Thanks Yero for sharing the Star Spangled Banner. A piece of work indeed.
 

 Haruna.

 

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Ollof ying deh wah, 'Biikai moi lolu. humbahnah'.  Thank you gentlemen for your perspectives. I enjoyed hearing from you both, Khaleel from a westerner perspective and Kejau from the African perspective. 
 
I look forward to more of your input on other topics. If you both have time, both of you are invited at gainako's saturday exclusive to educate the masses. It is important that we continue to debate like the ancient greeks. This is one of the ways that we can liberate the minds. 
 
Best regards,
Yero
 
http://www.usa-flag-site.org/song-lyrics/star-spangled-banner.shtml
 


The Star Spangled Banner Lyrics
By Francis Scott Key 1814





Oh, say can you see by the dawn's early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars thru the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner! Oh long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more!
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!




 



Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 22:08:55 +0100
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [G_L] FW: [G_L] President Morsi writes new constitution
To: [log in to unmask]

Khalell, 
Your propaganda or indoctrination will not gowithout challenge here. The US Armed Forces has more and graver cases ofill discipline than any the average African Armed Forces and this isevident by the numerous cases being investigated and prosecuted all overthe world from Japan to Iraq! 
I rest my case and moving on tomore serious issues at home.
Kejau 
 
>
> Kejau,
> I am not sure you want to really argue the discipline of the U.S Armyas
> an organization compare to any african nation armed forces. I don'tthink
> that the U.S. Army is more discipline than any African army, in factI
> know they are. You are right Soldiers are a product of ourcivilian
> populace that are trained, disciplined and commit themselves tocauses
> greater than them. Every basic trainee is broken down and remoldthrough
> the process of making them Soldiers. This by no means completelychange a
> person, the key word here is completely change. Brother, there is areason
> why the human mind cannot be legislated. Among any bunch of peoplethere
> are good, bad, evil and kind. No one can or should judge anorganization
> by the actions of a few. The only place many are judge by a few isin
> statistics (random sampling) and even then certain rules apply.The
> structure of the U.S. forces as an organization cannot be compared toany
> other force in the world. I will be standing by for you argument onthat
> point.
> United States Army as an organization struggled with someindividual
> Soldiers being bugged down by battle fatigue and reasons known toonly
> them for selfish acts. These go back to and beyond the My Laimassacre in
> vietnam killing about 200 men, women and children by LT Calley aswell as
> the Abu Ghraib prison scandal in Iraq to some other scandals in
> Afghanistan. These are some of the extremes of Soldier misconduct butin
> all instances these Soldiers face charges and were prosecuted forthe
> crimes they commit, may be a case of justice delayed but it isjustice
> served. Not even in the least of these crimes is it justified forany
> Soldier to engage in such heinous crimes and the punishments Ibelieve
> does not scratch the surface of the crimes committed. Look at howmany
> conflicts the U.S. Army has been in, for how long and the great
> accomplishments compare to the cases you are talking about. Thesecases
> don't happen often contrary to what you believe but the sad fact isthat
> they do happen which is inexcusable by any measure
> I won't even give you any case of Soldier misconduct in just Gambiaalone
> that went unpunished, but I know you have stories of those for daysto
> tell. Fact is, our generation has changed and so is a lot of thingswe
> know, do and believe. There is a severe lack of discipline inAfrican
> armies. Don't take that to mean the extreme case of indiscipline,look at
> the basic things. This is what made the U.S. army successful, wefocus on
> the basics. It will be had to succeed in anything unless you masterthe
> basics first. The best example of this is learning to write. No onecan
> ever construct a sentence unless you master the alphabets. The kindof
> training required and the amount of sacrifice required of a U.S.Soldier
> cannot be achieved without a whole lot of discipline on individual
> Soldiers.
> You may need to do more research on this line; "African armedforces
> boosts of more graduates than any other armed forces now as is thecase
> with more civilian African graduates than the western counterparts". I
> don't know where you get your information from but I know you don'teven
> believe that. I will take that as you trying to make conversation.lets
> not even mention the non-commisioned officer corps and the warrantofficer
> corps of the U.S. army, take into account that all commissionedofficers
