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You make a lot of sense Suntou. And contrary to the view of some, I think  
you are a decent and hardworking Gambian with Gambia at heart. Thank you for 
you  Suntou.
 
Haruna.
 
 
In a message dated 2/19/2010 4:41:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
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Modou, I will be sad to see you turn into Halifa day by day. So you  are 
not only contended with being a PDOIS member, you are also trying to  dictate 
to UDP what they should or shouldn't do. Huh
I am sure you were taught well about the UDP been a political party  that 
can handle it affairs without needing any assistance from PDOIS. If not,  
then take it from me, the UDP don't require your communist ideas at all Modou.  
In fact, your desperate attemprs are making me wonder, whether you know  
actually the meanings of things you are saying.
You are accusing us of nepotism, tribalism and so on Modou. Havent you  any 
credible argument to put forward apart from such baseless nonsense?
You know why i don't respond to such cry baby statements, because the  
moment you stoop to that level, it has proven you to be the real tribalist and  
nepotist.
I am above such cheap emotional propaganda. I know Halifa will continue  to 
tell you those things, he will as usuall blame people for all his failings. 
 Halifa is a light weight politically. He knows that better than anyone. if 
he  thinks his manouveurs online will change that, he is barking the wrong  
trees.
Please don't try too hard looking desperate, i wouldn't want to see that.  
The UDP is bigger than PDOIS 4 to 1. Try to work for PDOIS to get Halifa  
elected in Serrekunda first then you can come and suggest to us a way  
backwards.
Suntou


On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask] 
(mailto:[log in to unmask]) >  wrote:

Suntou, one more thing before I come Daffeh’s way. This  just came to me 
while scribbling in response to Sonny. Because you are  the coordinator, I saw 
your photo with Darboe during his visit to the  UK, you look good bro, 
however that still does not make put you in  major decision making position in 
the party especially with regards to  opposition unity. 
And when I wrote to Uncle Haruna the following:  "If you want to be Darboe’
s Press Secretary could you give us the UDP  position on the way forward 
instead of pouring venom on Halifa for  being bold enough to come up with 
concrete proposals?", Yanks tried to  take ownership of it. But I am not 
interested in his ranting but only  for the part he quoted Daffeh as thus: "Halifa 
Sallah and his PDOIS  Party should put their personal pride, egos and 
idealism aside and  immediately embrace a UDP led alliance without any obnoxious  
precondition whatsoever". This is where I want to tackle  Daffeh.

But before that I need your help first. I  want to  be fair to the UDP 
leadership. I know they are matured people and know  what is at stake. We are 
dealing with the future of the Gambia and I  do not want to judge the UDP by 
the words of its sycophants. Before I  write I would want you to call Darboe 
and ask him whether they have  reached the decision that the only alliance 
he Darboe and the UDP  would be a part of is one which endorses his 
candidature for the 2011  Presidential elections. 

I am still not convinced that the UDP  leadership will be calling on people 
to give it money so that it  prepares for failure. That is political 
suicide and any body who helps  them in that venture must be seen to be either 
driven by nepotism,  tribalism or opportunism. Only people who are infected 
with such  disease could reason in the irrational manner Sonny Daffeh chose to  
do. The issue that the UDP Sycophants refuse to look at is how to  bring 
about change. 

Suntou, please do this for the sake of our  country. I know you were with 
Darboe not long ago but you can talk to  him again at least one more time. 
Agreed? Good, and thank you. I will  be expecting you within the next 24 hours 
to give a reply and I will  then prove to you that it is the positions you 
take which makes Agenda  2011 the best option available so far for those who 
want  change.

That is why you are focusing on hate messages against  Halifa and not 
showing why the agenda is unworkable. I am using my  real name but you people are 
hiding to a point of using the name Kumba  Gaye to attack  me for exposing 
the bankruptcy of your  position.

Nyang        

--- On Mon, 2/15/10, suntou touray <[log in to unmask] 
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From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask] 
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Subject: Re: Let us  turn a new page
To: [log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) 

Date: Monday,  February 15, 2010, 8:50 PM  
 




 
Modou, I can see that you are desperate to  tag me with every negative 
jargon. Bring them on. What you are  failing to notice is that, the way UDP 
dominate in terms of support  on the ground, is the same right where you are. So 
hold your horse  on the negativity, it doesn't bother me. KKK, we know who 
the real  ones are. 
Suntou and his UDP fellow members are focus  on what matters, exposing the 
dubious political propaganda by Halifa  is just a small part of our work. 
Don't get affected to the level  you are willing to stoop low as some of your 
coward colleagues.  Halifa should also stop writing stuffs for you, people 
can tell the  difference. It is making me cringe, in as much as wish to see 
him do  the right thing, taking unnecessary disastrous route is something i  
don’t recommend he will do. 
Wherever Suntou is confirmed a KKK, Modou  Nayan and his friends will be 
loyal members too. 
Too cheap friend 
Suntou 

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Modou Nyang  <[log in to unmask] 
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Uncle Haruna, I got you loud and clear. You  do not want to wade into 
political mathematics and you are  not the Press Secretary of the UDP. There is 
nothing for us  to debate. I will then go back to the UK club.  

However I must tell you that I have noticed in your  writing that there is 
a generation gap between us. This is  why you cannot identify some of my 
cultural symbolism's.  Even though it is out of place for a nephew to give 
advise  to an uncle I do see the desire in you to do something  constructive for 
the Gambia. I therefore hope that you will  give up the posture which gives 
you the image of a person  who want to be on top of every body else. 

I really  could not understand what problem you have in the provisions  of 
the constitution being disseminated in a practical and  relevant way ad 
infinitum. It is our national document and  we need to know it to promote the 
rule of law. I also could  not understand why you felt that those who give 
birth to  educated children cannot understand government budgets if  explained 
in their own language. The problem of the Gambia  is not the people but 
those who claim to know but are  illiterates in our local languages. Hence they 
cannot  communicate what they have learned to the grass-roots.  

Certain kinds of information are meant for the goose  and another to the 
gander. I certainly wanted to challenge  you on your comments regarding the 
Brufut donations but now  I think I will leave you alone. However, I will not 
close my  chapter with you for the moment without expressing my  
disappointment at your comment that you did not read Agenda  2011 but used it as toilet 
paper. 

Please don’t be a  partner to Suntou’s friend whose Ku-Klux-Clan and Rush  
Limburg attitude is so full of hate and prejudice that does  not allow him 
to see good in anyone who does not bow down to  his wishes. Uncle Haruna  
Halifa and those in their  fifties belong to the last group of the  generation 
of  people who have now reached retirement age and you the  people  in your 
40s (am guessing, as you informed me  that Sam was your teacher) belong to 
the first group who  should be leading our generation. I feel ashamed that 
those  of us in our 30s could be reading such vulgar words from  people who 
should be our role models. 

