*So Muhammed, if you don't write in bold no one will notice what you are
writing. Sad indeed. i wish to avoid responding to foolish statement like
the ones you kept on muttering about but just this once, i will respond.*
*Halifa is nothing that i wish to be. I do not bow down to any human being
who uses the toilet, have sex, eat, urinate, sleep, farth, and equally gets
sick.*
*If we are talking about history, Halifa nor you can claim to have a better,
deeper or sounder history than mine. So Muhammed, your idiotic statement
fits well with your twisted head. *
*If you have been blown by Halifa forceful speeches, then say ameen to them.
I read with my mine wide open and my head in chech. Halifa a sociologist
cannot con me. Wherever i am convicted of tribalism, your Halifa will
be hanged on the same offense. I know about Halifa up to his late Dad, may
his soul rest in peace. So don't get distracted. *
*The Issues at hand is, why is Halifa wasting people's time with a simple
logic. either he aggree to join with the party with majority votes or let
him go alone. His write-ups will be challenges in time.*
*thanks Muhammed*
*Suntou
*
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Muhammed Drammeh
<[log in to unmask]>wrote:

>   Thanks Mr Nyang for exposing this empty barrel. he is a always making a
> fool of himself. The man is suffering from inferiority complex and Halifa
> does not even have his time. I am beginning to see the idiot as a very
> backward tribalist and this is why the UDP will never win elections in The
> Gambia. Suntou sees Halifa Sallah as a wollof and so his hatred is
> pronounced and this is why any thing Halifa does or achieved tribalist
> Suntubaa is negative about it. Grow up Suntu time is not on your side
>
>  *Muhammad Bai Drammeh Bin Alhagie Sheihu Muhammad Lamin Drammeh Bin
> Muhammad Kanday Drammeh bin Muhammad Kissima Drammeh bin Foday Drammeh*
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 8/12/09, Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [>-<] What next UDP
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Tuesday, 8 December, 2009, 16:29
>
>   Suntou I am not at your level. I recognize facts as they are. The more
> you express your self here the more you expose your disdain for the person
> of Halifa.
>
> Of-curse, the issues being peddled by folks like you talk of big and small.
> This is not about the persons of Halifa and Ousainou. I will never join you
> in that nature of talk despite not being a student of knowledge. I am a
> crash high school graduate,yet grasps issues at a level higher than you are.
> Sorry!! i am not being arrogant. Just that you like to situate yuor self at
> a level your public outings does not correspond with. No disrespect meant.
> You are entitled to call your self BOLONGBA.
>
> The best,
> Nyang
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 12/8/09, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>* wrote:
>
>
> From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [>-<] What next UDP
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 5:55 AM
>
>  Modou, it depends who you are refering to as 'smaller guy'. if it
> is Halifa you are refering to, then you don't the least about him.
> Suntou
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:18 AM, Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>
>>   That's a good point. The one with an upper hand will like to remain as
>> such. However, what if being the big guy is not good enough to usher in the
>> goods. There you have the the smaller ones who  could be of good addition
>> instead the so called big guy chooses to treat them with disdain and
>> disregard.
>>
>> I think the big guy should reach out to the so called small guys to get
>> them join him if he is to save himself from humiliation again by another big
>> guy.
>>
>> Or else, the big guy, by reaching out to the smaller guys can consider
>> bringing in a medium size guy who is neutral to help serve as a uniting
>> factor in case he might be scared of being out stepped by the small guys
>> after kicking out the other big guy.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>>
>> Nyang.
>>
>> --- On *Mon, 12/7/09, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: [>-<] What next UDP
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 10:53 PM
>>
>>
>>  Nyang,
>>
>> If Darboe, Halifa, OJ and Hamat can agree on a flag bearer, more power to
>> them. But being the political animals politicians generally are, it would be
>> unrealistic to expect any one in the position of the UDP or any party that
>> has consistently, though with progressively reduced total votes, come out as
>> the second biggest vote getter to cede leadership.  I am of the view that
>> all three cases you cited either confirms my assertion (Senegal and Kenya)or
>> is a special case (Mali).  ATT came initially to power through a coup, left
>> voluntarily and honorably after ushering in a civilian government, set up
>> his NGO, traverse the world, hobnobbed with world leaders and acted as
>> Special envoy of the United Nations.  ATT, in short, didn't need a political
>> party to return to the helm because of his unusual and special
>> circumstances.  It's my skeptism that has the best of me in my lack of
>> confidence in a political party leader who is convinced that his party is
>> the biggest of all the opposition parties to cede leadership.
