Hi!
Just thought I'd repost the Jawara era videos that I posted a while
back given the debate about him. The link is:

http://raaki.com/raakitv/

 Have a good evening.
Buharry.

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Date: 2010-05-21 0:02
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Subj: RE: [&gt;-&lt;]MAN OF HONOUR AND INTERGRITY


Lad,

The purpose of a national discourse of the one we are involved in is to
shed light on issues. I am therefore disappointed that you are asking
that we agree to disagree. That sounds like escapism, and I wonder
whether we shall agree on anything meaningful, if it becomes the trend
on our discussion boards. Therefore I respectfully insist not to agree
to disagree with you. We have so much in common that we should be abled
to reach common grounds in our debates.

Best of regards,

Omar Joof.



> Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 02:56:04 +0000
> Subject: Re: RE: [>-<]MAN OF HONOUR AND INTERGRITY
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> Thanks Omar,grateful.Lets agree to disagree.
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> From: omar joof <[log in to unmask]>
> To: "[log in to unmask] [log in to unmask]"
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> Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 9:24:11 PM GMT+0000
> Subject: RE: [>-<]MAN OF HONOUR AND INTERGRITY
>
>
> Lad,
>
> for my wonderful old dad(Baba), mom(nye-nye), grandma(maam), uncles
and aunts, and my dear brothers and sisters, I indeed wish I had gone
to university earlier. You may think it was actually the system that
procrastinated my university education, may be partly, but that was not
the whole story. My dad was very old and immediately after sixth form I
had to help my mom bring up my younger siblings. In fact In 1988, I had
to withdraw from The Gambia college, because continuation would have
meant loss of vital income to my family.
>
> I am not the least offended my your assertion.
>
> Best of regards,
>
> Omar Joof.
>
>
>
> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 07:35:36 -0700
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: RE: [>-<]MAN OF HONOUR AND INTERGRITY
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "though some have been provocative enough to insinuate about my age
as if that is relevant".
> Barton,no one said that is relevant.What i said was to see how jawara
wasted your time too among thousands; before settling in a career.Your
"intellect and pragmatism"would have seen you higher than he put you
through in Yahya Jammeh's Gambia before finally settling in UTG.
> Ten things Yahya Jammeh is Better than Jawara
>
> He never signed a death warrant
> He opened the Gambia to technological advancement
> He invested in the Human Resources of the country
> He build a modern Airport
> He built first class road network
> He made education accessible to all
> He built modern Health facilities
> He trained Gambian Born doctors
> He open opportunities to Gambian Youths
> He provided the country with a radio and television service
>
> thats why he is ten times better than him.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 5/18/10, omar joof <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
> From: omar joof <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: RE: [>-<]MAN OF HONOUR AND INTERGRITY
> To: "[log in to unmask] [log in to unmask]"
<[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 7:05 PM
>
>
>
>
> Modou,
> You are right, I have always had my foroyaa report when the paper was
out, but its also good that some of you want this narration to go on. I
will therefore try to be as positive as possible, though some have been
provocative enough to insinuate about my age as if that is relevant.
> We have deviated a lot already , so for the moment, I want to make
three valid points:
> The first one is in response to your question. The issue of stability
in a post-Jawara Gambia was expressed at congress by some of those who
wanted him to stay on. Personally, I believed, like you, that it would
have enhanced National stability. There was in fact a strong feeling in
some quarters that it would have been highly appreciated by our donors.
> Secondly, I want to make it very clear that those who are now being
regarded as reformist within the PPP did not make a stand for change at
the congress . Non of them said a thing. In fact BB Darbo chaired the
closing session at which Sir Dawda made his declaration to quit, and so
more than any one else had ample opportunity to say something.
> Thirdly, the major comparison that has been running through this
debate is Yaya Jammeh as oppose to Sir Dawda. It has been asserted that
the former is ten times better than the latter, which I strongly
contest. I have always insisted that I love Yaya Jammeh personally, but
I abhor his politics. Thus as far as I go, if you compare him with
either Bathurst or Opa, I will take any of the latter two. That's it,
people can take that to be irrational or whatever, but for me, that
manifests the level of my commitment to removing the A(F)PRC regime
from power.
> Best of regards,
> Omar Joof.