You must  promise that any time you  speak again you will do so  as a 
responsible elder who aims to inspire the generation  just after you. If we 
follow the footsteps of Suntu and the  haters Gambia is in trouble for a long 
time to come. I will  now devote my time to them to prevent them from 
misleading  themselves since they can mislead no other person in the  world. There 
intolerance is already becoming apparent. Even  Jeggan is now PDOIS even 
though he is advocating for a  primary that include people who are not members of 
political  parties. What could be more democratic than that? To them it  
must be their leader or no one else. We are now beginning to  see who the real 
sycophants are.

Nyang  


--- On  Mon, 2/15/10, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask] 
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From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask] 
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Subject: Re:  Let us turn a new page
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Date:  Monday, February 15, 2010, 1:24 PM  
 




Yanks, Thanx for sharing. Although I don't know the  man, but I liken 
Daffeh to Carl Rove and James Carville.  The man is simply excellent. You would 
wish UDP/NRP had a  1000 Daffehs, Karambas, SUntous, Ansus, and Yankses.
 
Aaaaaaallleeeeeh! Haruna.

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Sent: Mon,  Feb 15, 2010 12:40 pm
Subject: Re: Let us turn a new  page




For the attention of Modou Nyang, Pa Samba Jow  (Coach), Halifa Sallah, and 
the rest of the  anti-UDP
Movement! 
I  bring to your attention this article culled from  freedomnewspaper, 
though with a slight change to its  heading! 

NADD Should  Have Done Better 

By Sonny  Daffeh, UK   
Mr  Editor,
Please  allow me space to respond to Jeggan Grey-Johnson’s article  of 9th 
February 2010 which was published in  your well established medium under the 
heading; ‘‘Agenda  2011; The Opposition Leaders Must Do the Right Thing.’’
  

While  I agree that the opposition should get it right this time  around, I 
do not however agree that Agenda 2011 is the  right basis for this. This is 
an ill-conceived theory that  was propounded by a disingenuous political 
ideologue on  the basis of two premises namely; that the NADD alliance  did 
not work because it was unable to gather significant  amount of votes in the 
2006 presidential elections, and  also that the UDP led alliance did not work 
because it had  registered a drop in votes from their 2001 electoral  
standing. While I agree with the former, I beg to differ  with the latter. That 
premise is not only flawed, it is  also fraught with the propounder's very 
own personal  prejudice against a possible UDP led alliance in  2011.
 
Although,  it is true that the UDP registered a drop in votes from  their 
2001 standing, this however cannot be attributed to  the type of alliance 
[party led alliance] they adopted in  2006. As was rightly indicated in the 
UDP- UK rejoinder of  1st February 2010, UDP’s drop in votes resulted  from two 
things; their own lack of adequate preparation  thanks to their prior m
embership of NADD, and the  unprecedented low voter turnout [58.58%] that was  
witnessed in 2006 which when compared to the 2001 voter  turn-out [89.71%], 
indicates a drop of 31.13% and this is  notwithstanding the fact that the 
national voter register  had been updated with 219,630 new voters in 2006. 
Going by  the results of 2006 presidential election, it doesn’t  appear that 
these voters had voted for a different party  rather than the UDP. They just 
didn’t vote. Otherwise, why  is it that NADD barely crossed over the 5%  
threshold?
 
Some  might argue that the low voter turn-out was a direct  result of 
opposition disunity.  While  this may be true, it does not however lend any 
credence to  Agenda 2011 as there is no evidence which suggests that  this was a 
specifically directed protest against the UDP  led alliance. Even if the 
connection between opposition  disunity and the voter turn-out is validly made 
and I am  not saying it is not, it would appear that the situation  would 
still have been the same irrespective of whatever  type of alliance any party 
might have chosen to adopt, be  it party led alliance, the so-called 
umbrella party or  indeed a grand coalition. Therefore, it is not the nature  of 
party led alliance that is the issue here but the  factors that inhibited the 
realisation of its full  potentials in 2006. That is what folks with genuine 
 interest in opposition unity want to talk about, not some  kind of 
superficial political theories that are  specifically invented to circumvent the 
rules of  conventional politics in furtherance of a particular  individual’s 
selfish agenda. A grand coalition as  spelled-out in Agenda 2011 is pretty 
much akin to the NADD  coalition - the only difference being the name - and 
would  be vitiated with the same problems that eventually led to  the 
breakdown of NADD. Hence, it is not an option. It is  just a mere but crude academic 
exercise. Therefore and  instead of asking the leaders to commit the same 
mistake  and somehow expect a different result or levelling false  
accusations against the leadership of the United  Democratic Party – accusing them of 
paying a lip service  to the call for unity -, Jeggan should have been bold  
enough to ask Halifa Sallah and his PDOIS Party to put  their personal 
pride, egos and idealism aside and  immediately embrace a UDP led alliance 
without any  obnoxious precondition whatsoever. That is the only thing  that has 
never happened before and it is about time  history is made.
 
The  UDP has proven itself over and over of being the dominant  force in 
Gambia’s opposition politics. Any future  alliance/coalition of all opposition 
parties must  therefore be built around them. This is a sacred principle  
of any democratic political dispensation and no amount of  spinning and 
hypocrisy will be allowed to circumvent it.  The earlier the fringe parties 
recognise this, the better  for our chances of forging a unified alliance of all  
opposition parties against the ruling APRC in 2011. This  is not about 
helping someone to become an elite as Halifa  would say. It is about adhering to 
the rules of  conventional politics; coalitions are usually led by the  
biggest party in the group. 
Jeggan’s  suggestion of a primary election as a mechanism for  selecting a 
candidate for a possible coalition of all  opposition parties is both 
misplaced and untenable.  Primaries are normally an internal party contest where  
individuals contest for the leadership/candidature of a  given party in a 
forthcoming general election. Coalitions  of independent sovereign political 
parties don’t contest  primaries to determine who their leader should be. 
That is  normally determined by the results of the preceding  general election. 
This is what we have seen in Israel,  Germany and Italy just to name a few. 
There is no reason  why this should not apply to the opposition in the  
Gambia.
In  2006, 127,473 electorates voted for the opposition  combined. Out of 
this, 81% voted for the UDP candidate and  19% for NADD – the so-called PDOIS 
and PPP-OJ coalition –  This exhibits a clear expressed will of the Gambian 
people  which is valid for five years – it expires only after the  2011 
presidential election – and have therefore  effectively rendered the whole idea 
of a primary utterly  obsolete as a legitimate candidate can easily be  
determined from these statistics. 
Jeggan’s  claim that PPP-OJ and PDOIS coalition [NADD] registered an  
increase of 100% in their 2006 score is really laughable.  I couldn’t stop asking 
myself whether he is in his trees.  This shows that our dear friend is 
detached from both the  facts and the political reality on the ground. PPP and  
PDOIS never contested a general election together as an  alliance prior to 
the 2006 presidential election. Hence,  there is no prior statistics that 
could be used to  determine whether they have registered an increase or a  
decrease in 2006. What is however crystal clear is that  this alliance or 
whatever they chose to call it, is not  fit for purpose for it is an extremely 
weak one. Out of  forty-eight constituencies, they had 1,000 or more votes  in 
only five constituencies. In thirty-three  constituencies, they had less 
than 1000 votes and in ten  constituencies less than 100 votes. I see no 
potential in  such a diabolical electoral performance. 
 