>>
>> A. Koroma
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Sent: Mon, Dec 7, 2009 10:02 pm
>> Subject: Re: [>-<] What next UDP
>>
>>   Brother Ansu, wasn't the politics of numbers of numbers tried in 2001
>> and 2006 by the biggest opposition party and it did not yield the desired
>> results?
>>
>> As far as i am concerned a clear arrangement need to be put in place
>> before putting any single person to lead us. If Sansudeen's narration of the
>> events of the coup in 1994 is to be believed, Jammeh was put in power by the
>> very people he has kicked out one after the other. Please do not get me
>> wrong. I am not insinuating that choosing Darboe to lead us in an alliance
>> will result to the same experiences with the example above. Notwithstanding
>> however, relying merely on the UDP's past electoral gains is not convincing
>> enough to automatically choose it's leader to lead the rest of the
>> opposition into contest with Jammeh.
>>
>> Others have mentioned that coalitions or alliances are always lead by the
>> so called majority parties among the opposition. That is not altogether
>> correct. it was not the case in Senegal, Mali and neither Kenya.
>>
>> What transpired in Senegal in the 2000 elections was that Wade forced
>> Diouf into a second round by capturing 30.1 percent of the votes as opposed
>> to Diouf's 41.3 percent.Mustapha Niasse and Djibo Kah followed in third and
>> fourth place respectively were already out of the race as par the
>> constitutional requirement to determine an outright winner.
>> In my view, even if Niasse did not give his support to Wade in the second
>> round, Wade would have emerged the winner none the less. Reason? It is
>> rooted in the results of the second round of the elections. Pushing Diouf
>> into a runoff the Senegalese people realized that change was eminent and
>> they simply went for it. However,with Niasse declaring his support for Wade
>> it then became a matter of simple arithmetic. That is why Wade's share of
>> the votes in the final vote surged from 30.1 percent to 58.5 percent to
>> Diouf's 41.5 percent. An tiny increment from his first round gain despite
>> Djobo Kah's support.
>>
>> In Kenya Raila Odinga was the main challenger among the opposition. Kibaki
>> was a Vice President and only broke away when he was not selected to lead
>> Kanu. in my view, it was a tactic of capturing Kanu's support base of
>> predominantly Kikuyu's that made the opposition that coalesced into the
>> Rainbow Coalition to selected Kibaki as a candidate. He was not in the
>> opposition.
>>
>> The Mali experiment is well known. ATT won on an independent ticket with
>> the support of "Allegedly" the out going Alpha Oumar Konare. Uncle Haruna
>> can tell us more on what happened in Mali.
>>
>> Coming back home, the UDP has been experiencing a decline in votes since
>> it's first electoral contest in 1996 likewise the NRP. For PDOIS has only
>> managed a little increase in it's votes since 1996.
>>
>> Hence as matters stand, it is only through the combination of of the
>> strengths of all these parties that we stand the chance of defeating the
>> APRC. This i am convinced is a common ground for all of us. But how to get
>> the parties work together is the issue at hand.
>>
>> I do not subscribe to the idea of choosing someone because of past
>> electoral results. It has to be based on clearly agreed terms and
>> conditions. In this way when when you establish your organization or
>> whatever you may want to do it to ensure that our country never again fall
>> back into the old days of the APRC and even of the PPP, i will join you in
>> tandem to act as guards to ensure the arrangements lading to our new found
>> independence are followed in letter and spirit. Anything less, is
>> unacceptable.