>
>
>
> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 08:46:37 +0000
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: RE: [>-<]MAN OF HONOUR AND INTERGRITY
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>
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>
>
>
> Mr Joof, thank you. I understand yuo very well. My main point of
concern is the issue of stability of the country vis-a-vis Jawara's
supposed resignation in 1992. One can even argue that the country
stability could have been enchanced much better had the pa stepped
aside,
>
> Am enjoying the narations and find them very interesting. It is quite
interesting to me that a handful of the teachers during my time at
Bakoteh were into politics even at that time this includes the
headmaster sulayman Joof who was a councilor then and now a three term
national Asebly for SK West. The only thing i can remember is that you
were a foroyaa reader. I used to pick some pages of foroyaa in the
school probably from your copies.
>
> Let the narations continue and i patiently await Koto Sainey's
version on Jawara and the 1st republic too.
>
> Nyang
>
> --- On Mon, 5/17/10, omar joof <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
> From: omar joof <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: RE: [>-<]MAN OF HONOUR AND INTERGRITY
> To: "[log in to unmask] [log in to unmask]"
<[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 10:42 AM
>
>
>
>
> Modou,
> Not a bad question. But I hope my personal position is not being
misunderstood. I sincerely wished, even at the time, that Sir Dawda had
kept his word and retired. There were those who also felt at the time
that it could have been unwise in terms of the country's stability.
Apparently, there were also those who wanted him to stay because of
personal political reasons.
> It is vital when debates like this are taking place for those who
actually have eye-witness evidences to come forward and recount what
they witnessed. Thats all I am doing.
> Best of regards,
> Omar Joof.
>
>
>
> Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 09:06:40 +0000
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: RE: [>-<]MAN OF HONOUR AND INTERGRITY
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mr, Joof, I call you this way because i was a pupil at bakoteh
primary when you were a teacher there. my question is what do you mean
that "the fact remains that some of them were genuinely concerned about
the stability of the country." How was the stability of the country
going to affected had Jawara moved decided to retire?
>
> Nyang
>
>
> --- On Sun, 5/16/10, omar joof <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
> From: omar joof <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: RE: [>-<]MAN OF HONOUR AND INTERGRITY
> To: "[log in to unmask] [log in to unmask]"
<[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 4:56 PM
>
>
>
>
> My brother Joe,
> When it comes to Sir Dawda's softly-softly politics, and modest
approach to National development, I agree with most of the criticisms
that have been levelled against him. I cannot agree with inefficient
policies that particularly made our common good suffer, but when you go
after his character, I feel you are going way too far.
> I agree that Sir Dawda should not have contested the 1992 elections.
When I first saw him at congress in Mansakonko, he cut a very
grandfatherly figure to my eyes; one who had already given us so much,
that we needed to respectfully give him a break.
> He should take some of the blame for staying on but those who urged
him to do so, should also have their fair share. Similarly, those who
kept mute, and behaved as if they had God given rights to ride on our
backs, are worthy of blame.
> A lot of attention has been given to the so called selfish elements,
but the fact remains that some of them were genuinely concerned about
the stability of the country. At the time the party leadership had
undergone reform to such an extend that its traditional standard
bearers had almost been completely displaced.
> The very people you blame Sir Dawda of abandoning today ( I have huge
affections for some of them), are the very ones who should have
selflessly rallied around party standards and in the national interest,
allow him to go into retirement. Perhaps Sir Dawda is merely being
vindictive, which would be a vice and unworthy of him, but is that not
what happens frequently, if we abandon our collective interest and
common good, for "cabalistic aspirations"?
> Best of regards,
> Omar Joof.
>
>
>
>
> From: [log in to unmask]
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: RE: [>-<]MAN OF HONOUR AND INTERGRITY
> Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 16:59:35 +0000
>
>
>
> Omar, I respect your opinion. However it is this pattern of sleeping
at the switch that I will not continue to excuse Jawara. When he did
not see the wisdom to create institutes of higher learning, we came up
with an excuse When corruption was rife, we excused him for being
aloof. When few individuals played with our resources blatantly, we
said Jawara was not aware. He cut a deal with Yaya and left all to hang