As  for who leads the UDP, that is a matter for the general  membership and 
if Jeggan doesn’t like the current leader,  he should join the party before 
its upcoming congress and  fight from within. Otherwise, he should, frankly 
speaking,  shut up.
 
 I  hope he will do more research next time before going to  the press.
SS  Daffeh
Essex,  UK


 
____________________________________
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 09:09:55 +0000
From: [log in to unmask] 
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Subject: Re:  Let us turn a new page
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"...The issue is in fact not so much about  the figures but the ludicrous 
claim that they  somehow indicates a manifestation of electoral shun  on the 
nature of alliances adopted by both NADD and  UDP led alliance prior to the 
2006 presidential  election i.e. party led alliance and the so-called  
umbrella party. That is absolute nonsense. Although  there may have been a degree 
of voter discontent  over opposition disunity or the incumbent’s employed  
harassment and intimidation tactics,-depending on  which side of the story 
you want to believe- there  is absolutely no evidence that the low 
voter-turnout  seen in 2006 was as a result of the types of  alliance adopted by 
either NADD or the UDP. This  defeats the whole essence of Halifa’s agenda 2011  
and that is exactly what UDP-UK rejoinder was all  about..."
 
Suntou, with your above statement I am done  with you and your other two 
guys. I will focus on  Uncle Haruna. And when I return you and your friends  
might have solved their invented puzzle of who is  chatting with them. 
 
Uncle Haruna, do not worry much  about Coach understanding your posting. I 
am with  you all the way. Just bear with me a little I will  be back.
 
 


--- On Sat, 2/13/10, Haruna  Darbo <[log in to unmask] 
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From:  Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask] 
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Subject:  Re: Let us turn a new page
To: [log in to unmask] (http://mc/compose?to=GAMBIA
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Date:  Saturday, February 13, 2010, 5:49 PM


Suntou,
 
I take your counsel into advisement. Pa Samba  is a dear friend. He and I 
will come to  understandings. It takes a little nudging and  explanation for 
him but it shall come to pass. I  am not a novice at conflict resolution.
 
Here is what I advise of you though.
 
Today, today. If Halifa for some reason went  into a trans and declared - 
Let us have a total  opposition union and let UDP/NRP lead it, wIll you  and 
UDP/NRP waste your times to join  
PDOIS??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
 
This is the question I want you and UDP/NRP  and even GMC to ponder. After 
you do, you will  throw away Agenda-2011 and focus on building your  parties 
and alliances. As I can see, both UDP/NRP  and GMC have shortcomings in 
party administration  that leave a lot to be desired. Simple tasks take  days 
or months to complete if at all. When your  leader is busy defending Femi 
Peters, the party's  entire activities stop. WHY???? If Ousainou is not  free, 
the party's executive committee need to  ensure the continued functioning of 
the party. WHY  is that? Some due-diligence does not require  money. 
Organising and visiting with your  supporters regularly as far away as Koina and  
Jimara and cultivating new supporters should be  done all the time, Ousainou 
or no Ousainou.  NADD/PDOIS has the same problem or worse. But the  time 
you partisans spend on chatter could be  better used developing your parties. 
The way I see  it, none of the parties is capable of governing  Gambia in 
this state. And if you should dream  about forming a singular union, you will 
have  multiplied the inefficiencies ten-fold.
 
So focus your time and energies on value -  building and strangthening your 
parties. We are  not interested in a United Opposition any more. At  least 
we will not depend on that idea as the means  to remove Yahya. So don't feel 
burdened to form a  united opposition on account of the people.
 
Thank you and may DaarManso continue to bless  all of you in your 
self-interests.
 
Haruna.

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Sent:  Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:05 pm
Subject: Re: Let us  turn a new page


Haruna, your comments are simple,  logical and straight forward. But the 
sad  facts is that, some people cannot even think for  themselves without 
Sallah telling them how.  Halifa's attempt to be Jack of all trade meant  that, 
he did injustice to himself and UDP/NRP  analysing absent voters and the 
synergy effect  with him being a mortal man could'nt  quantify.
Halifa should display his formula of his  cirtic of the UDP/NRP not adding 
the absent voters  to the pool. Absent voters affected all the  parties, 
including PDOIS and NDam.
Haruna, your efforts are honourable and  honest. Where you criticise me and 
my attempts, i  recognise the reasoning in them. When we send our  
rejoinder, Halifa's few fans in American made all  sorts of noise, some saying:
Halifa is under  attack, we should stop all  talks
Now who did we responded to? The wind or  Halifa? Did this people actually 
read anything  Halifa wrote?
My hunch is they don't. But when Mr  Grey-Johnson again repeated Halifa 
mistakes, i  didn't hear this people who nearly went into  coma  when we their 
patron, when Darboe  was branded power hungry etc by a misguided  bigoted 
partisan.
The two face mentality is the real reason  Halifa is continuing what he 
doing. Behind his  back his own guys are dissolution with him, among  people, 
they defend his ideas even after knowing  they don't make sense. And as for 
Pasamba, true  peace will come to pass when you are bold enough  to confront 
Halifa. But for now, it will be a  dream.
Haruna, keep writing.  
Suntou


On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Haruna Darbo  <[log in to unmask] 
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Olfactor you can't help but take a swipe at  yours truly. What is wrong 
with you men? I'll  have you know you can't have a better friend  than Haruna. 
I just got off the phone with a  friend. He tells me president Clinton is 
doing  marvelously and with our continued prayers, he  should be back up, 
straight up, to continue to  assist in Haiti and Northern Ireland. I told him  I 
have a friend in Dublin who could hold the  torch for Ireland as the 
president recovers. So  I messed up your hibernation long before you  perceived 
it. SOmeone will be looking for you  over there to lend all Ireland a hand as 
she  works through devolution. Won't you do Ireland a  good turn? Migrant 
worker or not, you still live  in Ireland. So why go into hibernation on  
account of your friend Haruna when you  could be working for Northern 
Ireland???? Learn  to not take, take, take. Learn to give, give,  give. Besides I did 
not hear where you tried to  get our mutual friend Demba out of box. I know  
your life has some value. I just gotta figure it  out for you. I still love 
you.
 
Now then Dad, you did a marvelous job in  amicus of Halifa's electoral 
arithemetic which  you inform us was the basis for Agenda 2011. You  must be 
commended for this. It is what mortal  man can expect of a partisan. I totally 
admire  your zeal and sport. I guess it is not necessary  therefore for me 
to read Agenda 2011 afterall. I  will share some notes with you and they will 
be  brief.
 
