Pa Saikou, Ah-nyab- Safu?

I wasn't going to respond to your "nice piece" to safe you the
embarrassment of jumping onto my write up without either understanding the
substance of it or simply responding with an emotional fixated made up mind
on Dr. Janneh. Clearly you cannot look at this particular subject with an
objective mind because of your obsession with the person involved.

I would recommend that you go back and read what I wrote and how I
referenced Dr. Saine and Jawara in my write up. For the record I have
personally interacted with Dr. Saine at various levels and there is no
Gambian Scholar who I respect more and admire for not only his scholarly
work but his down to earth humbleness. (Point one)

I only reference Dr. Saine to make a point that none of us can escape the
petty criticism of pundits without looking at the issues from a broader or
more objective view. Thus I indicated that despite all his Scholarly work
and contribution as you recognized he was called all kinds of names on
these forums during the NADD debate... which you were a huge part of
parading partisan sentiments without recognizing that the stakes were
higher than any party or individual. No where in my write up do I accused
Dr. Saine of anything but only mentioned that people in fact in your camp
were the ones calling him names (we can reference the records if you
desire) Point two

Pa Saikou, I have much respect for you and I expect that you will look at
any issue from both sides before making a conclusive decision that clearly
shows narrow mindedness and lack of objectivity.. I have nothing to gain by
being "dishonest on this issue" I simply made an observation that I think
has merits and gave examples. Dr. Janneh's decision will remain
controversial and I personally disagree with it as I mentioned several
times...

My reference to Jawara and judging a man's legacy by a single incident got
left out in your response because you cherry picked the issue you already
made up your mind on. So I won't fault you for being self righteous and
sloppy without objectivity...

Again, I am neither a defender nor an advocate for Dr. Janneh. The man is
doing that himself and I must admit he is doing a God damn good job on
focusing on what matters and engaging people who are willing to be
objective.

Gambia's major problem at this time is not Dr. Janneh but your UNCLE
Jammeh. Anything to get our eyes of that ball should not be given any
attention period. I hope you open up your mind a little more....

