JC.,



I encourage you to review the Qur'An a bit more. The Qur'An never said Muslims must marry up to four wives or any number of wives. People already married according to their desires and consents before the Qur'An and verily after the Qur'An. What the Qur'An tried to do was to bring order to the debilitating and ensuing affects of marriage, of whatever permutation, for muslims. The non-muslims are evidently not affected by the dictates of the Qur'An. And the muslims and non-muslims both inhabit the earth.



I just wanted to make sure you're not one of those folk Demba shares with us. Those who make excuses for their gammy pannafores by evoking a Qur'An they did not and may never understand. Trust me, if the Qur'An had told muslims they Must only marry ONE wife at a time, you will not have had the opportunity to be a muslim. Nevermind Muhammad. Trust me. I like you JC but I think you misunderstand the Qur'An a bit. When you read Suratul Nisa'A, read the introduction to the surah so you get some cultural ambiance. Or, I recommend the book; The cultural Atlas of Islam, or a study into Arabian History, the purveyors of the Qur'An.



I do agree with you however on Demba's points of HUMAN RIGHTS.

I also understand Suntou and Emman's positions and they are equally valid.



For what its worth, I wish to share that we may be focused on empty chatter by discussing other people's desires and predispositions. Trust me there is nothing wrong with marrying one w
ife or two wives, or 10 wives, or a hundred wives, or even a thousand wives a la Swazi Royalty. What we should be discussing are the crimes that happen within marriages, mono or poly. You will come to the conclusion that when a criminal marries, his or her crimes are not determined by the number of partners in matrimony. Even when a criminal is not married he/she still commits the crimes. I think the ladies of Maafanta have succeeded in seducing you guys to foray into their Attaya chatter. There are more important things to focus on than worry about how many men or women someone marries. You will be pleased to know that I am all for a woman marrying multiple husbands or one husband if she so desires. I just don't agree with the idiot committing crimes against her fellow human or animal.



JC, I am afraid for you. You have engineered a conflict for yourself; one between "Western Society and that of your God". This will be debilitating for you to no end. I urge temperance. I happen to know there is no such conflict between Juan C's God and Western constitutions. Its all in your mind. Set it free. Haruna. 





----Original Message-----
From: Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:42 pm
Subject: Re: In Maafanta 2.. Jecob Zuma the man. Polygamy



Polygamy
 
A rejoinder discuss by YJ
 

The topic as it way seem deserve a fair treatment. Polygamy would mean a man getting married to more than one20wife by common law (tradition) or legal conditions. Its injection into society is either because of faith (as the rule of Allah swt in the Quran, stipulated up to four wives based on conditions of affordability, equal love, treatment etc...), traditional cultural beliefs or both. As believers, we cannot believe a part and disbelieve in a part thereof, and the sunnihs like Suntou will base theirs on this argument. Those of us in the west are already disadvantaged to participate for the simple fact that the rules of the land requires a man to have one wife and a woman to have one husband; such societies discourages both polyandry and polygamy on the basics that the practice is strictly not imaginable and contains superior tendencies over the opposite sex. Human rights activists like my good mentor Baldeh will base their large arguments on this, which is basically sympathy over the state of a woman being able to share while a man cannot. Either way, we cannot be wrong engaging one another in this widely sprouting topic, if not for intellectual maturity, as way of continuous enlightenment, even though a mutual consensus might not yield, because while the women activists/feminists will not give up on their stance, the believers of true Islam will not because of the Quranic stipulation.
The truth be told, Allah swt knows best why He instructed that verse, and such stipulation must not be challenged, but its understanding to suite our way of life must be given due diligence. Again, the truth be told, sharing a20man is hard to imagine. At an age when women are fighting for both emancipation (as in the Copenhagen treaty) or just fighting to object man's "dominance" which over the ages only put women under inferior complexities and hardships, it is understandable why women or feminists would feel the way they do as a result of polygamous marriages, where some men has taken advantage of them in a number of ways and has constantly used cultural norms, religious stipulations or both to justify the excesses which came to define such relations. To that, we can only help to condemn it like any other wrong doing. Man's extreme dominance not only on women but other humans (animals in totality) must be put to strict check. We must harness equality. We must champion everyone's freedom, liberty and urge to be an independent being. To break these necklaces or chains of taming, we must seek to have a society where people have a right to be free, without having to be forced to do things against their own will, thus to say, a mutual consultation probably might yield good. 
 
After we came this far, let us share the noted ones; Muhammad (PBUH) married more than one wife; Ibrahim (PBUH) married more than one wife; Suleiman (PBUH) married more than one wife; Dawda (PBUH) also did, etc…
 
English (Yusuf Ali): 
[4:3 If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with
 them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.] (Source: www.Islamiccity.com)
 
[English (Yusuf Ali): 
4:129 Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women, even if it is your ardent desire: But turn not away (from a woman) altogether, so as to leave her (as it were) hanging (in the air). If ye come to a friendly understanding, and practice self- restraint, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.] (Source: www.islamiccity.com)
 
In the conclusions, this is one of the hardest topics for me to weigh in, for the simple fact that it puts me in a funny situation, after being trapped in-between a western constitution and that of God. Of course that of Allah takes precedence in all conditions. If you ask me where I belong of the two debating groups, I will say both, in a sense I understand the activists' stand on this matter. I also understand the Sunnihs' stand on this matter. If I am to choose between the two, I hope I can get married to only one women, whom I can mutually be in love with, despite all the urges associated with humanity. Nonetheless, we will combine our individual opinions and the authentic quotation from the Quran to argue for or against this great debate, despite its complex nature. The truth though, there must be respect in any relationship. Neither the man nor the women should take advantage of the other. In a case, to where we agree with consensus that polygamy is endors
ed by us, the man must live by all its stipulations, and where you can't live by the rules , please spare yourself from getting trapped into it. The century's joke, "one woman, one problem" is a buzz. To where we have decided to turn our backs to it, we must only do that based on the stipulations, not because we believe Allah's verse is inaccurate or lacking wisdom. It is worth mentioning that we've seen the practice work in some people. In others, it didn't. To those that disagree base on the counter verse 4:129, which seems to say that men cannot be "fair", it is within your thinking right to do that, but the right you don't have is saying 4:3 doesn't hold.
 
