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Thank
you very much Lamin Darbo for the clarification on the side of the poem which I misinterpret on the other hand, that is were a poem is different from writing book. In addition, your willingness to spare your time and effort are well
appreciated even thus am not letting you go if you still allowed me and anyone can chip in with decency because this subject is grater than you and I. Is about a country and without (my way or the high way) attitude we will come to a productive conclusions.


Now notwithstanding to what had been said, I fully agree with your
worries regarding Dr. Janneh in particular and I had since stated it here. What
I am not understanding here is, why  shouldn’t he not rejoin the struggle to amend his mistakes?  What
will you preferred The Dr to do at this juncture? To excused himself out of the
struggle? I think he had lots of well wisher too.


You wrote; I recognise that
"greed and indifference" can be powerful drivers of human conduct,
but because all of sound mind can differentiate between right and wrong,
"conscience" is far superior to "greed and
indifference". 
 
The problem I have here is the fact that wrong and right
depends on where one is looking. Some things or action can be taken by you as
greed or indifference while to others is an opportunity and in reciprocal too.
For example; if somebody gives you a million today, will you asked him/her were
the money is from in honesty?
 
However, if you asked and lose the opportunity, people will
take you as a loser and if you don’t asked and take the money, you are greedy. That is the kind of world we are living in. 
 
Haven’t you ever represented in honesty, someone whom your
conscience knew he was wrong yet you represented? Or let’s put it this way if a
rich person came to you with large amount of money anyone can ever pay you to
defend him on a crime he did, will you turn him away been a criminal defense
lawyer?
 
Again you wrote;you appreciate the hollowness of Dr Janneh's
"Standing Up Against Injustice"..Yes I do because my policy is the fact that human-being will never be perfect
and try to give second chance to people to prove their worth. And Dr. Janneh
didn’t let me down so far. 
 
He knew the injustice was fully formed
and irreversible when he dined at the high councils of intolerance in 2004. How will he knew it will be irreversible? “Maybe”,
I said maybe, he thinks it can be reversible if he dine in thus I am not in his
mind and cannot be so sure of his motives. 


However, whereby countries are
seeing horrendous act taking place in every corner of the globe yet harboring
it for their own selfish national interest yet when the government is changed,
the same country will sign bilateral agreement with does who support those
horrendous act. 
 
About whether or not you can
"use" conscience, this is deeply esoteric territory, and I appreciate
you are a philosophical person. What I am meaning to say is that unlike your reading
glasses, you do not pick up "conscience" and use it.  Instead,
"conscience" self-activates and tells you your contemplated action is
wrong and that you shouldn't embark on it. You may ignore it if you wish, but
you cannot suppress the automatic intervention of "conscience". 
 
Again we have tangibles and intangibles; if tangible object
like reading glass can be picked up and us why not the conscience? Conscience
can also tell you in a reciprocal form too; that is what you are doing is right instead of wrong. The difference is just feeling and
seeing. If we can see the conscience like we see the reading glass no one will ever
regret. Again thanks Edi

