Hi Ndey,

Ndey please give Matarr another chance. I don't think that he will history
to repeat itself. He has done and learnt a lot in the past and nothing is
worse than not having anyone to listen to you or talk to you. He is missing
you guys. Give him another chance. ONE ONLY OK. good guys.....

He is dying to talk to sensible people in a way, regretting what he has done
in the past.



Nens.




>From: Ndey Jobarteh <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
><[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [fwd: On Matarr Njie etc reply to Saul]
>Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 06:20:14 PST
>
>I just want to take this apportunity to clarify certain issues regarding
>Matarr and what some of you have already said.
>
>I belived that most of the people who are infavour of lifting the ban on
>Matarr are very interested in the  reconcilisation and healing process, and
>having the belived that  Matarr Njie did learn a lesson from his ban.
>
>First of all i believe that Matarr Njie did not learn any lessons so far as
>i
>am concern. THe reason for this conclution is that Matarr continue to write
>private mails to people and insulting them. SO if this is what people are
>saying is a lesson learnt,then I am confused.I believed one of the
>conditions
>,if this ban should be lift,will be that MAtarr Njie should  immedialtely
>stop
>sending insults to people and he should understand that our parents are not
>a
>part to our dispute with him and he should not insult them. THey do not
>subscribe to any of our views and even if they do they deserve not to be
>part
>of Matarr's vengence.
>
>
>Secondly, the talked about reconciliation and healing. Reconciliation i
>believe is between two sides, that is both the victims and the culprits.
>Even
>in  SOuth Africa the culprits do appologise for their wrong doings. For
>that
>Reason another conditions will be for Matarr to appologise to all the
>people
>he has been harrasing by sending them constant insults and threat.
>
>Thirdly, Talk about democracy, democracy is not only based on voting ,
>freedom
>of speech etc but also to have mutual respect for one and another. Matarr,
>has
>no respect for this foundamental  pillar of democracy . Matarr, have no
>respect for people he did not share the same views with.
>
>
>Finally, it is easy for all of us to seat behind our keys boards and throw
>words at each other. But one thing we have to remember always is that no
>matter what we might be saying to each other ,we might one day meet each
>other
>physically. THis should be at the back of our minds and the last thing we
>would pray for is the L to be a place of creating enemies and not
>friendship,
>sisterhood and brotherhood. We have losts of issues to deal with and learn
>from and i hope this will be our agenda for the next mellinium.
>
>SO, until then the Struggle Continues!!!
>Ndey Jobarteh
>
>
>
>
>
>Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>G-L,
>l am going to apologise  and ask your forgiveness and especially that of
>Katim Touray since he is subject to the same filth that Matarr has
>continually copied  or directed to a lot of us in this posting. It is not
>my
>nature to forward such filth to the list, but in view of all this unending
>nonse regarding the re-instatement of matarr, despite Katim's very thorough
>posting last night, l am doing this to show  people what  a lot of us have
>been subject to, and what they are  defending.Therefore, l am taking the
>responsibility of forwarding an email to the list that Matarr wrote to Saul
>Khan and  copied to me TODAY. Yahya, here is a piece of the reasonableness
>and human nature you speak of from your friend Matarr Njie.Please tell me
>what was insulting about Katim's posting. Here goes:
>
>Saul Khan:
>
>Well, what do you and Katim Touray expect me to do given that you are
>labelling me as a psycho, except to FUCK your filthy mother's vagina.
>Please
>do not cry foul, because you initiated the whole game. Katim should
>definitely know by now that I do NOT take insults lightly. I hit back and
>please do not complain about my choice of words either. Insults are
>insults!
>
>I find Katim's latest ultimatum a silly and a cheap threat. Hypocritical?
>Most certainly.
>How does a son of a prostitute like Katim Touray expect reconcilliation and
>forgiveness when he continually sees other parties hit below the belt
>without intervening? Well, reconcilliation is a two-way street and both
>parties to the conflict have to agree to desist from a restarting the
>vicious circle. What we have on Gambia-L under the self-appointed managers,
>is to tie the hands of one party to the conflict while calling for peace
>and