> will not be commissioned/promoted to captain without a bachelorsdegree,
> and most field grade officers hold a masters degree. Majority ofthe
> general officers are doctorate degree holders. This force is aforce
> requires the best out of all Soldiers. Only the brightest make it tothe
> top brother and key to that is education. Our promotion andselection
> system is the best in the world until you get to general officerswhich is
> all politics. I will welcome your argument on that as well.
> Your conclusion on discipline and effectiveness is your views, Ithink you
> are putting too much emphasis on the word but my believe is that weas
> people cannot succeed in anything we do without discipline. Basicexample;
> most people graduated high school particularly in the Gambia because,they
> worked hard, study while other children are having fun doing otherthings.
> Spend countless hours preparing for exams while sacrificingpersonal
> times. This is all done through discipline unless you believe otherwise.
> Khaleel
>
> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 20:01:38 +0100
>
From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [G_L] FW: [G_L] President Morsi writes newconstitution
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Ya Khalell, Interesting write up, but what make you think
> the US Armed Forces is better discipline than any African Army. Imean
> what yardstick did you use, the number of prisoners and civiliansabused
> in Iraq, Afghanistan, Japan, etc. Apart from the coup plots, US
> forces have far more cases of ill discipline than any African armedforce,
> even that of present Gambia. You see armed forces are derived fromthe
> civil populace and generally the same discipline is carried into thearmed
> forces. Recently, the US sergeant major allegedly summarilyexecuted
> civilians in Afghanistan and those kind of incident happen very oftenin
> the western armed forces than any African army especially
> dictatorship. African armed forces boosts of more graduates
> than any other armed forces now as is the case with more civilianAfrican
> graduates than the western counter parts, so I do not know whatplanet you
> live that makes you think we are inferior to the US Armed forces.That is
> why my take that discipline and effective, only influencing factorson
> each other are not directly
> correlated. Thanks, Kejau >
>
>> Yero,I think the correlations between African armies andharassing
>
>> civilians can be greatly attributed to lack of discipline and
>
>> understanding of their purpose of existence. I believe that
> discipline and
>
>> effectiveness cannot be separated in any professionparticularly
> within
>
>> the armed forces. You cannot effectively run any organization
> without
>
>> establishing and enforcing discipline. This 9-letter word ismuch
> over
>
>> used and less understood. The reason why the United Statesarmy
> has
>
>> significant success is largely because of the discipline ofits
> Soldiers.
>
>> This is not to say that every Soldier in the United States Armyis
>
>> completely discipline in all aspects but there are established
> guidelines
>
>> under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), which setthe
>
>> conditions for a discipline force.I mention earlier about
> understanding
>
>> purpose, though the U.S. Army has reputable requirements to joinits
> Army,
>
>> each Soldier is required mainly to understand their assignedweapon
> and be
>
>> able to employ it, be physically fit but most importantly each
> Soldier
>
>> have a Military Occupation Specialty (MOS) which is their
> occupation
>
>> within the Army. These varies from engineers, mechanics,cooks,
> combat
>
>> arms etc……. I think this helps with productivityby
> utilizing the forces
>
>> to not only attempt to sustain themselves but also to assistwhen
> needed
>
>> while saving money doing some jobs that they are trained to do
> instead of
>
>> hiring extra help. On average a U.S Soldier will go to aschool
> before
>
>> every promotion especially senior ranks. These schools aredesigned
> to
>
>> teach anything from leadership, discipline and other relatedlessons
> as
>
>> deem necessary. A lot of effort is put into training but most
> importantly
>
>> discipline. My favorite story on discipline and understandingpurpose
> is
>
>> the duke of wellington and the young plough boy.There is aserious
> lack of
>
>> discipline, commitment and pride in many African Soldiers. Iam
> mostly
>
>> troubled by the level of education, training and understandingthe
> purpose
>
>> of the armed forces in Africa. The word army is utterlyassociated
> with
>
>> strength, built and power of an individual vise the organizationin
> which
>
>> one serves. You have to be this stocky build guy to be aSoldier,
> never
>
>> about what you know. Their officer corps is reserved strictlyfor
> fairly
>
>> educated people with a high school diploma. This coupled withlack
> of
>
>> experience is the reason we can’t produce military leadersthat
