Asalaam Machudo Demba,
Eid Mubarack to you and family, and to all. I just returned home from an "Eit Kaaf", a Sunna by Prophet Muhammad (PBH) in which he spent the last ten days of the Ramadan in his Masjid seeking for forgiveness and blessing of Allah. As a result I deliberately distanced myself from the internet and other worldly affairs, and therefore did not read your usual poem.
I promised not to prolong this back and forth any further than my last piece, but each time I read your statements, I always felt compelled to help you understand better, or distinguish facts from fictions. I thought as a practicing journalist, you would always endeavor to get all the facts even it will take you a little bit more time.
I wish you had not publicly made such allegations and deceitful opinions, because am about to whip you behind, unless you wanna take a hundred push-ups, with facts, and facts only.
Here are the facts;
(1) You claimed "I called you an old school" and you were bitter about that". (False)
I vividly recalled you calling me a "pseudo politician".
(2) You asked "What happened to you and the UDP? Love lost there too??? Certainly yours was bitter than mind because I have never been a part of PDOIS and you were vested in UDP and even contested elections in their party platform and of course the results were usual.... I still cheer you for standing up to what you see is not right in your party"
Facts;
(a) "What happened to you and UDP"...Absolutely Nothing. Unless you know something that I don't know. If you do, I also wanna know that please.
(b) Love lost? Not at all. The course is a legit, and the force is a formidable one. Is it the only force? Certainly not.
(c) I have never had a BITTER EXPERIENCE with UDP, and I don't think I will ever have one. I just don't know what you're talking about here. You gotta be explicit. You dealing with adults here Demba. You cannot hide behind cheap stuff like this.
(d) I contested only one election (Parliamentary) under the UDP ticket in 1997. Here is my results from that election: Pa. Saikou Kujabi UDP...3,636 Votes. By the way, this is the largest votes ever secured by the opposition in the history of that constituency, from the First Republic to Second Republic, as late as 2011.
(e) You charged "You contested on the UDP platform and the results were usual" Too ambiguous. (False). You will recall that UDP secured some seats in the Parliament in the 1997 Parliamentary elections. So it is totally misleading to publicly state that elections on UDP platform always produce the usual results.
(f) You stated " I still cheer you for standing up to what you see is not right in your party". Again, another bogus. No substance behind these deliberate misrepresentation.
(g) You reiterate " I still insist that Jammeh is your uncle and the burden of proof is on you to break the family history. I see Yoro was defending you because you all are from Foni including Jammeh".
Well, I wish you had not voluntarily assumed such a risk on you credibility. Here are the facts (the proof of burden, as you put it);
(1) My mother is Badjie and not Jammeh. She was born in Bafuloto Village in the Kombo Central District. Not Foni. I have no Jammeh married to any of my uncles. So there is no family history to be broken here. You tell me one.
(2) I am a native of Kafuta. Kafuta is in the Kombo East District of Western Division, which is now called "Coastal Region" or whatever. Not Foni. Foni is beyond Kafuata. It starts from Bulock and end at Kalagi. What happened to your geography, or at least the Map of The Gambia?
(3) Yes, Jammeh is from Kanilai which I think is in the Foni Kansala District.
(4) Yoro, on the other hand is from Sintet, which is in the Foni Kalagi District. Same Foni but no relationship.
So you see how you embarrassed yourself due to your own carelessness and arrogance. Like I said, I will stick to Dick Cheney. Thanks for letting Dr.Saine and Sir. Dawda alone. I regret that it had to take you this long to realize that the review was actually the issue here. .
Eid Mubarak.
Pa. S. Kujabi.
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From: Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: Standing Against Injustice:Review by Professor Saine
Pa Saikou,
I see you are growing wings and being pushed into the ring deeper. I recalled our exchanges during the NADD debate and certainly you were equally going for my neck and I stood my ground... thus I called you "old school" and you were bitter about that...
By the way "No love lost with Halifa" Him and I disagree on fundamental issues on approach to our political solution in Gambia. Am sure many see what I see as far as PDOIS and its leadership... The two of us have extensively exchanged views privately on this and we have agreed to disagree.
It show you I don't subscribe to blind loyalty to any leadership or party ideology. Oh before I forget what happens to you and the UDP?Love lost there too????? Certainly yours was bitter than mind because I have never been a part of PDOIS and you were vested in UDP and even contested elections on their party platform and of course the results were usual... I still cheer you for standing up to what you see is not right in your party!...
Now I don't know how much more I can make this clear... I do not hold brief for Dr. Janneh or anyone else. I simply opine on his decisions which I disagree with just like any of you are doing on the other side... Am saying Dr. Janneh's explanations true or false are good enough for me to want him around to work with all of us to dislodge Jammeh... Is it enough for you or anyone else? It is up to you to make that decision. I have made up my mind on him, directly ask him questions and I can live with his answers because he is not the central problem.
What a lot of you want is for him to disappear... and he is certainly more effective in fighting this regime than many of us... Does that make me dishonest or his adviser..? I don't really give a flip what some self righteous holier than thou people think.