>reconcilliation. No wonder, the circus is never ending.
>
>You have a nice week ahead.
>
>Matarr.
>
>[log in to unmask] (yeks drame) wrote:
>Katim,
>
>  I think you did a good job, and whats more even, is the level of
>  understanding, patient an diplomacy you had demonstrated in this Mattar
>  issue. I further credit you for the well documented and material evidence
>  you have revealed to us about the activities of Mattar and his (then)
>opinon
>  of the GL.
>
>  However, I also find find it strange for you asking me to apologise to
>the
>  people. For what? What was wrong with trying to hamonise peace within the
>  people! I dont think thats offensive, just saying that Mattar needs us as
>we
>  needs him ? thats authentic Katim! its a fact, no man is an island! I
>  apologise then if that is the order of the day here! I did not know that
>its
>  offensive to speak your mind here. I know you are embarked on a though
>job,
>  managing a forum like this could be stressing and sometimes irritating,
>but
>  please do read all the postings that were sent in concerning this debate.
>I
>  promise you that, I had all the time extempt myself from any form of
>emotion
>  or offensive play. I have been very nutral on this topic! So, am suprised
>  and dissapointed that you are asking me to apologise to the people.
>Possibly
>  I dont get the point right on this list, what is the line for foul play
>  here?
>
>  Notably, the issue is to reconcile, which if it is material shall only
>  promote awareness and peace in our society, that is what is my stance,
>sir!
>  am not trying to disintergrate people instead I want to increase the
>level
>  of understanding and tolarance among our people, what is offensive about
>  that?
>
>  On this list we are continiousely reminded of the of backwardness of our
>  beloved land, Gambia-one of the most degraded, humiliated and rubbed
>  societies of the world for quite a long time. Your open letter to the
>  president is part of the most humble solutions for the mass participation
>of
>  the people in the development of the Gambia, like wise, the Robinson, and
>  Dr. Janneh proposals. All these ideas have only been calling for
>  togetherness and nothing otherwise. Well, in other to achieve that goal
>we
>  must differ in ideas and that is one of the ample reason why I appealed
>for
>  re suscription of Mattar.
>
>  After all said, it is important to realise that, the contribution of the
>  individual is what complys to collectivism and that is what makes great
>  ideas. We must always remember that "many hands make light work".
>Therefore,
>  collectivism will be minimal if we try to block others because of reasons
>  that are very human.We must increase our efforts significantly to
>understand
>  the nature of certain individuals at certain intervals that makes them
>  paranoid and act very irresponsible. This rerconciliation process should
>be
>  seen as a prequisite to development. It is only when we are organised
>among
>  ourselves and make formidable force that we can be able to discuss ideas
>and
>  come to solutions.
>
>  I hope the list managers would follow this debate attentively and see
>what
>  is authentic. I mean., you should read the other postings, and fairly
>judge
>  which ones are offensive, in langauage wise and formular! with this
>regard ,
>  I strongly condemn the idea that I should apologise to the people. I
>should
>  as well add that, I like wise condemn the structural adjustment policies
>  suggested by some list members as a way of reconciliation, because the
>place
>  the haviest burden on the process of reconciliation and instead triggered
>  anger and reluctancy to submission. I think we should ask those people to
>  apologise instead!
>
>  It would be impossible to achieve reconciliation without subscribing to
>the
>  reconcialiatory song of forgiveness. We must remember that liberation is
>not
>  begged for but struggled for! and this must include both parties to
>  liberated.
>
>  To this endavour, the managers of the list should listen to this call
>with
>  open mind and see the essence of unity. I am sure Mattar and all the
>others
>  who were engaged on such foul play will surely understand that we are all
>  "Pist Off" of this unfortunate situation.
>
>  With this regard, list managers, I hope we can closs this chapter in the
>  name of reconciliation and brotherlyhood and turn to a new one. Sometimes
>  one can be force to take dicisions unplesant on their side, but in
>principle
>  that is most fundamental. This dicision you are about to take is a
>challenge
>  to be considerate.
>
>  Peace.
>  Yahya
>   >>
>
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