>From: malik kah <[log in to unmask]>
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>Subject: Re: Prince and the NIA/Malik kah
>Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:38:49 +0000
>
>Yero, the concluding question you asked summed up your position viz a viz
>the NIA. "Why fear the NIA when if you did not break the law?" By virtue
>of
>asking such a question you are making the inference that the NIA is doing
>nothing wrong it is the victims who have something covert and that is the
>reason why they are being picked in the firsy place. You see such type of
>reasoning is erroneous, because it excuses the culprit and accuses the
>victim. This type of logic is very loopsided, hence it cannot stand the
>yardstick of justice and that is precisely what you have become victim of.
>You are failing to accept the injustices perpetrated by this institution.
>By
>doing so you are not helping forge a genuine democracy. You are actually
>perpetuating tyranny, because instead of voicing against injustice you are
>turning to the other side pretending nothing is happening. More mystifying
>is your attempt to justify the actions as being conventional covert
>actions,
>this is classic a classic case of denial. You should acknowledge as did a
>judge that the NIA is acting in contempt of everybody, even whereas the
>courts instruct them, they do not heed, thus treating with contempt our
>very
>legal instituitions.
>
>I have never purported to defend the acts of the CIA, but I can be honest
>to
>acknowledge that they can never get away with torture or contempt of court
>under US JURIDICTION, and you cannot say the same of the NIA. The NIA is
>virtually kidnapping people and deying any knowledge of their whereabouts,
>are you seriously not concerned abot such tactics? If not then there is no
>point furthering this discussion, however, if you recognised that their
>methods are not acceptable, then I will accept that you are partisan but
>decent.
>I hope you appreciate my contentions it is simply based on the facts of the
>NIA'S MODUS OPERANDI, I feel there is need to re-organise the institution
>and make it accountable before a parliamentary committee, that way we can
>use it for the national good and avoid its excesses and arbritrary
>treatment
>of citizens who pay their wages.
>
>
>
>
>>From: YERO MAMA <[log in to unmask]>
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>>Subject: Prince and the NIA/Malik kah
>>Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:30:19 +0000
>>
>>Malik,
>> Neither was i trying to defend anything or anybody brother.You have
>>the
>>right to be an advocate of the CIA if u so wish but...It puzzles me to see
>>Malik a PDOIS member sending such sweet milk to an institution like the
>>CIA!
>>Well Malik in as much as one fears being a culprit of George Bush's "You
>>are
>>either with us or against us" likewise,attempting to entertain topics were
>>the CIA is to be seen as a better tiger than the NIA or any other
>>intelligence agency elsewhere is REALLY unexpected of you.
>>Show me where i attempted to defend the NIA in my article? Where Malik?
>>
>>If i were defending them blindly would i have recommended training the
>>agents concerned etc etc?
>>Malik my position was to compare and contrast and then ask questions...?
>>Did
>>u carefully read my posting brother?
>>
>>Malik no security agency for that matter can escape the dirty games of
>>"covert" operations.You are yet to be "seasoned" in that area i assume(?)
>>Malik then should i say you are deliberately attempting to make us accept
>>that the open apology on CNN as far as Lumumba's death is concerned
>>especially where the CIA has been stained in that operation,is ok for you
>>or...?
>>So despite the fact that they and the Belgians were mentioned on the CNN
>>in
>>an operation like that you still prefer them being saints over other
>>intelligence agencies as far as the rule of law is concerned?
>>Ah Malik?! Or should i say that for you law is only applicable to the
>>present and not the past?
>>
>>Malik please visit the following site and tell me whether you CAN see a
>>better apparatus amongst these intelligence agencies as far as certain
>>operations are concerned or not?
>>Miscarriages in justice are more often caused by intelligence agencies
>>than
>>any other institution as far as "covert" operations are concerned Malik,be
>>they NIA or not!
>>
>>The site is:(www.hrw.org/reports/2000/Rwanda)
>>Malik the more we go the more i can be showing you were both the goose and
>>the gander pick their grains from!
>>So i wasn't defending the NIA i was just trying to let some of us know
>>that
>>its a dream for anyone to think ofa state without an intelligence agency!
>>You did mention the failure of the gestapo...yes Malik! Similar issues
>>created the dark cells of the Gulag achipelago also! These agencies were
>>created for a purpose and they met other agencies that played the cards
>>better than them thus they were put off and demonised for me and you.
>>However,all professionals be they teachers,doctors etc do use the same
>>methods that they learnt from schools or training centers.So the best or
>>the
>>worst depends on who understands how to make good use of what was taught
>>at
>>school and who does not!
>>Now all agents are trained from the same institutions and are using the
>>same
>>methods, so how can you attempt to seperate milk from sugar after the
>>latter
>>has already dissolved in that very bowl of milk?
>>If you praise those intelligence agencies now and condemn colonialism it
>>will make me reach for an aspirin!
>>Who were the conductors of those methods towards our villages apart from
>>those agencies u are praising here?
>>If the Paris agent respects the rule of law(according to what i can gather
>>from yours) more than the Gambian one and that very Parisien showed the
>>Gambian one how to utilise what was learnt from METHODS AND TECHNICS,isn't
>>that a paradoxical position from you Malik?!
>>Malik the methods that have been picked up from Washington or from London
>>are the very ones being used at GPMB!
>>NOTHING LESS NOTHING MORE!
>>You made mention of the CIA answering to questions during press
>>conference!
>>Yes Malik but that was the director and other senior officials you
>>saw.What
>>did the director reply as far as the last question was concerned?
>>Well Malik he chuckled and said that he'd prefer answering it in private!
>>Malik that was transparency being disrespected or National security being
>>safeguarded? I would prefer the latter if i were to be in the CIA
>>director's
>>position.
>>Concealing some information at times means saving the life of agents who
>>are
>>on the ground and in most cases some of those are on missions that are
>>intended to save the lives of millions.
>>So Malik isn't the domain of intelligence networking to slippery to
>>politicise through paradoxical analysis and unprofessional journalism?
>>
>>Malik if u wish i invite u to be my guest on this.
>>
>>Yeropulloh!
>>
>>
>>"YEROMAMA PULORI GALO HAAWA BAROGEL N'DIMOU"
>>"Speak the speeches and let the speeches not spit you."
>>
>>
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