In my view, Halifa's un-intended dishonesty  does not lie in the 
arithemetic adduand. As  a philosopher and sociologist par excellence,  Halifa must 
have been taught that linear  arithemetic is not terribly valuable for  
philosophers and sociologists. That is why  linear algebra and additional math 
were  introduced in those years where sociologists and  philosophers shared 
their agonies in explaining  human conditions and considerations. Throw in  the 
philosopher and sociologist who wishes to  use politics to solve the 
landmark equations of  social engineering. Why do people vote? Why do  they vote 
the way they do?
 
Let me be the first to share with you  that the adduand exclusively should 
not be  considered in electoral arithemetic. You  cannot explain the 
distributive and associative  properties only by using addition alone,  addition 
and subtraction alone, Or addition,  subtraction, and multiplication alone. 
Electoral  arithemetic must include the use of addition,  subtraction, 
multiplication, division, the  operations of integral and derivative science  are a 
complex use of these four, and they cannot  even begin to tackle electoral 
mathematics.  Secondly, you must endeavour to include the time  value of 
elections and votes and the time value  of human considerations. That is where 
the  accountant comes to the aid of the  philosopher/sociologist/politician. 
Even  further, electoral calculus contains some  intractable variables such 
as personal  considerations of the voter that are a function  of his/her 
state of mind at the time of voting.  What you must not do under any 
circumstance, is  to extrapolate or compare votes of different  periods or periodic 
elections. Your quandry is  not complete even after you satisfy the  
foregoing. There comes the matter of  vote-buying, vote-selling which Halifa himself 
 was at pains to convince us happens during the  elections in Gambia. Well 
throw in the mix of  the Gambian voter's problems of Yahya's  intimidations, 
electoral riggings, and ballot  stuffings, why you have just thoroughly  
discombabulated yourself.
 
In essence, the dishonesty displayed by  Halifa, though unintended, is a 
result of using  a dishonest formula. Now when you skew that  formula to 
portray another opposition party as  incapable to win future elections, you 
burden  straightforward dishonest calculus with odious  bias. If the premise 
therefore of AGENDA 2011 is  the result of such arithemetic, well you know  the 
rest of the story.
 
Therefore, I urge Halifa to apologise to  the readers of Agenda 2011 and 
all other  opposition parties, and when we work on a  roadmap, to cease 
redefining past elections in  Gambia. Past election results in Gambia will not  
afford any valuable or meaningful discernment  for any opposition party. And 
Foroyaa, based on  such arithemetic wishes opposition parties to go  back to 
the drawing board. For what????????? We  are all unduly mesmerized by the 
sanctity of a  total opposition union. I advise sobriety and  caution against 
disingenuity and pretense.
 
I commend you nonetheless for efforting  amicus of Agenda 2011 and Halifa.
 
Olfactor, any minute now you'll hear a  knock on your door. Nobody 
hibernates in Ireland  anymore. She invests enormous amounts to market  herself as a 
lively tourist destination. You  should help her in that regard. I love you 
 all.
 
Haruna.




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Nyang,
 
Keep up the good work, however dealing  with grouchy  characters is 
difficult, for  reason and reality is not their forte. Let  me go back to my 
hibernation as our grouch  par excellence here  has snorted at people who have 
decided to ignore  his incessant and vapid rambling. I do not  want to be 
splattered by his grotty stuff,  so hibernation here we come.  
 
Nyang once again keep the fire burning and  keep helping me out of my 
hibernation with  your good work.  Thanks for a very well  written piece.  
 
Best,
 
Mboge


On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Modou  Nyang <[log in to unmask] 
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wrote:

Suntu, 
 

How Many times am I to prove that you do  not do your homework well? I can 
see that you  are trying to get allies from all those People  with hate 
messages. This is weakening your  course. Such hate messages cannot isolate any  
one.. We have seen those types of people here in  the US during Obama’s 
campaign. They cannot  explain why they hate him. 
 
Consequently their hate messages worked out  very well for Obama. Here too 
you are giving  Halifa more publicity than he has asked for. The  worse 
thing that you did to your self is to  raise issues which led to the challenge 
for  Halifa to explain the role he played in NADD. I  am still waiting to 
read part 3 so that things  will be clearer since your camp is still trying  to 
distort the truth even though no NADD leader  had come out in public to do 
so.
 
Your last hope to discredit Halifa is your  claim that he distorted the 
result of the 2001  Presidential elections just to prove that the  UDP lost 
more votes than it really did, when  compared to 2006 so that its leadership 
would be  discredited. In my reaction to your rejoinder I  decided to skip the 
issue of the exact number of  votes your party the UDP had in the 2001  
election in order to do a proper research on it.  I have now scanned the 
results of the 2001  Presidential elections with the signature of the  then 
Chairman of the Independent Electoral  Commission Gabriel Roberts.
 
However, before going into your distortion  of the results I would want to 
help one of your  friends to understand what I meant when I said  Darboe was 
not brave enough to tell his  colleagues what he wanted and stuck by it 
before  they ventured to form NADD. He misunderstood me  completely and strayed 
into accusing Halifa of  promoting that a brave person should be selected  
to lead an opposition alliance. My position is  that if Darboe is strongly 
convinced that he  should lead and others should follow. He should  simply 
declare that for all to understand and  then proceed to sell his agenda to the 
people.  Whoever wants to join him would do so and those  who would not 
want to join him would go on with  their own programmes. Since UDP is not ready 
to  compromise on leadership it should make that  clear and stand by that 
decision and should not  join any arrangement where leadership would have  to 
be negotiated with other stakeholders. 
 
let me now deal with the results of the  2001 Presidential elections. 
Halifa made it  clear in his Agenda 2011 that UDP had 149448  votes in 2001 while 
NRP had 35,671 votes. Please  read the Agenda again. You will get the real  
figures rather than approximations. If you want  a copy of the Agenda i 
will mail it to you  electronically. 
 
Halifa indicated that the two parties  formed an alliance in 2006 along 
with GPDP and  had votes numbering 104,808 votes..Halifa  concluded that 
compared to the 2001 figures the  two parties lost 80,301 votes. Where then has  
Halifa gone wrong?
 
Could you not do simple addition and  subtraction? Add 149,448 votes to 
35,67. You  should get 185,119 votes. Subtract 104,808 from  185,119. What is 
your answer? Is it not 80,301  votes. Halifa is dead correct and you the  
members of the UDP camp in the UK are dead  wrong.
 
I have investigated and got the results a  long time ago. I wanted to check 
whether you  have leaders who would guide you to know the  truth. The fact 
that you are still persisting in  claiming that Halifa’s figures are wrong 
has  forced me to request for a scanned declaration  of results signed by The 
Chairman of the IEC and  I hope you will now apologise to Halifa for your  
misleading statements. I am surprised by the  fact that you are still 
clinging to the view  that Halifa quoted wrong figures even though  your leaders 
in Banjul should be able to tell  you the truth instead of leaving you to  
humiliate yourselves before world public  opinion. I have decided to share the 
copy of the  declarations of the 2001 election results with  the online 
media for all to see for them selves  since I cannot directly place it here 
unless as  an attachment. 
 