> can employ
>
>> critical thinking, make decisions that will benefit their
> organizations
>
>> for generations. There is also a problem that seniorcommanders
> don’t have
>
>> the latitude to make key decisions.Another aspect isadvancement
> and
>
>> promotions within the ranks. As Kejau mentioned earlier,promotions
> are
>
>> not in accordance with selecting the right person for the rightjob
> base
>
>> on qualifications. In any organization, if you do not promoteand
> advance
>
>> employees base on performance, knowledge and experience, youwill
> have
>
>> your thinking done by fools an your work by people who do notcare
> but
>
>> only collect checks.I believe that if the armies are properly
> aligned,
>
>> educated, provided for and given a specialty other thaninfantry
> they
>
>> would produce better results for our nations. I think the sameway
> Jammeh
>
>> utilized the Soldiers to work in his farm, the Gambia NationalArmy
> (GNA)
>
>> should consider buying farmlands and utilize Soldiers annuallyto
> produce
>
>> most of the rice and other foodstuff they consume. This willoccupy
> them
>
>> and improve productivity while cutting the cost of ourmilitary
> budget.
>
>> This can be done in areas of construction; carpentry and manyother
> areas
>
>> especially since we can’t even foresee war on the Gambianland.
> I also
>
>> think that the GNA should draw down its forces, revamp their
> requirements
>
>> for new recruits, review their budget and streamline theirservice
>
>> packages.Most African leaders are misguided when it comes toarmed
> forces.
>
>> The misconception of stockpiling of arms to defend theirfailed
> regimes at
>
>> the detriment of our development and safety. Take a countrylike
> Gambia,
>
>> all those weapons and armored vehicles are solely a show of forceto
> help
>
>> the president defend his absolute power against possibleattempts
> to
>
>> change his regime. Those same weapons were used to terrorizethe
> people,
>
>> massacre our elite citizens and students. Weapons that moreoften
> serve us
>
>> ill than good in within our borders.Military service anywhere inthe
> world
>
>> is attributed to love of country and the willingness to sacrificefor
> that
>
>> nation. It is about defending the people at any cost, it isabout
>
>> selflessness and the discipline required to know what’sright
> and execute
>
>> it even when no one is watching. It is about commitment,respect
> for
>
>> rules, regulations and policies understanding that wearing the
> uniform
>
>> does not put you above the law rather the law requires a lot outof
> you
>
>> based on your service to that nation which is solely yourchoice.I
> will
>
>> leave you with this; an American Soldier cannot drink or visit
> certain
>
>> establishments before he/she turns 21 but an American Soldierwill,
> is
>
>> prepared to and have died in the defense of his/her nation underthe
> age
>
>> of 21 paying the ultimate sacrifice.KhaleelDate: Sat, 24 Nov2012
> 22:24:58
>
>> -0600
>
>>
>
>
From: [log in to unmask]
>
>> Subject: Re: [G_L] FW: [G_L] President Morsi writes new
> constitution
>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Kejau:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I made the
>
>> comment in reference to your military background; a positionof
> lieutenant
>
>> in
>
>> Gambian standard must have been a great achievement in themilitary
> before
>
>> Jammeh. Recent promotions by jammeh are thoughtfully just
> "shameful"
>
>> as they are strictly base on loyalty to jammeh than merit. Iregret
> that I
>
>> never joined the military myself. Three years ago, I had to makea
> tough
>
>> choice
>
>> between joining the US military and another opportunity. Iended
> up
>
>> defaulting
>
>> to the other opportunity. I have a lot of admiration to thosethat
>
>> sincerely
>
>> served.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> That said,
>
>> actually nah! I wasn't trying to tell you that all you can
> participate in
>
>> is
>
>> the topic on the military, so you and I can debate about other
> topics. In
>
>> fact,
>
>> it is out of respect that I ask you to add your lines.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Kejau: I am
>
>> simply a shepherd. That is my expertise. I am endeavoring toadd
> other
>
>> things
>
>> to my plate. When I grow up, I would like to be a scientist.During
> my
>
>> leisure
>
>> times I enjoy debating online despite being one of the busiestyou
> can
>
>> find
>
>> around. Years ago, I met with Town crier and he inspired me. AsI
> checked
>
>> to
>
>> see all about his life, I realized town crier with all his noisewas
> a
>
>> worthy
>
>> person because he makes noise about happenings that affectsthe
> daily
>
>> lives of
>
>> individuals especially the oppressed. Town crier needed my helpand
> I
>
>> promised
>
>> him ‘till death do us part.’
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> On Africa's
>
>> military, I am disappointed most of the times. I wholly sharethe
> views
>
>> expressed by DA Jawo. I witnessed certain episodes in theGambia