to dry, folks excuse that for wanting to live gracefully, as if those
he betrayed do not deserve the same. Now, he launched his book on the
same day the students were murdered by Yaya, here we go again that it
is a stretch to link the events. Like someone stated, if it were not
presided by the butcher himself, we would not have been discussing him
here.
>
> I am aware that some folks here have a soft spot for Jawara and that
is ok. What I am challenging is this continued aloofness and total
detachment of Jawara in matters of day to day living of Gambians.
Jawara is all about Jawara that it is sickening. When is Jawara for
once going to put the people that he prevailed over for thirty years as
priority number one? At the rate he is going, not even his death will
break his pattern of looking out for Jawara and Jawara alone. We just
have to agree to disagree on Jawara and his character. I'm sure he is
loving to those that are close to him, which is just a slither of our
population.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> From: [log in to unmask]
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: RE: [>-<]MAN OF HONOUR AND INTERGRITY
> Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 17:41:14 +0000
>
>
>
> Folks,
> At the time of the student massacre, Sir Dawda was interviewed but he
never said anything derogative about the students, the movement or its
leadership. The issue here as Wassa rightly pointed out, is the
Launching of a book by Our only former president. Without doubts the
event is of great historical importance, and OJ's attendance would have
been gracious.
> As regards the staging of the book launch on April 10th in relation
to the commemoration of the historic student manifestations of ten
years ago, I do not share Joe's assertions. They cannot by any stretch
of the imagination be said to represent Sir Dawda's actual intentions.
> Furthermore, it is important to remind all that OJ's honour and
intergrity have not been questioned by those of us who have criticized
him this time around. He is a brother and friend and it is strictly in
those terms that he is being criticized.
> Best of regards,
> Omar Joof.
>
>
>
> From: [log in to unmask]
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: RE: [>-<]MAN OF HONOUR AND INTERGRITY
> Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 09:34:13 +0100
>
>
>
> Joe,
> It is your right not to treat the opposition leaders with kid gloves;
but also remember that others also have the same right to give praise
where praise is due. Whether OJ served the interest of Jawara is no
issue here, because we all know that he served as a minister in the old
regime. The point in discussion is the position he took with regard to
the launching of Jawara's book.
>
> Thanks.
> Wassa
>
>
>
> From: [log in to unmask]
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: RE: [>-<]MAN OF HONOUR AND INTERGRITY
> Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 01:09:36 +0000
>
>
>
> Wassa, I am one of those that do not treat the opposition leaders
with kid gloves, and when they speak their mind in the heat of what
obtains in the Gambia, then we must acknowledge them. Regarding the
case of Jawara, it should be evident to all that the man looks for only
Jawara's interest. I know it must be hard for OJ to speak this direct
regarding the man he respected. One thing none can deny is, everything
OJ said about the man is the truth. Did Jawara betray the party he led
for thirty years? The answer is yes? Did Jawara leave those that he ran
away with to hang to dry? Without a doubt. Should Jawara sell his soul
for trinkets in the name of being old and wanting to live the rest of
his life to shake hands with the devil? No However, he has the right to
do what pleases his heart, but in the Gambia of conscience, you cannot
find a bigger traitor in his behavior. Jawara is not the only old man
that has been tried? Heck, you know how many that are older than Ja!
> wara that are in the Gambia and have struggled all their lives and
are still struggling as I write to survive, yet still maintain their
dignity? Faidai Jai Geja! If Jawara wants to play senile and go with
Yaya's program to lunch his book on the day the students were
massacred, then OJ stands tall to reject that collaboration with the
devil. If we claim to have ulcers with Yaya's murder of the students on
April 10, then why should any entertain Jawara in launching his book
with Yaya presiding over that con on the same day he (Yaya) murdered
those students? Is Jawara that senile to not realize the date of his
book launching and the murderer himself? Folks, we need to stop
creating excuses for the inexcusable. All that I have said thus far
have nothing to do with Jawara's thirty years of sleeping at the
switch. This is strictly dealing with the character of the man. If we
can talk about Uwaa and his nephew, Yaya, then we must howl at Baba's
relation with his grandkid, Y!
> aya. I would not second guess any that insinuates that it is !
> Jawara t
> hat assisted Uwaa in hugging Yaya until Yaya's Grand Bubou got all
rumpled. The fact is, if Jawara were our friend we'd call him a