Furthermore Suntou, you claim that it is  the UDP who enabled Halifa to win 
his Serrekunda  Central Seat. Let us look at the results of the  elections 
in Serrekunda since the UDP was put up  by the three major parties of the 
first  Republic, that is, the PPP, the NCP and the  GPP.
 
In 1997, the UDP campaigned against Halifa  Sallah in Serrekunda East and 
put up a major PPP  supporter, Bakary Manneh, as their candidate in  order to 
exploit OJ’s popularity as the MP at  the time of the coup. The results 
were as  follows Halifa had 8, 529 votes, The UDP had 8,  067votes and the APRC 
had 9, 575votes. Contrary  to your position that the UDP put up a candidate 
 against Halifa in the 2007 National Assembly  elections to humble him 
while it left Sidia  Jatta’s seat uncontested since he was a humble  PDOIS 
leader, Halifa did not stand as a  Presidential Candidate in 1996. It is Sidia  
Jatta who stood as a candidate against the UDP.  And in the 1997 National 
Assembly elections, the  UDP also put up a prominent NCP supporter in  Wuli 
against Sidia Jatta. Alhamdu Conteh who  stood as The UDP candidate had 1,098, 
Mamadi  Karlo Jabai of the APRC had 4, 641 and Sidia  Jatta of PDOIS had 5, 
499. Sidia won despite  UDP"s attempt to contest the seat.
 
In the 2002 National Assembly elections,  the UDP boycotted the elections 
and called on  all its members to stay away from the polls. In  Serre Kunda 
Central, Halifa had 5, 563 votes as  a PDOIS Candidate while the APRC 
candidate had  5, 143 votes. Halifa won.
 
In the 2005 by election in Serre Kunda  Central, Halifa had 5, 911 votes as 
a candidate  of the alliance while the APRC had 3, 984 votes.  Ther 
alliance added only 348 votes to the 2002  votes Halifa had as a PDOIS candidate. 
As a NADD  candidate Halifa had 4, 302 in the 2007 National  Assembly 
elections, UDP had 1, 548. and the APRC  had 6, 386.
 
It should be clear that Sidia and Halifa  both won their seats as PDOIS 
candidates  irrespective of the UDP. UDP made a big mistake  in contesting the 
Serrekunda central seat. It  did not spoil anything for Halifa. It spoilt 
its  own name. Many young people started to describe  it as a party that pours 
the sand in the  porridge if it is not invited to share in the  eating. UDP 
UK is also doing more harm to the  UDP. I will take up this issue later.
 
Suntu you concluded that: "The UDP U.K  knows very well, Halifa's students 
will come  trying to defend the indefensible. They will  again continue to 
twist the facts and try to  blame others for Halifa's inability to convince  
Gambian voters. What the UDP propose which is  respectfully talked by 
sincere Gambians, Halifa  don't want to pay attention to that. What he  want is to 
talk directly to Gambians, the civil  society, the NGO's etc and then 
create a cadre  of people who will later chose him as their  saviour."
 
This is your allegation. This is your fear.  You do fear that Halifa could 
convince the  Gambian voters. Your objective therefore is to  prevent this 
through premeditated character  assassination. You claim that I am trying to  
distort facts. What facts are we trying to  distort? If Halifa cannot 
convince the Gambian  people then why is he your headache. Halifa is  not Darboes 
problem and Darboe is not Halifa’s  problem. The problem of the Gambian 
people  should be our problem .Allow me to quote what  Halifa said recently.  
 
"Interestingly enough, in 2001 the APRC  candidate had 242, 302 votes when 
it forged no  alliance with the NCP. At that time there were  501, 304 
registered voters. Suffice it to say,  even though the number of voters increased 
by  169, 032, by 2006 the votes of the APRC could  only increase by 22,102 
votes. The UDP candidate  had 149,448 votes in 2001. Even though it  
developed alliance with NRP, which had 35,671  votes in 2001, its votes went down 
104,808 votes  in the 2006 elections, despite the increase in  the number of 
registered voters by 169, 032  voters."
 

"Foroyaa: What is your advise?"

"It is therefore necessary for political  leaders to go back to the drawing 
board and map  out a new way forward. How is the opposition to  attract the 
542,055 voters who did not vote for  them is the subject at hand. This is 
what Agenda  2011 is all about. Even though I am not  excluding acceptance of 
candidature, I have  already declared that the best option is to  select a 
neutral candidate who will be able to  run a non partisan transitional 
cabinet for a  period of 2 to 5 years and then step aside after  a genuine multi 
party contest. It is left to  Gambians to decide whether they have a better  
way forward."
 
Please ask Darboe to state his proposal for  a way forward so that we know 
what the UDP want  for the Nation. That is better than endless  bickering by 
the spokesperson of the party in  the UK .
 




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From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask] 
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Subject:  Re: Let us turn a new page
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Date:  Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 4:12 PM  
 




Bailo, good to know your ears are wide  open. I thought you understood the 
famous  English saying "one man's meat is another man's  poison". What you 
believe to be crap from Suntou  is a gem to some and vice verse.
I have always been a fan of  politics Bailo, however it  doesn't dominate 
my life. I reveal here  last year that, i was reading and consulting  with 
some Gambian opposition parties. trying to  know certain aspects of their 
politics and also  to maintain how i can relate to them. 
It was after this period, i decided the  best option out there is the 
United Democratic  Party. Hence my joining their ranks.
I appreciate your boldness in stating on  several occasion that a party led 
coalition is  the solution. Not every PDOIS member wish to  accept this 
fact, but in life we have to accept  and politely disagree.
The situation for us all are very similar.  Our central concern is to see 
that a  government comes to power that will respect the  rule of law and 
adheres to good governance. And  also a government that will abide by term 
limits  and allow for diaspora Gambians to come home  anytime and stand for 
election without any  restriction like it it is now.
UDP/NRP all agrees with this principles and  also PDOIS. Therefore the 
deliberate error some  people are throwing about saying that, Ousainou  will not 
abide by term limits is the biggest  nonsense.
Ousainou is selected by the UDP  at there annual party congress to lead the 
 party, yet Jeggan is complaining that Ousainou  didn't hand over to 
someone. Who is the new  expert to lecture the UDP on how to select a  party 
leader?
Let Halifa hand over the leadership of  PDOIS to Sam Sarr before he too 
passes the  required age. After all, the American system  seems to be if you 
cannot get the presidency,  you pass it on. Let Sam step up. Jeggan can  
lecture his PDOIS members but not us.
The annoying thing in all this exchanges is  that, those who cry baby when 
we reacted  are all in hibernation, this world.
No wonder truth is relative. Bee kaa foo  ila bori leya, tiw tiw ( each 
person  shout for your runner). Things are moving,  albeit slowly. But progress 
is been made.  Ajarama, and Ibalen jam. Ya Allah dandu meen  foof kata e 
katato. Ameen.
Suntou


On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:56 PM, bailo  jallow <[log in to unmask] 
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wrote:

Suntou,

I heard you loud  and clear. But we gotta move on and not get  stuck to the 
past.