>>
>> Nyang.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On *Mon, 12/7/09, [log in to unmask]<[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]>
>> <[log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]>>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]> <
>> [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]>>
>> Subject: Re: [>-<] What next UDP
>> To: [log in to unmask]<[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]>
>> Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 4:55 PM
>>
>>   Folks,
>>
>> Politics and elections are essentially about numbers.  The leader of the
>> political party with the largest support always heads a coalition. If this
>> arrangement is not acceptable to the smaller parties, they are of course
>> free to go it alone.  I believe it is FangKung who regularly reminds us that
>> Yahya Jammeh plans to be around until 2025. If the present crop of
>> politicians and the haggling amongst supporters of various parties even
>> before negotiations commence are anything to go by, Yahya could be around
>> for a lot longer than 2025 unless he is stopped through the non-election
>> route.
>>
>> A. Koroma
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bailo Jallow <[log in to unmask]<[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]>
>> >
>> To: Gambia Post <[log in to unmask]<[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]>
>> >
>> Sent: Mon, Dec 7, 2009 4:01 pm
>> Subject: RE: [>-<] What next UDP
>>
>> Saiks,
>>
>> Well done for a good write-up of your political perspectives!
>>
>> I also have no doubt that a government led by Ousainou Darboe would adhere
>> to and practice the principles of  democracy and also be commiitted to
>> satisfying the development aspirations of all Gambians. A two-term
>> presidential limit and an independent judiciary to which all opposition
>> parties are committed should serve as key cornerstones towards forming a
>> tactical alliance between the UDP alliance and the remnants of the NADD
>> coalition.
>>
>> Therefore, I believe Ousainou should for once be given the opportunity to
>> lead a tactical coalition of all opposition parties. I am now convinced that
>> key members of NADD's leadership such as Waa Juwara were to all intents and
>> purposes more interested in defeating the legitimate political aspirations
>> of their counterparts within NADD than they were really committed to
>> stopping Yahya Jammeh's gross misrule.
>>
>> If the genuine opposition leadership are fully committed to defeating
>> Yahya Jammeh's dictatorship which continues to pose the greatest threat to
>> peace and unity of the Gambian nation, then they must individually and
>> collectively realise the inevitability of some sort of an alliance against
>> the incumbent.
>>
>> It ought to be clear by now that no fineness of political posturing or
>> campaigning by the either the UDP-led alliance or PDOIS in the absence of
>> some of an opposition alliance could electorally defeat the current
>> dictatorship. Only an opposition alliance encompassing the likes of OJ,
>> Hamat Bah, Halifa Sallah, Seedia Jatta, etc, etc behind the candidature of
>> Ousainou Darobe could motivate the stay-away electorate to turn up and vote
>> out Professor Yahakat.
>>
>> The best way forward is to merge the strengths of all opposition parties
>> towards defeating both a weak as well as locally and internationally
>> discredited APRC regime. This cannot however be realised if the opposition
>> pursue a path of seeking to denigrade or discrediting one another.
>>
>> Bailo
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> From: [log in to unmask]
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: [>-<] What next UDP
>> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 15:17:08 +0000
>>
>>
>>
>> I am not interested in NADD,this was the organisation that exposed the
>> opportunism of Gambian politicians. Now much of what we know about  the
>> crisis within the  NADD  was that there was power struggle,  who will be
>> the flag bearer. If there was much interest in defeating Jammeh, such should
>> have been a formality and northing else, not even a detail discussion. Daboe
>> should be the Flag bearer period, his party was the largest and still the
>> biggest both in parliament and outside. If  other political parties
>> doubted this why did they not suggest a local elections and ask  the
>> Gambian People(their voters) who they want to be their  Presidential  candidate.
>> All these were not happening but instead they caged themselves  in
>> absorbed formalities, confusing and fooling us who were mobilising
>> support,funds and other resources, making us to believe that there were
>> other fundamental questions that needed to be resolved. Now we know that it
>> was  their own political desires to become the next " his excellence"
>> rapped up in every colour of "divine purity" that caged them. I would not
>> have been shocked or surprised if what breaks up NADD was the question "what
>> will happen after the elections ?" For all political parties involved have
>> the right to voice out their expectations as to what should happen after the
>> election.