traitor. What Yaya is currently doing to his ministers, Jawara did long
ago when Yaya was in diapers. How many of his contemporaries did he
marginalize to their death? Yes, folks may have a soft spot for that
man and that is natural. However, it is Jawara's character that will
define Jawara in the eyes of an electorate that watched him for forty
five years.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> From: [log in to unmask]
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: RE: [>-<]MAN OF HONOUR AND INTERGRITY
> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 15:28:43 +0100
>
> Bro. Malik,
> Thanks. OJ is unique politician from the old power. Honest, direct,
principled and simple. He has expressed his opinion and it is a picture
of the man himself. He expressed his feelings many in the Gambia would
not dare express as many of his calibre back home are suffering from
intellectual constipation induced by the current regime. OJ, well done.
> Wassa
>
>
>
> From: [log in to unmask]
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: RE: [>-<]MAN OF HONOUR AND INTERGRITY
> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 15:13:56 +0100
>
>
> O.J IS SHOWING THAT HE IS TRULY A MAN OF HONOUR, DIGNITY AND
INTERGRY.
>
>
> From: [log in to unmask]
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [>-<]
> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 19:45:34 +0100
>
>
>
>
>
> Breaking News:Gambia: OJ Turns Down Jawara?s Book Launching
Invitation
> OJ Turns Down Jawara?s Book Launching Invitation
> ?It Is Wrong
For Sir Dawda To Allow Jammeh To Officiate His Book Launching
Ceremony,? OJ Tells Freedom Radio
>
> Says Jawara Disappointd Gambians And The PPP
>
> By Pa Nderry M?Bai
>
> Former Agriculture Minister in the First Republic Omar Amadou Jallow
has been explaining why he refused to honor Sir Dawda Kairaba Jawara?s
book launching ceremony?arguing that it was wrong for Mr. Jawara to
allow President Jammeh to officiate the book launching?given the fact
that he Jammeh toppled Jawara?s 30 year democratically elected
Government. OJ said he received an invitation from the former Gambian
President to witness his book launching, but his conscience would not
allow him to dine with the dictator, who peddled all kinds of false
allegations against Sir Dawda and his former officials. To access the
audio version of the interview, please click this link:
>
> Audio Link:
>
> http://www.box.net/shared/static/nb4ca3nx62.mp3
>
> For OJ, Sir ought to have invited his former colleagues in the sub-
region to officiate the occasion, rather than using Jammeh?a man he
calls a stumbling block to democracy. He said Jammeh doesn?t believe in
democracy and therefore it is an insult for Sir Dawda to compromise all
he stood for over the years to invite a person who toppled his regime.
>
> Mr. Jallow also raises eyebrows over the launching of Jawara?s book
on April 10, a day he said was the darkest day in the history of The
Gambia. Mr. Jallow said this was the day when President Yahya Jammeh?s
Government killed 14 defenseless school children in the name of
suppressing a peaceful student demonstration. OJ said the timing of
Jawara?s book launching speaks volumes. He said he doesn?t want to be
associated with the occasion since he Jawara is betraying the course of
the PPP Government?which gave birth to the post Gambia independence
multiparty democracy.
>
> OJ said he hates to be critical against Jawara, but he deemed it
crucially imperative to speak out for the sake of posterity. He said
Jawara had abandoned his followers?many of whom are in exile overseas
to dine with dictator Jammeh. He said many former PPP officials got
arrested, humiliated, jailed, and forced into exile because of Jawara?s
PPP party, but today Jawara is behaving as if he had never be wronged
by Jammeh.
>
> In what appeared as OJ?s most powerful statement since the toppling
of President Jawara regime, the former Serre Kunda representative said
Jawara should remember that the former officials served his
administration faithfully and honestly. He said the former PPP
officials don?t deserve such treatment from Jawara?who is expected to
ensure the sustenance of the PPP party.
>
> OJ said sadly many political parties in Africa, including The Gambia
died after the departure of its leaders because of selfishness, and
lack of leadership accountability. He said Jawara?s departure led to
the disintegration of the PPP. He said Mr. Jawara had disappointed many
of his supporters because he gave his back to the PPP party since his
removal by the former junta led by President Jammeh.
>
> Regarding the Gambian opposition, OJ said the only way out to remove
Jammeh is to form an opposition alliance. He said the opposition had
betrayed Gambians and should consider putting its house in order for
the sake of liberating The Gambia from political decadence.
>
> Audio Link:
>
> http://www.box.net/shared/static/nb4ca3nx62.mp3
>
>
>
> Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2010 (Archive on Tuesday, July 27, 2010)
> Posted by PNMBAI Contributed by PNMBAI
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