 
DO ONTO OTHERS AS YOU WILL ACCEPT THEM IN RETURN. DO YOUR BEST AND LIVE THEREST TAKING CARE FOR ITSELF




>________________________________
> From: Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask] 
>Sent: Tuesday, 20 August 2013, 13:31
>Subject: Re: [G_L] Haruna - Lamin Darbo  [G_L] X Lands Minister Maffy Jarju In NIA Custody!
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>Edie
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>Nothing to be sorry about, and please engage me for as long as you wish. No offence is ever taken, especially when engagement is constructively benign, as yours generally is. 
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>If the context allows it, "midget sentiment" may indeed be construed as "small mindedness or narrow mindedness". However, if you look closely at my context, I refer to "greed and indifference" as the midget sentiments that are in constant competition with sublime "conscience". Please refer:
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>In constant competition conscience is
>With other a powerful sentiment
>Greed and indifference they include
>But before consciencecompetition of midget form
>If only on flitting occasion
>Midget sentiments can conscience overwhelm
>In greedy and selfish 
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>The key to unlocking my meaning is the word "competition". What and what are competing? "Conscience" on the one hand, and "greed and indifference" on the other. I recognise that "greed and indifference" can be powerful drivers of human conduct, but because all of sound mind can differentiate between right and wrong, "conscience" is far superior to "greed and indifference". 
>
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>Rewinding just a little bit, the context of the current conversation is "Maffy Jarju in NIA Custody". Maffy, and Dr Janneh, lived in the land of the free for a consideration portion of their lives, and when they told us that their freedom, and that of larger Gambia, was dispensable in the name of "contributing" and ostensible "economic development", there was no need to consult any oracles as to their sincerity. At that time, they were simply overwhelmed by greed, and were thereforeindifferent to the suffering of fellow citizens occasioned by the brutality of Dr Jammeh's (as he then was) style of governance. 
>
>
>Fast forward to now, and you appreciate the hollowness of Dr Janneh's "Standing Up Against Injustice". He knew the injustice was fully formed and irreversible when he dined at the high councils of intolerance in 2004. Greed and indifference won in 2004, and would be winning with Dr Janneh had the Professor not ejected him from his Cabinet. After 2000, none went into that Cabinet with a clear conscience. Greed and indifference were the magnets, not the rubbish excuses of contributing to economic development, assuming that concept is properly understood. 
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>About whether or not you can "use" conscience, this is deeply esoteric territory, and I appreciate you are a philosophical person. What I am meaning to say is that unlike your reading glasses, you do not pick up "conscience" and use it.  Instead, "conscience" self-activates and tells you your contemplated action is wrong and that you shouldn't embark on it. You may ignore it if you wish, but you cannot suppress the automatic intervention of "conscience". 
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>As to whether you are "difficult to please", I urge that you not worry about that at all. If I cannot handle your constructive conversation, I'd call it a day on the L, ignore my conscience, follow the dictates of greed and indifference, and put feelers out to the Professor for any masochistic vacancy in his policy councils, the Cabinet preferably. You may be supportive, but I know Joe and co would instantly spring into battle mode. They'd be right to target me for ignoring my conscience. 
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>With similar love and respect from this end
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>LJDarbo     
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>________________________________
> From: Edie Sidibeh <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask] 
>Sent: Monday, 19 August 2013, 11:02
>Subject: Re: [G_L] Haruna - Lamin Darbo  [G_L] X Lands Minister Maffy Jarju In NIA Custody!
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>I am sorry if I happen to misplaced your clarification to the issue or use of (midget sentiment) which I red as small mindedness or narrow mindedness. Again bear with me as my intention is never to piss you off as you are one of the respected few I really admire in this forum even whereas, I will not agree with all what you say but to sometimes challenge and learn from your knowledgeable legal literates laugh. I am still confused and maybe I should go for graduate English language course to be able to understand your volubility. However, if conscience is not something we use, why should it affect the outcome of what we do? In the second paragraph, while quoting from the online news paper;- 
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>There was absolutely no naivety involved in his decision as his conscience would have instantly notified him that he was about to engage in utterly wrong and indefensible conduct.To my humble understanding, he failed to listen to his conscience in other words, he didn't use the advice of his conscience which again contradicted the previous paragraph of (not usable)? Then again how about if he had listen to his conscience in a reciprocate form?? Again i apologized "if" I am difficult to be pleased and you are not oblige to respond and you will also be spared from legal wrangling. With love and respect Edie
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>DO ONTO OTHERS AS YOU WILL ACCEPT THEM IN RETURN. DO YOUR BEST AND LIVE THEREST TAKING CARE FOR ITSELF
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>>________________________________