Demba


On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Pa. Saikou Kujabi <
[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Mawdo Demba, "Angkhaddi" misiku a-wellaani deh"
>
> You are not only mixing coconuts and oranges, you are absolutely dishonest
> by equating what you call "Dr. Saine's daring to stand up with his friends
> (the OJs) in the NAAd debacle", whatever that means, to Dr. Janneh's well
> calculated, personal-ambition-driven move to join a regime that has at the
> time, repeatedly raped democracy in our motherland, slaughtered babies on
> the streets of Banjul, many others died mysteriously, or disappeared, and
> many more. If what you alleged Dr. Saine did was in fact true, I very
> proudly say Kudos to him, for that was a perfect democratic process, not a
> dictatorship, or a blind-dumb loyalty to an individual or ideology. You
> will  recall that Dr. Saine has, in that same time period or thereafter,
> called on the opposition on a couple of times to throw their fullest
> support behind Ousainou Darboe to lead the coalition for various reasons
> that he very well articulated. So there wasn't any such thing as "friends"
> that Dr. Saine stood up for in the NAAD debacle. He has consistently stood
> up for one thing, and one thing only, a Gambia free of tyranny and
> oppression.
>
>  Besides, there are fundamental differences between Dr. Saine and Janneh
> in relation to your citation, which by the way, is shrouded in hypocrisy
> and blind-dumb allegiance to Dr. Janneh. In Dr. Saine, one will find
> consistency, honesty, sincerity, content, and above all, bravery and
> selflessness. A front line soldier who has never been tempted by Jammeh's
> luxurious cabinate or diplomatic positions. With the tittle in front of his
> name, I am convinced that it would not take Yaya a day to figure out his
> capabilities and accomplishments. A click of a button would take care of
> that.  Furthermore, even if Dr. Saine had been called many names as you
> alleged, you will also agree with me that those critics were not calling
> him names for switching sides or cross-carpeting over to AFPRC/APRC. The
> name callers were undoubtedly from other opposition camps who would have
> been honored, or in fact have expected him to endorse their choice of
> candidate at that time(their respective party leaders). Unlike Dr. Janneh,
> Dr. Saine  has never been part of the AFPRC/APRC regime, even though he has
> probably met Yaya before Dr. Janneh did.
>
> You will further agree with me that Dr. Saine has always been with us in
> every step of the way, and has never capitulated to pressure, or succumbed
> to greed or personal ego, to say the least.  The review, if anything, has
> in many ways echoed the sentiments openly and honestly expressed, and
> debated in this and other forums, including Gainako, I think.
>
> In conclusion, I want to assure you that Dr. Saine's views on this and
> many other political issues surrounding The Gambia, are mostly, if not all
> the time, on solid grounds, such that not you or Janneh ....to borrow a
> line from brethren Modou Mboge " the enabler", can refute. Therefore, to
> suggest that Dr. Saine "made a mistake" by standing up for his friends
> (OJs) is just not supported by a thread of fact. On the conversely, to
> suggest that Dr. Janneh made a mistake by lobbying and eventually accepting
> Yaya's appointment does not hold an atom bit of water. He knew what he was
> doing ( Mens rea), sought for it and jumped (Actus reus) on it when he was
> provided with the opportunity. Dream come true, right?
>
> "Beh Kajjum"
>
> Pa. S. Kujabi.
>
>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]>
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Sent:* Friday, July 26, 2013 12:57 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Standing Against Injustice:Review by Professor Saine
>
> All,
>
> I thought Dr. Saine's review of "Standing Up for Injustice" is very good
> and balance. It is great to see our Professionals openly review the work of
> others with critical questions and observations without fear of all the
> sentiments that may come with it. It shows an open mature people who can
> look at issues objectively, opine on it without fear of being attacked.
> Kudos to Dr. Saine on this and LJD on Papa Faals " A week in hell".
>
> Dr. Janneh's book and decision to work for Jammeh will continue to be a
> controversy and a lesson for many Gambians. I think the decision should be
> looked at from a broader perspective in that judging a man/woman by a
> single incident or decision in their entire life or legacy may be
> historically inconclusive. History teaches that great contributors to
> society or must admired have an ugly chapter in their life that they wish
> never had occurred...
>
> Sir Dawda Jawara one of the most admired and respected in Gambian
> political history despite his shortcomings stood by Jammeh and continue to
> stand by him as we speak. There is certainly nothing more dishonorable than
> standing beside the one person who has insulted you so much, discard you so
> openly and ruin so much of what you have worked all your life to build. To
> err is human and am sure most of us would wish that we have not done or
> said something in our life one time or another.
>
> Dr. Saine himself a brain behind the founding of STGDP and an incredible
> scholar in our times was called all kinds of names on this forum for daring
> to stand up with his friends (the OJs) during the NADD debacle. It just
> goes to show that none of us could have a completely clean slate either in
> public or private life in the eyes of others.
>
> So again, while I strongly disagree with Dr. Janneh's decision to work for
> Jammeh, history will judge him and many of us not on a single incident but
> what we dedicate our lives in fighting for. I admire a man/woman who see
> injustice, taste injustice and may even render injustice but dedicate part
> of his/her life to fight to correct that wrong .. History will be the
> ultimate judge and the jury is still out!
>
> Happy Friday
>
> Demba
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 4:36 AM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Yero
> I will depart a bit on the Dr Saine review. It is human folly to make
> errors of judgement, some calculated, others accidental. Dr Janneh's error
> in joining Jammeh is well argued and elaborately written about. In the
> stage of the game we find ourselves in, his efforts are commendable today
> than, Dr Saine regurgitating what has been said over and over.
> The review is not radical neither unexpected. The case at hand seems to be
> focusing on the person of Dr Janneh and his mistakes...Dr Janneh paid the
> ultimate price for that. He was imprison for a long period and went through
> a painful ordeal, I belief that is a reconpence for giving Jammeh the
> benefit of the doubt. Many in his place would have kept quiet and
> has continued to do so.
> Dr Saine's review of Editor Mbai's book was more interesting if you ask
> me. That book is nearly impossible to review. I started to read it, but
> couldn't go anywhere. Hence when I saw Dr Saine's review of it, I was
> flabbergasted to be honest. Dr Janneh's continued efforts should be
> encouraged and others too trying to formulate agendas and organisations
> that can create formidable fighting point. The intellectual battles will be
> fought, but they are more about clashes of egos to those that will yield
> meaningful headway.
>
> Thanks
> Suntou
>
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>  *Standing Against Injustice*:Review by Professor Saine
>
> http://gainako.com/?p=1454
>
> Good folks,
>
> If you are like me, where you could not read all these books entirely or
> even partially, hanging onto reviews of experts will keep you up to date on
> some of these books.
>
> Thanks Professor Saine for your continued reviews. These reviews are very
> enlightening. I don't know how you guys keep up with it. I can only guess
> it must be a lot of work. The online media Gainako especially appreciate
> your generosity and sharing spirit.
>
> I congratulate Dr. Janneh for adding his memoir to Gambia's history. With
> due respect to him, it still leaves unanswered questions on why after all
> he decided to join the regime. To go and fight within was not only
> ill-advised, it also carries with it, "Guilt by association," especially
> after knowing the much about Jammeh's terror regime. Moreover, Dr. Janneh
> was already a professor in a political related discipline, an expectation
> to shape one's mind and country. Don't get me wrong. I champion the use of
> common sense and good judgment rather than making degrees a worshipping
> tool. I am just sharing that be that he is an educated person, it is hard
> to excuse him on the basis that he didn't know. I think history will find
> it hard to reconcile that part of it. It now lies wholly on Dr. Janneh
> to live with that stigma, something I believe his critics have valid points
> against.
>
> I must equally be fair to him and some of his very disciplined associates
> that since his release, I admired his participation and continuing to fight
> alongside with us to root out the dictator.
>
> Best for Ramadan,
> Yero
>
>
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