>> Never ever has there been a challenge to the powers of  professor Jammeh
>> as we have recently seen by the defiance rally held by the UDP ,these are
>> new times and a new reality.
>> Some few months ago ,whiles visiting the Gambia, in a discussion with a
>> friend, a UDP militant, he explained to me that they met with the newly
>> appointed Inspector  general and very clearly informed him that with or
>> without approving their next application to hold  a political rally, they
>> will go ahead with the rally. Honestly I did not  take that discussions
>> seriously, for me this was just another UDP rattling, they will never ever
>> dare challenge the powers and authority of the Dear  Leader. I was wrong,
>> they did it, and it now need some reflections from some of us who never
>> supported the UDP.
>> Perhaps I was having the April 10/ 11 in mine of which I was a witness to,
>> when defenceless students were brutally gunned down by matured men. But the
>> fact is that, the struggle to end Jammehs rule has reached another stage
>> which must be exploited to the maximum. The torture that many activist were
>> subjected to, the illegal arrest and detentions of political activist, the
>> dead of KC and the murder of Dyda, the on slaughter on   journalist, the
>> demonstrations in New York, London, Washington, Oslo etc, the tireless
>> voices of the opposition in the International, the collection of signatures
>> and contacts with different authorities in the US and UK, known and unknown,
>> and many other forms of  exposing the brutality of the jammeh regime has
>> now bear fruits and it is this that the UDP timely read and reacted to,I
>> have no choice but to credit them for this brave move. They have demystify
>> the powers, the African magic  of our Dear Leader .Now the UDP must take
>> a responsible leadership ,take us to the logical conclusions of this march,
>> to a new level.(I am not discussing anything with regards to my political
>> opinion as to  the capabilities of the UDP in bringing about a meaningful
>> change in the lives of the Gambian People)
>> The UDP  promised to continue to defy the powers of the state(APRC in
>> this case) that continues to unlawfully deny them the right to hold
>> political meetings, if they seriously mean it, then all the other political
>> parties should  do the same. They should mobilise their supporters and  apply
>> for a permit to hold rallies and if they  are deny on no genuine grounds,
>> they should  go ahead. This will be a form of solidarity with the UDP and
>> a challenge to the authorities  to recognise and respect the rights of  free
>> people, a basic human right. The corned and weaken APRC is on the defensive,
>> the court case against Femi Petters is a sign. They knew that this meeting
>> was going to go ahead, they did not bring the military in the street to
>> intimidate and or  gun down the people  as they did to the students. If
>> they UDP is planning another  political rally, if the authorities deny
>> them a permit to hold the rally and they decide to go ahead with it,they
>> should invite the political leaders of all the other oppositions parties to
>> come and speak in the rally.
>> I have my doubts if that will happen, they will be allow to hold the
>> meeting ,but we also know that  the APRC regime loves adventures and the
>> Brave Dear Leader who some time back promised to wipe out on the face of the
>> Earth and un named country, if that country mess with him, must be full of
>> confidence to face the whole world and plus the Gambian masses.
>>  If little UDP can defy his powers ,if  he is wise enough or having good
>> advices, it is now time for him to reassess his rhetoric. If barely a 6
>> months will not pass without  news of a certain military high ranking
>> official  been arrested or sacked, the very people who will be leading
>> his war or on slaughter, as a trained military officer, he should know that
>> his military power base is very weak.
>> Will  the other political parties join the UDP in this new stage of  political
>> development in the country ? they should be able to do so by dropping their
>> ego, their ambition of becoming the next "His Excellence", which is more of
>> dream than a reality at this moment of the political situation in the
>> country. It is with this reality that we should confront the parties we
>> support and demand that they act, if our immediate political interest is to
>> see the back of the APRC regime and bring sanity to the country. They should
>> mobilise their members to attend the next court case of Femi Petters, they
>> should release statements of solidarity with the UDP and promise the
>> Authorities that they too will use the same method if ever they are deny
>> permit to hold political rallies.  My  opinion, anything less will be
>> another political rambling towards the next elections.
>>
>> For Freedom
>> Saiks
>>
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