>> Phil >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Feb 2, 2024, at 3:48 PM, Peter Philippson <[log in to unmask]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> You must be desperate Phil. >>>> >>>> On the one hand there are people trying to turn America into a fascist >>>> theocracy, invading the seats of power and threatening to kill those they >>>> disagree with, threatening democracy, achieving the legal a system, or >>>> denying climate emergencies while parts of America burns. On the other hand >>>> there are some people whose proprioceptive sense of themselves is of a >>>> different gender to their outer physical appearance. I know, let's find a >>>> form of weasel words that makes them as bad as each other. >>>> >>>> Desperate indeed! >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> >>>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024, 15:46 Philip Brownell, <[log in to unmask]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Bill Maher: "When historians look back in a hundred years, if we're >>>>> still here, I don't think they're going to divide the country like we do >>>>> into these two camps. They're going to say: As a *people*, they were >>>>> obnoxious. It happens in different forms on both sides. As a people, they >>>>> didn't believe in science. On the right, they think global warming is a >>>>> hoax or whatever nonsense they believe about that. And on the left, they >>>>> think men can have babies. That's what they'll say. They'll say, ‘As a >>>>> people, they just lost their s--t.’” >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________ Gstalt-L is an independent eCommunity of people >>>>> interested in gestalt therapy theory and its various applications. Its >>>>> public archives can be found at >>>>> http://listserv.icors.org/scripts/wa-ICORS.exe?A0=GSTALT-L, and >>>>> subscriptions can be managed by clicking on "Subscriber's Corner," which is >>>>> found at the archives. >>>> >>>> ______________ Gstalt-L is an independent eCommunity of people >>>> interested in gestalt therapy theory and its various applications. Its >>>> public archives can be found at >>>> http://listserv.icors.org/scripts/wa-ICORS.exe?A0=GSTALT-L, and >>>> subscriptions can be managed by clicking on "Subscriber's Corner," which is >>>> found at the archives. >>>> >>>> ______________ Gstalt-L is an independent eCommunity of people >>>> interested in gestalt therapy theory and its various applications. Its >>>> public archives can be found at >>>> http://listserv.icors.org/scripts/wa-ICORS.exe?A0=GSTALT-L, and >>>> subscriptions can be managed by clicking on "Subscriber's Corner," which is >>>> found at the archives. >>> >>> ______________ Gstalt-L is an independent eCommunity of people >>> interested in gestalt therapy theory and its various applications. Its >>> public archives can be found at >>> http://listserv.icors.org/scripts/wa-ICORS.exe?A0=GSTALT-L, and >>> subscriptions can be managed by clicking on "Subscriber's Corner," which is >>> found at the archives. >>> >>> ______________ Gstalt-L is an independent eCommunity of people >>> interested in gestalt therapy theory and its various applications. Its >>> public archives can be found at >>> http://listserv.icors.org/scripts/wa-ICORS.exe?A0=GSTALT-L, and >>> subscriptions can be managed by clicking on "Subscriber's Corner," which is >>> found at the archives. >> >> >> >> -- >> Peter (Philippson) >> [log in to unmask] >> ______________ Gstalt-L is an independent eCommunity of people interested >> in gestalt therapy theory and its various applications. Its public archives >> can be found at >> http://listserv.icors.org/scripts/wa-ICORS.exe?A0=GSTALT-L, and >> subscriptions can be managed by clicking on "Subscriber's Corner," which is >> found at the archives. >> >> >> ______________ Gstalt-L is an independent eCommunity of people interested >> in gestalt therapy theory and its various applications. Its public archives >> can be found at >> http://listserv.icors.org/scripts/wa-ICORS.exe?A0=GSTALT-L, and >> subscriptions can be managed by clicking on "Subscriber's Corner," which is >> found at the archives. > > > > -- > Peter (Philippson) > [log in to unmask] > ______________ Gstalt-L is an independent eCommunity of people interested > in gestalt therapy theory and its various applications. Its public archives > can be found at > http://listserv.icors.org/scripts/wa-ICORS.exe?A0=GSTALT-L, and > subscriptions can be managed by clicking on "Subscriber's Corner," which is > found at the archives. > > ______________ Gstalt-L is an independent eCommunity of people interested > in gestalt therapy theory and its various applications. Its public archives > can be found at > http://listserv.icors.org/scripts/wa-ICORS.exe?A0=GSTALT-L, and > subscriptions can be managed by clicking on "Subscriber's Corner," which is > found at the archives. -- Peter (Philippson) [log in to unmask] ______________ Gstalt-L is an independent eCommunity of people interested in gestalt therapy theory and its various applications. Its public archives can be found at http://listserv.icors.org/scripts/wa-ICORS.exe?A0=GSTALT-L, and subscriptions can be managed by clicking on "Subscriber's Corner," which is found at the archives.