>> From: Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask] 
>>Sent: Monday, 19 August 2013, 0:06
>>Subject: Re: [G_L] Haruna - Edie  [G_L] X Lands Minister Maffy Jarju In NIA Custody!
>> 
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>>Thanks Edie, but you appear to misconstrue my use of the term "midget". I am merely suggesting that "greed and indifference" are midgets in the face of conscience. In other words, "conscience" is far superior to them. The focus is on the concept, not the person. And whilst we are at it, conscience is not something you use. Rather, it is always in control, instantly notifying you when you did something wrong, or when you even contemplate embarking on a falsehood. It is left to the human being to ignore the instructions of conscience, but like it or not, those instructions will be given, and instantaneously. 
>> 
>>For example, a suave, sophisticated, travelled, educated, and well connected  individual admitted in a rebuttal article published by an online newspaper that he was probably "naïve" when he accepted a Cabinet position with the Professor. There was absolutely no naivety involved in his decision as his conscience would have instantly notified him that he was about to engage in utterly wrong and indefensible conduct. He ignored his conscience, not once, but twice, and lived to regret it. His blatant disregard of the instructions of his conscience will forever remain a blot on his character. 
>> 
>>You are right he is in plenty of distinguished company, but no matter how vehemently they protested their misunderstandings, individually, and as a group, their consciences will always contradict them. In Gambian public life, this translates to embracing injustice and lawlessness. If only occasionally, we will remind them about their decisions to ignore their consciences in the service of their greed and selfishness. I know you don't like that and so I ask for your indulgence in advance.
>> 
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>>LJDarbo  
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>>From: Edie Sidibeh <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask] 
>>Sent: Sunday, 18 August 2013, 18:15
>>Subject: Re: [G_L] Haruna - Edie  [G_L] X Lands Minister Maffy Jarju In NIA Custody!
>> 
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>>Nice way to putting it Lamin Darbo.
However, as far as imperfection is also human nature and life is a continuous education till death, suppressing or even
ignoring or be overwhelmed by the conscience is therefore not limited to only
the midgets because selfishness and greed is also human nature and even you and I had, at some point, in our lives, been greedy or selfish whether consciously
or not and that doesn't communicate to who we are today. Some times you will
use your conscience to a disappointment and in other instances success. therefore,
to be overwhelm by conscience has no limit, it can happen to anyone without
been stigmatized. Edie
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>> 
>>DO ONTO OTHERS AS YOU WILL ACCEPT THEM IN RETURN. DO YOUR BEST AND LIVE THEREST TAKING CARE FOR ITSELF
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>>From: Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: [log in to unmask] 
>>>Sent: Sunday, 18 August 2013, 3:12
>>>Subject: Re: [G_L] Haruna - Edie  [G_L] X Lands Minister Maffy Jarju In NIA Custody!
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>>>Conscience
never a holiday takes
>>>Neither
sleep nor travel overtakes it
>>>Ignored
it can
>>>Suppressed
it cannot
>>>Of
humanity a companion permanent
>>>All
of sound mind have it
>>>For
innate it is
>>> 
>>>In
constant competition conscience is
>>>With
other a powerful sentiment
>>>Greed
and indifference they include
>>>But
before conscience competition of midget form
>>>If
only on flitting occasion
>>>Midget
sentiments can conscience overwhelm
>>>In
greedy and selfish
>>> 
>>>But
conscience always victorious
>>>Truly
succumbing only to mind unsound
>>>Or
when death human life overtakes
>>>Only
then it truly is overwhelmed
>>>On
other occasion
>>>Ignored
it can
>>>Suppressed
it cannot
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>>>LJDarbo
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>>>From: Edie Sidibeh <[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: [log in to unmask] 
>>>Sent: Saturday, 17 August 2013, 12:44
>>>Subject: Re: [G_L] Haruna [G_L] X Lands Minister Maffy Jarju In NIA Custody!
>>> 
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>>>Bravo Haruna, I am really in agreement with you on this one. Yes conscience is our birthright yet is not everyone who have the time to listen to it therefore, it became forgotten and needed to be develop or if you like, refurbished. This world is so noisy and distracting enough to make one loose yourself on the way. Now fancy this; When you see a dead electric bulb, don't immediately believe that all electricity is dead, but to knowing or remembering that, the electricity is there and alive like the human conscience and change the bulb and you will get your electricity inactivated again. therefore using our conscience needed some kind of training or recognition to bring it forward and use it to our advantage. Human-being is gifted with lots of talents but without better training, it will be lost in the wield and that doesn't mean it is not there. Edie    
>>> 
>>>DO ONTO OTHERS AS YOU WILL ACCEPT THEM IN RETURN. DO YOUR BEST AND LIVE THEREST TAKING CARE FOR ITSELF
>>>
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>>>From: Haruna <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>To: [log in to unmask] 
>>>>Sent: Saturday, 17 August 2013, 4:27
>>>>Subject: Re: [G_L] X Lands Minister Maffy Jarju In NIA Custody!
>>>> 
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>>>>
>>>>JDAM,
>>>>
>>>>I understand your sobriety. Imagine for a moment you are 15-17 years old and plucked from Gambia and your parents. You are brought to the US where you completed high school, did college while working some menial jobs, then you move up a bit to an airline network agent. Then Yahya plucks you from there because you share the same tribe as him so you can help maintain a stranglehold on the other imagined adversarial tribes in some non-descript revenge.