Note: Thanks to Maafanta and Sankanu for sparking the debate once again. 



There is no god but Allah (SWT) and Muhammad (SAW) is His messenger. Fear and Worship only Allah alone!



  

Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 06:26:38 +0000
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: In Maafanta 2.. Jecob Zuma the man. sankanu weighs in
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Your views Demba is not more enlighten than that our Maker. So in as much you disagree with it, your analogy is flaw as Islam did not recommend it for after battles only. I will refer you the verses.
If you and I can't handle it, some men can and besides, forward the solution to the surplus women if you may. Islam regulate the types of polgamy that was practised and it put a limit to it. 

Suntou
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From: Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: In Maafanta 2.. Jecob Zuma the man. sankanu weighs in
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Friday, 9 October, 2009, 6:53 AM



I think polygamy is a recipe to endless problems many of our men create for themselves. If you cannot handle the one woman you have in your household, how in the world can you handle two or three, four or six?. It is like being an alcoholic and adding hard drugs on to it.  

 

The excuse that great men died in Battles and therefore it was ok to take their wives is no longer practical. If one woman cannot satisfy you no amount of women will satisfy you. 

 

Its a false excuse to say it is religious or tradition. It is greed and self fulfilling fantasies.  The victims are the innocent children who gets caught up in the fight.

 

Down with poly -game - me.

 

Demba



On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Emman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

MORE GAMBIAN MEN SHOULD BE IN THE POLYGAMY DEBATE
Em
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> Datum: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 07:06:25 +0000
> Von: SUNTOU TOURAY <[log in to unmask]>
> An: [log in to unmask]
> Betreff: Re: In Maafanta 2.. Jecob Zuma the man. sankanu weighs in

> Now this is getting more interesting. My other newphew Bubacarr Sankanu
> weighs in the polygamy debate with a bang. My newphew is very blunt i must
> say. Sad to read about the health complication of
 our Gambian sister. May God
> bring her back to full heath.
> www.maafanta.com
> Â
>
>
>
> Â
> Â
> Â
> "Ignore the foolish feminist propaganda
> says Sankanu and has given you reasons fifteen pages long!
> Â
> Yes, African Women In The Diaspora
> Share Their Husbands!
> Long Live Jacob Zuma. God Bless Polygamy!
> By Bubacarr A Sankanu, Cologne, Germany
>
> Introduction
>
> I am a bit embarrassed that no man, Gambian, African or otherwise, joined
> the battle of the sexes going on at Maafanta.com over polygamy.
> Perhaps the chauvinists brushed it off as just another feminist gossip.
> Others might have chosen to ignore it considering that fracas over the Gambia
> Press Union in Obamastan (USA).
> Some could however conclude that bashing our poor President Yahya Jammeh
> is more convenient that taking on those fire-spitting feminist rebels! Boys,
> there are no more men left in Europe and North America. The feminists
> there have succeeded in freezing their balls. Do you want us African boys to
> share the miserable fate of those white boys?
> Sorry whities I do not mean to be racist, but after ten years in your
> world, I can testify on how your chicks have made you into what the Germans
> call Weicheier (soft balls, cowards) and tote Hose (dead trousers, nothing on
> bed)! Take the case of aesthetics for example. The way you Western boys
> define feminine beauty is different from the way we African guys see beauty.

> Feminism has made you guys lazy and weak that's why you are promoting those
> skinny and hungry fashion-photo models as ideals of artificial beauty. We
> Africans or black men are mad about authentic women with “meat”, great
> curves, elegant backsides and naturally intimidating mammary glands! A real
> man must hold on to “meat” during romps. So it is unfair to insist on
> making Western beauty equally African.
> I am not a castrated coward and as a warrior prince, I feel I should spend
> some time here flirting, smooching and having serious fun with the sweet
> bad girls and Amazons of Maafanta.com over the subject of polygamy and
> related man-woman squabbles.
> I know the die-hard feminists will declare me wanted for my provocative
> stance on the perpetual battle of the sexes. But first, I would like to
> belatedly welcome Maafanta.com to the Gambian/African Cyber Family..........more
>
> --- On Sun, 4/10/09, SUNTOU TOURAY <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
> From: SUNTOU TOURAY <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: In Maafanta 2.. Jecob Zuma the man
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Sunday, 4 October, 2009, 5:29 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jecob Zuma captured the reality of false monogamous felas. I once meet a
> married Indain tycoon in a business show in Birmingham. He confided me in
> that, every year, he cheat on his wife three times. But he quickly=2
0went on to
> mention that, "i am a happily married man". yeah until your wife finds
> out.
> Where is AMNA?
> Is it ok for younger men to married older women then? Becus, i can
> remember a married situation call "kun den dendo" when an older granny marries a
> younger man for the shake avoiding dying without a husband.
> But there are still beautiful older sisters around, i wonder whether they
> will want a much younger fela like Haruna taking them as 'mbomiris' or
> 'ntorin laman'.
> Maafanta is doing well. Gainako too over the past month entertain us with
> brilliant stuffs, good radiance brothers. As usual freedom is on the fore
> front with things, our own allgambian is doing good. Not forgeting the
> versatile senegambia news and the new look Gambiajournal.
> Our media folks are doing right well. Salute them.###
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