I wouldn't want to explain anymore about Dr. Saine because I have no issue with his review. In fact if you go to Gainako we gave it a more suitable heading as that is the way we see it. I went further to congratulate him and LJD for the reviews on "Standing up against Injustice" and "A week in hell". I don't know what else you want!..
In regards to people calling Dr. Saine names here already one came out and admit calling Dr. Saine names. Again, I only brought in Dr. Saine to show how none of us no matter what we do can escape being called names from disingenuous people on these forums.. Thus I never equated Dr. Saine with Dr. Janneh's decision. If you want to tell us more about Dr. Janneh's decisions he made while serving Jammeh? We are all ears. Just again I won't defend the man.. he can do that for himself...
I still insist Jammeh is your uncle and the burden of proof is on you to break down the family history! I see Yero was defending you because you are all from Foni including Jammeh... so why can't he defend Jammeh???.
Good night...
Demba
On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 5:13 PM, kejau <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Thanks Pa, for your excellent reply.
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>Subject: Re: [G_L] Standing Against Injustice:Review by Professor Saine
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>Mawbeh,
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>Thanks for responding rather promptly. I still didn't get what you were trying to convey here. If anything, you have just validated all my points. Understand the substance of your write up? The text speaks for itself. You are absolutely right that you made it much easier for me or any sound minded person to read and understand exactly what you meant. To your credit, I saved a fair amount of time in reading your piece and connect the dots. In paragraph two, you urged that we should "look at Dr. Janneh's decision at a broader perspective" Sound familiar? You bet. This has always been you argument in defense of Dr. Janneh. Is that not exactly what Dr. Saine's review provided? That is certainly what I many have always done. Oh, maybe the review did not meet your standard of looking at things at "broader perspective and objectivity".
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>Are you saying unequivocally that joining AFPRC/APRC, and working for Yaya was the only bad decision Dr. Janneh made while in the cabinet. I suggest you go back and read the review. I am not obsessed with Dr. Janneh at all. He is the least of my problems. I respect him as a human being though.
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>Yes, I ignored the reference you made to Sir Dawda Jawara because, just as in the case of Dr. Saine, I did not see how the two are related, and frankly, I did not think it makes any sense to for me to spend time to walk you through that. I honestly do not know what you mean by Jawara standing by Yaya. Yes, Jawara was overthrown by Yaya and his gang of five, but as far as I know, Jawara has never sought, or accepted to work for Yaya in any capcity. Maybe you should tell me more about that.
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>In paragraph four you stated; " Dr. Saine HIMSELF a brain behind the founding of STGDP and an incredible scholar of our times was called all kinds of names on this forum for daring to stand with his friends (OJs) in the NAAD debacle". Here, you tried to hide behind the good sentiments you said about Dr. Saine, but only to turn around and say that he "himself" (Dr. Saine, the author of the review) had made the same or similar mistake when he stood up for his friends in the NAAD debacle". You also alleged that the name calling was from my camp. Do you mean the UDP camp, or my friends club. Be specific. I will very much appreciate if you can provide this forum with the references you have on record please. I am not going to address your ridiculous charge that me and my camp paraded partisan sentiment against Dr. Saine, not realizing that The Gambia is the bigger picture. My record stands out when it comes to national interest.
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>Machugo Jola, a limited autonomy doesn't mean that you are totally free from my dominion. You and I have traveled this rout many times before. You used to go for my throat when I had disagreement with some of Halifa Sillah's views. Love lost? This time around, you availed yourself to discredit anyone who makes an objective critique of Dr. Janneh's decision to go to bed with Yaya. Demba, you and I have talked about this off line, and I told you that I hold all those who chose to work for Yaya to the same standard. I have a beef with all of them. Crucify them? Certainly no. But I gonna call all of them on it.
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>I am not surprised at all that your interactions with Dr. Saine are memorable. That is who Dr. Saine is. He has affected and changed many lives for the better. I can spend a whole year on that alone. Finally, what you consistently failed to understand is that, the only issue I and undoubtedly most people in our struggle have with Dr. Janneh is, his conscious decision to join Yaya's regime. Not because he is Dr. Janneh. You have no idea how he ran his office, what advise(s) he gave Yaya in relation to media operation, misleading information to the general public, Deyda's hydara's assination and many more that only the Doctor can answer. I bet you have no clue. You just chose to be his counsel, good luck with that.
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>Wow, what a new revelation. Yaya.Jammeh is my new uncle? I am deeply disappointed that he is the only best uncle you could find for me. Hahaha. We'll pick this up another time. Please don't forget to provide us with the "partisan sentiments heaped on Dr. Saine from my camp. The world is waiting on you.
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>Bests.
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> From: Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]>
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>Subject: Re: Standing Against Injustice:Review by Professor Saine
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>Pa Saikou, Ah-nyab- Safu?
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>I wasn't going to respond to your "nice piece" to safe you the embarrassment of jumping onto my write up without either understanding the substance of it or simply responding with an emotional fixated made up mind on Dr. Janneh. Clearly you cannot look at this particular subject with an objective mind because of your obsession with the person involved.