>>>>
>>>>Now imagine you were an orphan when you were plucked from your community in Gambia.
>>>>
>>>>What I share is that neither of these persons would automatically develop the conscience you refer to. It is the reason why criminals prefer to drug-up juveniles to murder, abduct, and assassinate their fellows without compunction.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Haruna.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>Sent: Fri, Aug 16, 2013 7:52 pm
>>>>Subject: Re: X Lands Minister Maffy Jarju In NIA Custody!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Folk like Maffeh are not trained to see beyond their own pockets, whatever it took"  
>>>>                                                                                                                       Haruna
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Indeed Haruna, but no training required for conscience. Everyone has it, only that the likes of Maffy deliberately imprisoned theirs, to their own detriment in the larger scheme of things.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>LJDarbo 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>From: Haruna <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>To: [log in to unmask] 
>>>>Sent: Friday, 16 August 2013, 18:35
>>>>Subject: Re: [G_L] X Lands Minister Maffy Jarju In NIA Custody!
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thanks Giussepi for sharing. Maffeh was my roommate at WCU for a brief while. I understand why he joined Yahya in the first place. He found out quickly that Sir Dawda was nothing compared to Yahya. I think his conscience got the better of him while he was busy committing garden variety crimes against Gambians who were not close to the corridors of power. Folk like Maffeh are not trained to see beyond their own pockets, whatever it took. He has been couriering for Yahya before he returned to join him. Many a purchase of Yahya was facilitated by Maffeh in those days.
>>>>
>>>>The last Hurrah is nigh! 
>>>>
>>>>Haruna.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>Sent: Fri, Aug 16, 2013 12:33 pm
>>>>Subject: X Lands Minister Maffy Jarju In NIA Custody!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hehehehehe! "The Boys Are Trying". What a difference a day makes? Mr. Software Engineer; The 401A account holder; Boys Yanghe Legaye, etc. It was painful to hear these frauds sell to Gambians a blatant lie, but it was more painful and dishonest of their relatives and friends to come to champion those lies and to tell us characters, the calibre of Maffy were going to "Give Back"; "Contribute their Quota"; "Are Patriotic", etc. All blatant lies. Every dog has their day and not a single one of them will be spared. If I was on Wall Street betting on these frauds I'd be a Billionaire by now, for I have a perfect record, thus far. We all know what's up, Con Nange Bayi Nahatebi. Where is the news that Maffy is a guest of the NIA? Old wine in an old bottle! Maffy was an acquaintance but never a comrade and he stopped dealing with me the moment he decided to jump the tracks. To his defense, he sold his wares to many a greedy boys and gals and many are here
 today licking their bruises. This is not the first time Maffy has a land something over his head and it will not be the last. Yaya is stealing lands all over the place, thus, Maffy wants his cut too. Whether the story is true or not, none will escape from the trap that is Yaya. Just ask our PhDs. They thought they have some College, but the Village Idiot got the best of them. 
>>>>
>>>>EX Lands Minister Maffy Jarju In NIA Custody!
>>>>EX Lands Minister Maffy Jarju In NIA Custody!
>>>>Malafi Jarju, the former Lands Minister has been taken into custody by the NIA, the Freedom Newspaper can report at this hour. Widely known as “Maffy Jarju” in the Atlanta area by his colleagues and contemporaries, Maffy, who is a native of Batakunku is being held on land related issues.
>>>>Maffy was picked up alongside with the Alkalo of Batakunku and two others including one Borry Ceesay, a man identified as Yahya Jammeh marabout emissary. Borry Ceesay usually travels to neighboring Senegal to find marabouts for Yahya Jammeh. A European national residing in Batakunku was also picked by the NIA. The European is said to be a German National. Thanks to the European national, Batakunku was able to have electricity.
>>>>The detainees were still at the NIA at the time of filing this report. They are yet to be charged with any offence. Maffy Jarjue, is a former employee of the Delta Airline. He is said to be a computer engineer of that sort. He returned home some years ago to join the Jammeh administration. He briefly served in Jammeh’s cabinet under the capacity of Lands Minister. He was later fired. Maffy also appeared before a government constituted Commission of Inquiry, in which the Commission was mandated to look into assets owned by public officials including Ministers.
>>>>The last time we checked on Maffy, we were told that he was the Secretary General of the Ruling APRC. He used to be a strong supporter of President Jammeh and his APRC. But Maffy has since taken a back seat on APRC and Jammeh related issues. His online and political activism has been curtailed drastically for reasons best known to him.
>>>>Maffy is now a guest at the NIA. We hope he will come out from the Agency with his reputation and
>>>>credibility in tack.. You ask his former comrade Joseph Sambou, about Maffy, the likely answer you will get from Joe is that he strongly doubts if Maffy has any semblance of credibility left with him. The reason being: Joe has consistently argued that the likes of Maffy have sold their soul to the Kanilai jester.
>>>>Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2013 (Archive on Friday, August 30, 2013)
>>>>Posted by PNMBAI Contributed by PNMBAI
>>>>Return
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