As for the NIA, they  are everywhere in the Gambia. Recently a young  man 
was pulled out of a public bus at Denton  bridge and merciless beaten to a 
vegetative  state by our so-called security forces. His  crime? The bus in 
which he was travelling was  like all vehicles on the road at the time  ordered 
off the road because the Presidential  motorcade was expected along it. The 
wait was  apparently long and this young man made the  mistake of telling 
someone he was was speaking  with on his mobile that they were waiting for  
the for the convoy of our stupid president  to pass. An NIA informant 
overheard his  indiscretion and decided to teach him a lesson.  When the bus 
reached Denton Bridge; the  informant ordered the driver of the bus to halt  the 
bus, the young chap was pulled out and his  alleged  crime reported to the 
security forces.  Their immediate reaction was to beat him to a  vegetative 
state for his indiscretionary words  against the President. 

It is therefore  ordinary private citizens who are paying a  higher price 
under the status quo than public  personalities like Ousainou, Halifa, OJ, 
Seedia  and the rest, the immense sacrifice of the  latter category  
nothwithstanding.

Honestly, I am not a  strong moslem as you. Evidence suggests that are  not 
a taleban otherwise the only technology you  would approved of is the 
killing machines. I  guess you own a tv and even a computer. As such  If you were 
a taleban, your fellow talebans  would have been seeking to publicly flog 
for  your deviation. So you cannot be a taleban!  Though I must confess that 
sometimes I tend to  mis-consider you as one very angry ayatollah who  
considers so-called PDOIS fanatics like myself  as supporters of the great Satan. 
I sincerely  hope that is not so. Remember, you cautioned us  sometimes ago 
that politicians are not to be  trusted. Your transformation into one 
within  this short space of time is amazing. Who and  what is primary motivation? 
I suppose Halifa is  not the one. 

Anyway, keep up the good  work for your party and the Gambia in general  
and please leave the crap out. I concur that you  reserve the right  
to.........................


Best  wishes

Bailo



--- On  Sun, 7/2/10, suntou touray <[log in to unmask] 
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From:  suntou touray <[log in to unmask] 
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Subject:  Re: Let us turn a new page  

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Date:  Sunday, 7 February, 2010, 12:10  
 




Bailo, your spin was well intention albeit  your inability to accept the 
facts of your  Messiah's calamity. He cannot hide neither  run  away from his 
mistakes. We are all  willing to move on and try to talk as brothers.  But 
what we cannot leave alone the continuous  blame game Halifa attributed to 
others leaving  his own saintly person out.
Politics is not a career for saints  Bailo, the sooner Halifa recognises 
that the  better. And the gang mentality his supporters  manifest is a turn of 
for even his supporters,  ganging up against those who speak about his  
politics will only cause Halifa less  cloud.
I also notice that, some of his guys start  calling me Taliban, extremist 
and what have you.  If they are willing to stoop so low in  their 
misunderstanding of politics, my body  feel for them. 
Bailo, you are strong a muslims  brother who actively partake in islamic 
actvist,  those that make you a Taliban? I know some of  your Islamic 
commitments, but I also accept  that, as Muslims, we should be interested in  
politics, science, literature, acceptable art,  philosophy, just anything we can 
enhance our  minds with.
But alas, the gossip that Suntou is  intolerant pumped up by the PDOIS boys 
has  reached me a long time. Some of this liers are  even in cahoot with 
the Foroyaa establishment  providing them with equipment and the  like.
My Islam allows me the privilege to be an  enterprising citizen wherever I 
live. I am a  Muslim by choice and will practise Islam to the  best of my 
ability and will put across the  little I know God-Willing. I respect the  
laws of the land i reside in. But If my  comments on Halifa incense some to the 
extent  that, they are willing to vilify and attribute  nonsensical tags to 
me, then I am  vindicated.
 
Let us see how things pan out, we standby  our findings and whenever it 
becomes necessary,  we shall respond to all false analogies on UDP.  For those 
who wish to be taken seriously  including you Bailo, distant yourself from  
errors, no matter who commits them, only then  people will accept your 
subsequent cries.
 Modou's abysmal response require no  countering from us. he place Halifa 
in even more  serious doubts hence putting across Halifa's  line. He is the 
brave soldier and others not.  The facts speaks different. Ousainou's office 
is  man regularly by NIA agents, doing all they can  to deter him from 
actively politics. His clients  harassed, his associated harassed, yet the  
foroyaa guys go about their business selling  papers and earning yet claiming to 
be  sacrificing more than others. It make me laugh  mate.
Suntou


On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 2:01 PM, bailo  jallow <[log in to unmask] 
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Comrade Modou,

Your  clarification efforts are highly appreciated.  Let us now move on and 
chart a new course  towards helping bring about unity within the  
opposition movement. In our unity is our  strength. However, I strongly believe that 
the  general opposition movement would again fail to  realise our common 
goal of achieving a new  Gambia for all if we continue to rely on already  
tried and tested counterproductive strategies of  destructive criticism aimed at 
promoting one's  candidate while vigorously attempting to tarnish  that of 
another's. Some may argue that come on,  this is merely politics at play. I 
personally  consider such tactics as a smear campaign.  Anyone on the 
frontline of our national politics  conscientiously opposing the retrogessive  
policies and actions of the unjust APRC regime  deserve nothing but support and 
encouragement  from everyone craving and campaigning for  positive changes 
in the Gambia. Ousainou Darboe,  Halifa Sallah, Femi Peters, Seedia Jatta, 
Mai  Fatty and many others like them therefore only  deserve our genuine 
respect and good advice. I  had concluded long time ago that under the  current 
poliitcal dispensation in in our beloved  country the easiest and most 
convenient resort  for any person seeking only their own personal  interest would 
be to join the APRC Party.  

Our primary objective should be towards  ensuring that the leaderships of 
the UDP-led  Alliance and the remnants of NADD coalition  would both sooner 
rather later pursue a strategy  of meaningful co-operation with one another  
towards achieving an over-due united front  against the incompetent and 
callous APRC regime.  That way, the doubters would have been  confounded and 
hope lost by the silent majority  of Gambians would be restored.

Let  confidence building measures between all sides  of the opposition be 
pursued in earnest from now  on as time is precious sliding away.  

Please try to help get your dear uncle  bailed out after being found guilty 
and  sentenced yesterday for making a wrongful  attribution to our dear 
colleague, Halifa.  Coincidentally, the amount payable which is any,  should be 
envoyed to him in jail for the benefit  of good Gambian causes he has been 
diligently  campaigning for.

Finally I wish to  commend organisations such as the STGDP and GDP  who 
have been focussing on just that. Let us not  be daunted nor depair; ultimate 
victory is  assured for the cause of any struggle for  justice, freedom and 
respect for human  dignity.

Let us turn a new constructive  page. Let all good works go on.  Amen!