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>I would recommend that you go back and read what I wrote and how I referenced Dr. Saine and Jawara in my write up. For the record I have personally interacted with Dr. Saine at various levels and there is no Gambian Scholar who I respect more and admire for not only his scholarly work but his down to earth humbleness. (Point one)
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>I only reference Dr. Saine to make a point that none of us can escape the petty criticism of pundits without looking at the issues from a broader or more objective view. Thus I indicated that despite all his Scholarly work and contribution as you recognized he was called all kinds of names on these forums during the NADD debate... which you were a huge part of parading partisan sentiments without recognizing that the stakes were higher than any party or individual. No where in my write up do I accused Dr. Saine of anything but only mentioned that people in fact in your camp were the ones calling him names (we can reference the records if you desire) Point two
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>Pa Saikou, I have much respect for you and I expect that you will look at any issue from both sides before making a conclusive decision that clearly shows narrow mindedness and lack of objectivity.. I have nothing to gain by being "dishonest on this issue" I simply made an observation that I think has merits and gave examples. Dr. Janneh's decision will remain controversial and I personally disagree with it as I mentioned several times...
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>My reference to Jawara and judging a man's legacy by a single incident got left out in your response because you cherry picked the issue you already made up your mind on. So I won't fault you for being self righteous and sloppy without objectivity...
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>Again, I am neither a defender nor an advocate for Dr. Janneh. The man is doing that himself and I must admit he is doing a God damn good job on focusing on what matters and engaging people who are willing to be objective.
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>Gambia's major problem at this time is not Dr. Janneh but your UNCLE Jammeh. Anything to get our eyes of that ball should not be given any attention period. I hope you open up your mind a little more....
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>On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Pa. Saikou Kujabi <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>Mawdo Demba, "Angkhaddi" misiku a-wellaani deh"
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>>You are not only mixing coconuts and oranges, you are absolutely dishonest by equating what you call "Dr. Saine's daring to stand up with his friends (the OJs) in the NAAd debacle", whatever that means, to Dr. Janneh's well calculated, personal-ambition-driven move to join a regime that has at the time, repeatedly raped democracy in our motherland, slaughtered babies on the streets of Banjul, many others died mysteriously, or disappeared, and many more. If what you alleged Dr. Saine did was in fact true, I very proudly say Kudos to him, for that was a perfect democratic process, not a dictatorship, or a blind-dumb loyalty to an individual or ideology. You will recall that Dr. Saine has, in that same time period or thereafter, called on the opposition on a couple of times to throw their fullest support behind Ousainou Darboe to lead the coalition for various reasons that he very well articulated. So there wasn't any such thing as "friends" that Dr.
Saine stood up for in the NAAD debacle. He has consistently stood up for one thing, and one thing only, a Gambia free of tyranny and oppression.
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>> Besides, there are fundamental differences between Dr. Saine and Janneh in relation to your citation, which by the way, is shrouded in hypocrisy and blind-dumb allegiance to Dr. Janneh. In Dr. Saine, one will find consistency, honesty, sincerity, content, and above all, bravery and selflessness. A front line soldier who has never been tempted by Jammeh's luxurious cabinate or diplomatic positions. With the tittle in front of his name, I am convinced that it would not take Yaya a day to figure out his capabilities and accomplishments. A click of a button would take care of that. Furthermore, even if Dr. Saine had been called many names as you alleged, you will also agree with me that those critics were not calling him names for switching sides or cross-carpeting over to AFPRC/APRC. The name callers were undoubtedly from other opposition camps who would have been honored, or in fact have expected him to endorse their choice of candidate at that
time(their respective party leaders). Unlike Dr. Janneh, Dr. Saine has never been part of the AFPRC/APRC regime, even though he has probably met Yaya before Dr. Janneh did.
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>>You will further agree with me that Dr. Saine has always been with us in every step of the way, and has never capitulated to pressure, or succumbed to greed or personal ego, to say the least. The review, if anything, has in many ways echoed the sentiments openly and honestly expressed, and debated in this and other forums, including Gainako, I think.
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>>In conclusion, I want to assure you that Dr. Saine's views on this and many other political issues surrounding The Gambia, are mostly, if not all the time, on solid grounds, such that not you or Janneh ....to borrow a line from brethren Modou Mboge " the enabler", can refute. Therefore, to suggest that Dr. Saine "made a mistake" by standing up for his friends (OJs) is just not supported by a thread of fact. On the conversely, to suggest that Dr. Janneh made a mistake by lobbying and eventually accepting Yaya's appointment does not hold an atom bit of water. He knew what he was doing ( Mens rea), sought for it and jumped (Actus reus) on it when he was provided with the opportunity. Dream come true, right?
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>>"Beh Kajjum"
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>>Pa. S. Kujabi.
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>> From: Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 12:57 PM
>>Subject: Re: Standing Against Injustice:Review by Professor Saine
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>>All,
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>>I thought Dr. Saine's review of "Standing
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