AbdouKarim

I didn't reference any publication. I did cited some sources of the numbers
- not all of them.

In fact my original question is not about population but given what the
country had as resources including human capital - are we poor and/or
mismanaged.

You picked the angle that interest you or assumed what I/we are alluding
to. I used we because Demba shared.

Mind is more political factors (choices made by our governments) than
anything else.

Regardless increase in population on a finite resources means reduction
either in quality or quantity or both. That's an establish fact - not an
unproven theory or opinion.

Burama

On Friday, May 30, 2014, abdoukarim sanneh <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Burama
> I am not downplaying factor in resource utilisation. It is the publication
> that you reference that are giving us the only dominant narrative framing
> of population growth nexus natural resources causation. It becomes the only
> acceptable hypothesis. The resulting factor such as poverty international
> political economic power and power relation of resource use and control id
> always negated.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 07:05:46 -0400
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: What's Our Make-up & How Was/Is It Managed
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> AbdouKarim
>
> You may have a point and am not disputing.
>
> Regardless increasing demand of any resources means scarcity. Population
> is one of the variables that with any increase will reduce either quality
> or quantity of a said resource. I have not seen a study that puts every
> blame of land degradation on population but surely a factor.
>
> Yes we are agrarian. Isn't that people in need of land for food production
> - hence more/faster depletion. As humans we can change from agrarian and/or
> improve on techniques. Isn't that management?
>
> International trade and debt, especially debt servicing for The Gambia is
> a problem. Again proper and inform management should ameliorate some of
> those problems. On the flip side trade is not only good but important.
>
> Fair trade is more a political phenomenon than it's economic. In economics
> trade is anchored on comparative advantage theorem.
>
> Unless you totally exclude and/or downplay the role of population
> increase we are in agreement.
>
> Regards
>
> Burama
>
> On Friday, May 30, 2014, abdoukarim sanneh <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> Burama
> That is neomalthusian narrative. Population growth is always use as the
> cause and the results factor is negated. The results to resource
> degradation is beyond demographic narrative of population growth. We are an
> agrarian economy and so depend on natural resources for livelihoods.
> Poverty nexus land degradation is was negligent and population growth
> always take a center stage and becomes the dominant thesis.  Do you look
> into international political economic issues such debt and its impact on
> mortgaging our natural resources in servicing debtors.  Lack of fair trade
> and it's association poverty natural resources uses etc.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 05:23:42 -0400
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: What's Our Make-up & How Was/Is It Managed
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Abdoukarim
>
> Gambia is considered one of the overcrowded nation by all estimators
> including WHO’s
>
> Having 1.7million on about 11000 sq. km = 155 people/sq. km. Considering
> not all of the 11K is not land - some water, some forest, roads, etc is
> highly dense.
>
> Gambia at one time (some times in the 90s) used to be the fasted growing
> in the sub region. Not only due to natural birth but also the subregional
> conflicts contributed to that trench
>
> Estimates (WHO 2010) - 55% are living in the urban area - that means we
> are not symmetrically spread over the nation.
>
> Multi- factors contributed to resources degradation (resources in the
> broader sense) - some natural and others human. I can still try provide
> studies/sources that said so.
>
> I just stated few stats and never suggest Mathusianism, others and/or
> otherwise.Put it simply I never suggest we control people in favor of
> resources.
>
> In fact I asked question whether our poverty was a given or mismanagement.
>
> Thanks for your input.
>
> Burama
>
>
>
> On May 30, 2014, at 4:17 AM, abdoukarim sanneh <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Neo-malthusian framing of over population is very wrong.  Poverty and
> political economy is the cause of resource degradation. Gambia is not an
> over populated country.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 23:27:47 -0400
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: What's Our Make-up & How Was/Is It Managed
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Demba, the Burama I know does not take no for an answer but i will advice
> that we narrow the focus of the discussion and take on  population, land
> water, economy and governance separately, if we are to be effective.
>
> Some will argue that if you deal with governance the rest will fall in
> line.
> Jefferson put it nicely when he said we are al
>
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