Bailo



--- On Sat,  6/2/10, Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask] 
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From:  Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask] 
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Subject:  Re: Foroyaa News : HALIFA SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER  THE APRC TOUR
To: [log in to unmask] 
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Date:  Saturday, 6 February, 2010, 3:50

    
Bailo,
 
Uncle Haruna understands Halifa very well.  This is why he prefers to rely 
on the issue of  credibility and not the election statistics  which Halifa 
relied on to draw his conclusion.  My uncle is among those who say that 
politics is  about numbers. In fact the other camp rely on  this so much that 
they refer to some parties as  fringe parties. They know what Halifa is talking 
 about but like the proverbial ostrich they  prefer to bury their head in 
the sand. 
 
You see, some of these people do not care  whether there is change or not. 
What they are  interested in is the change they want. If they  cannot get it 
they prefer to join Jammeh. They  should not fool the rest of us. Where is 
Waa who  used to criticize Halifa. He accepted the post  of a governor while 
Halifa rejected the post of  a Minister. This is the difference between him 
 and his critics. He wants genuine change for the  long suffering Gambian 
people. 
 
Halifa has made it quite clear that the  lowest common multiple in politics 
is numbers  and concluded that the numbers which rejected  both opposition 
and ruling party are so  overwhelming that none could be considered  
credible if that is the yardstick of measuring  credibility. He therefore concluded 
that those  who want change should go back to the drawing  board. He 
offered a proposal and called on  others with better proposals to offer their own. 
 Where is the bickering? All honest Gambians have  seen the light and 
cannot be deceived any more.  They know who is power hungry and those who want  
to empower the people.
 
Nyang
 


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From:  bailo jallow <[log in to unmask] 
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Subject:  Re: Foroyaa News : HALIFA SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER  THE APRC TOUR
To: [log in to unmask] 
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Date:  Friday, February 5, 2010, 6:41 AM

   Please note that  perspective does not  always represent reality is what 
I  intended to express in  my previous  contribution.

Bailo


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From:  bailo jallow <[log in to unmask] 
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Subject:  Re: Foroyaa News : HALIFA SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER  THE APRC TOUR
To: [log in to unmask] 
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Date:  Friday, 5 February, 2010, 11:22

   Please note that  perspective does not  always represent reality is I  
intended to express in  my previous  contribution.

Bailo

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From:  bailo jallow <[log in to unmask] 
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Subject:  Re: Foroyaa News : HALIFA SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER  THE APRC TOUR
To: [log in to unmask] 
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Date:  Friday, 5 February, 2010, 11:12

    
Haruna tendered  "So here Evian you will notice that my notes  were in 
response to your notes and I encourage  you to read your notes where you 
re-presented  what Halifa said." 

This is how I  represented Halifa's statement: "You seem to be  in denial 
but that is sadly the truth. The APRC  is far from credible and from the 
perspective of  the potential electorate, neither exists a more  credible 
alternative. Otherwise, the opposition  would have won last time."

Please note  that perspective does always represent  reality.

The truth isI did not   misrepresent Halifa; you did. Instead of  
acknowledging your error, you are trying  to shift it elsewhere. That's absolute  
dishonesty!

Bailo

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From:  Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask] 
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Subject:  Re: Foroyaa News : HALIFA SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER  THE APRC TOUR
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Date:  Friday, 5 February, 2010, 0:55

What  i will do Evian is to leave my comments close to  yours and Halifa's 
in order that the proximity  may yield further comprehension where cacophany 
 meddles.


[-----Original  Message-----  From: bailo jallow [log in to unmask]   
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Sent:  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:20 pm Subject: Re: Foroyaa  News : HALIFA SALLAH 
COMMENTS AFTER THE APRC  TOUR
    
 
 
Sheikh Haruna, The following is exactly  what Comrade Halifa was reported 
to have stated  (emphasis mine):

“Some  supporters of the APRC said that the opposition  parties in the 
Gambia are not credible. They  should also add that the ruling party is not  
credible. Their assessment of Gambian politics  as it stands would then be 
correct and  balanced."

And this  is how you interpreted it:

"As to which party  official speaks for the other parties, Halifa  shared 
with us that there is no credible  opposition or ruling party. What he should 
have  said was that his party PDOIS was not credible.  Then he would have 
been speaking for himself  because he is more intimately aware of PDOIS'  
credibility. i think he was echoing  Waa's assertions that there is no credible 
 opposition. The problem is instead of focusing  on his party's 
credibility, he attempted to  match Waa's cluelessness. In so doing he  admitted Waa 
may be  right."


 

So here Evian you will notice that my  notes were in response to your notes 
and I  encourage you to read your notes where you  re-presented what Halifa 
said. Then come back  here and read the entire quote as it appeared in  the 
Foroyaa note, undoctored by you. What you  will conclude is that even given 
your sophomoric  representation, my comment (Not interpretation)  here does 
capture the cluelessness of PDOISards  fantastically. You see the APRC 
supporters are  smart people compared to Halifa. They are not  interested in sel
ling the demerits of the ruling  party because that is who they support. Now 
 Halifa advising them to ALSO say that there is  no CREDIBLE RULING PARTY, 
in addition to There  is no CREDIBLE OPPOSITION PARTY, and that they  will 
have been both CORRECT and BALANCED is  where he put his foot in his mouth. 
Implicitly,  Halifa agrees with their supposition that there  is no CREDIBLE 
opposition party as CORRECT.  Because there is more than PDOIS in the  
opposition parties, Halifa is thereby speaking  for other parties. That is the 
reason I shared  the advice about when in court and accused of  theft, your 
defense ought not be that not only  are you a thief in agreement with your 
accuser,  your accuser is also a thief. The grander  picture Bailo is when you 
consider you are an  independent voter. And you hear Halifa utter  such. How 
does it make you feel about him and  his incredulous party PDOIS. Forget 
NADD at this  time for there is really nothing in NADD besides  PDOIS. Please 
let me know if this is still not  clear to you.
 
[So now let us focus on separating the  chaff from the grain: Halifa 
reported that "some  supporters of the APRC said that the opposition  parties in 
the Gambia are not credible."  This is factual. It is APRC supporters  like 
Waa Juwara as you conceded who are claiming  the above; it is not Halifa as 
you wrongly  asserted. Halifa is merely a messenger who  conveyed the 
message. What Halifa opined in  response is "They  should also add that the ruling 
party is not  credible. Their assessment of Gambian politics  as it stands 
would then be correct and  balanced."] Evian.

 

Inutile.

[I hope you would therefore accordingly  revise your interpretation of 
Halifa's statement  to reflect the reality of what he expressed.]  Evian.
 
I was not interpreting anything. I was  translating. And there is no 
further revision  necessary.

[You aso wrote: 
"I would encourage  you to read Halifa's quotation again because I  think 
you misunderstood it. Not that it makes  any significant difference whether 
you  understood it or not. It just throws your  analysis of that part off 
quilter a bit. That is  the bit about "Not excluding acceptance of  
candidature". There Halifa is speaking of  himself and not the candidature of other. 
Share  with us your renewed understanding."] Evian  regurgitating what Haruna 
shared.

[As you  encouraged, I referred again to the relevant  statement of Halifa 
as follows (emphasis  mine):
"Even though I am not  excluding acceptance of candidature, I  have already 
declared that the best option is to  select a neutral candidate who will be 
able to  run a non partisan transitional cabinet for a  period of 2 to 5 
years and then step aside after  a genuine multiparty contest. It is left to  
Gambians to decide whether they have a better  way forward."] Evian 
repeating. 

[My  understanding of the statement remains the same  even though I admit 
that Halifa did not qualify  whose candidature he meant.] Evian.
 
Halifa did not need to qualify whose  candidature he spoke of. The English 
is sound  and very good. If it were you or Mams I would  have asked for 
further clarification.
 
[He did not indicated either "my" or "any"  to give us precision of 
reference to  candidature.] Evian.
 
Bailo, the MY is implicit. That happens all  the time in conversations in 
English. Just for  fun, let us replace MY with ANY just  before candidature. 
That would not have been the  best sentence structure but it still tells you 
 Halifa is speaking of himself. This is  because MY is the ownership litmus 
 but ANY goes to the quality of the  candidature and not domain. Hey Allah, 
I hope  you understand me. So let's extend the semantic  game further; Let 
us say Halifa meant Ousainou,  OJ, Hamat, or Waa's candidature, and insert 
any  of these names just before candidature. Now you  will agree with me that 
Halifa does not have the  purview of accepting other's candidature. Do you  
agree? If you don't just ask yourself where is  the authority for Halifa to 
ACCEPT a  dog-catcher's candidature????? He can ascend to  their 
candidatures when they accept accept it  themselves and the way he does that is by 
voting  his desire or ascension. These are some of the  games Shaky Shaky plays 
with English in order to  improve himself. Please let me know if you need  
further ideas on these and others.
 
[In essence, he might have been referring  to his own candidature or 
someone else's.]  Evian.
 
Unless he is retarded, he could not have  been referring to any other's 
candidature.
 
[It is for him to help clarify.]  Evian.
 
I don't need Halifa to clarify and I am  certain most of our coleagues 
don't need any  further clarification of the statement. Let us  save Halifa the 
mental gymnastics where he could  try to manufacture extraneous meaning. 
That will  be a bigger problem for the man.
 
[Whatever he meant, I know that either  interpretations are possible.] 
Evian.
 
You do the tests and convince yourself  either way. It is easy. You can do 
it  Bailo.

[In conclusion, I think you have mistakenly  fallen for that proverbial 
saying of comparing  apples and oranges in the following statement of  yours: 
"Halifa endorsing Ousainou's candidature  will be equal to you or me 
endorsing Ousainou's  candidature or Halifa's candidature at this  point in time. 
There is not much basis for  that."] Evian repeating what Haruna  shared.

[In order words, you have  over-rated yourself and me at to be at par with  
Halifa;] Evian.
 
No. I am not at par with Halifa. Just ask  him. We are of different mettle 
and polarly  opposite ambition.
 
[the latter is a political known and both  you and me are virtual political 
unknowns.]  Evian.
 
Well. Do you want to be a political known  Bailo????? I can make your arse 
famous in a  jiffy. You might not like what you become famous  for though. 
Political known. I have not heard  such cacamayme since Moussa Camara shared  
Mbaranbirinbiring with me in 1982 in  Kuntaur.
 
[Therein lies the difference between us  Halifa's endorsement of any 
candidature.]  Evian.
 
I see.
 
[Cheers] Evian.
 
Cheers to you too. And don't try to be cute  with your Grand Pa again. If 
you know what is  good for you, you'll turn in your PDOIS  armband.
 
I still love you though.
Haruna.

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From:  Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:  Foroyaa News : HALIFA SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER THE  APRC TOUR
To: [log in to unmask]
Date:  Thursday, 4 February, 2010, 0:41

   Foroyaa News : HALIFA  SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER THE APRC TOUR, NO CREDIBLE  
RULING PARTY NO CREDIBLE OPPOSITION A NEW WAY  FORWARD NEEDED 

After the completion  of the APRC tour, Foroyaa approached Halifa  Sallah 
for comments.
This is what he  said:

“Political leaders should  tell their supporters the truth. A political  
vacuum exists in the Gambia. Some supporters of  the APRC said that the 
opposition parties in the  Gambia are not credible. They should also add  that the 
ruling party is not credible. Their  assessment of Gambian politics as it 
stands  would then be correct and balanced. Some leaders  who do not want to 
be honest to their supporters  are trying to give the impression that the  
statistics I have been putting out are over  statements. They are not telling 
their  supporters the truth. Political leaders should  tell the truth. For 
only the truth shall set us  free. I have relied on empirical evidence to  
conclude that at this very moment we do not have  a credible ruling party or 
opposition party. We  have a duty to create both. Those who are  offended by 
this statement are not prepared to  do what is necessary to save Gambian 
politics  from being an exercise in  mediocrity.

After the presidential  elections in 2006, I wrote a pamphlet in which I  
quoted the statistics to confirm my assertion.  Gambians have to be reminded 
these statistics to  awaken each from our political apathy.  

According to the IEC, 670, 336 voters  were registered prior to the 2006 
presidential  elections. When the results were delivered the  IEC indicated 
that the APRC candidate who was  also supported by the NCP had 264,404 votes. 
If  this is subtracted from the total number of  registered voters it would 
mean that 405,932  voters did not vote for the APRC candidate. The  UDP 
candidate who was also supported by NRP and  GPDP had 104,808 votes, while the 
NADD candidate  had 23,473 votes. The total votes of the  opposition amounted 
to 128,281 votes. If this is  subtracted from the total number of 
registered  voters it would be apparent that 542,055 voters  did not vote for the 
opposition. Wherein lies  the credibility of the ruling party and the  
opposition party if politics is reduced to its  lowest common denominator as contest 
based on  the number of votes. 

Interestingly  enough, in 2001 the APRC candidate had 242,302  votes when 
it forged no alliance with the NCP.  At that time there were 501,304 
registered  voters. Suffice it to say, even though the  number of voters increased 
by 169032, by 2006  the votes of the APRC could only increase by  22,102 
votes. The UDP candidate had 149,448  votes in 2001. Even though it developed 
alliance  with NRP, which had 35,671 votes in 2001, its  votes went down 
104,808 votes in the 2006  elections, despite the increase in the number of  
registered voters by 169032 voters.

Foroyaa: What is your  advise?

It is therefore necessary  for political leaders to go back to the drawing  
board and map out a new way forward. How is the  opposition to attract the 
542,055 voters who did  not vote for them is the subject at hand. This  is 
what Agenda 2011 is all about. Even though I  am not excluding acceptance of 
candidature, I  have already declared that the best option is to  select a 
neutral candidate who will be able to  run a non partisan transitional 
cabinet for a  period of 2 to 5 years and then step aside after  a genuine 
multiparty contest. It is left to  Gambians to decide whether they have a better  
way forward. 



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