> where
>
>> some of
>
>> the military did blunders and showed no respect at all tocivilians.
> It is
>
>> very
>
>> common to see uniformed men directing insults, beating andkicking
>
>> civilians. In a recent interview with former lieutenant
>
>> Binneh s. Minteh now adjunct professor, he believes that more
> disciplinary
>
>> courses should be added to some of these military courses.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Most of
>
>> these coups and counter coups owe themselves to indisciplineeven
> though
>
>> we
>
>> cannot dispute a part coming from corrupt Governments andleaders.
> The
>
>> part
>
>> where Africa’s military like some of these elements dealtwith
> students at
>
>> the
>
>> beaches, interschool’s sports, April 10th/11th,
> etc…just
>
>> shows the level of indiscipline that Minteh thinks can bearrested
> with
>
>> inclusion of more disciplinary courses in the militarycurriculum.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Most
>
>> recently, we were stocked with Dadis; forget about the Yaya forone
> bit.
>
>> What
>
>> the trends shows is that even though Gambia’s militarytake
> training from
>
>> advanced places like Turkey, we are still way behind. The trendalso
> shows
>
>> likelihood
>
>> that such problem of coups will continue as every small birdadmires
> the
>
>> bigger
>
>> bird getting the fat worms.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Back at
>
>> you, is it possible to continually keep the military at thebarracks?
> Is
>
>> it
>
>> possible to get the military to a standard where theywon’t
> bully
>
>> civilians?
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Thanks for
>
>> the debate and here I reproduce DA’s whole piece as carriedby
> Kibaaro
>
>> news. It
>
>> is open for debate. Feel free to weigh in on any forward and thatis
> goal.
>
>> I
>
>> will promise to discuss on the Muslim brotherhood next time.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Best regards,
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Yero
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> [A
>
>> prominent Gambian journalist has said that African armies haveproven
> to
>
>> be
>
>> bullies of local populations rather defending the territorial
> integrity of
>
>> their respective countries.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> “African armies are just good at one
>
>> thing, which is to constantly intimidate and harass the local
> population,”
>
>> writes Demba Ali Jawo on his Facebook page.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> “We have seen it happen in almost
>
>> all African countries, with the soldiers subjecting theunarmed
> civilians
>
>> to
>
>> all sorts of harassment for no justifiable reasons. Yet, whenit
> comes to
>
>> defending the territorial integrity of the country, they just
> abandon
>
>> their
>
>> arms and run away.”
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Mr. Jawo believes that “until
>
>> African armies and other security outfits begin to treat thecivil
>
>> population
>
>> with respect and dignity, they will never in turn get therespect
> and
>
>> adoration
>
>> that they deserve from the people, and as such, their moraleand
> aptitude
>
>> to
>
>> fight will continue to be low.”
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> He said what is going on in eastern
>
>> Democratic Republic of Congo is yet another shameful enigma of
> African
>
>> armies
>
>> because “it is hard to imagine how a rag-tag rebel armycould
> so easily
>
>> over-run Goma, capital of North Kivu from the government armyand
> the
>
>> so-called
>
>> UN peacekeepers, hardly meeting any resistance. Of course, whenthe
> rebel
>
>> says
>
>> that they are on their way to Kinshasa, then no one shoulddeny
> it.”
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Such a scenario, he added, has once
>
>> again “clearly demonstrated the weakness of African
> armies.” He said
>
>> African
>
>> armies on the surface appear “brave and capable ofdefending
> their
>
>> countries
>
>> against any foreign threats” when most of them in realityare
> nothing but
>
>> a
>
>> “bunch of cowards ready to flee at the slightest sensingof
> danger.”
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Jawo said such a weakness recently
>
>> happened in Mali where the army overthrew the government onthe
> pretext
>
>> that it
>
>> was not doing enough to equip them fight against the Touregrebels,
> but
>
>> only to
>
>> run helter-skelter when the rebels approached and within a weekof
> them
>
>> [rebels] taking over the country, forcing them to abandon theentire
> north
>
>> to
>
>> the very rebels.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> “We have also seen what is going on
>
>> in northern Kenya where a group of lightly armed herdsmenrecently
> wiped
>
>> out an
>
>> entire company of heavily armed Kenyan troops, only for the armyto
> turn
>
>> their
>
>> anger on the civilian population, beating and even killing somein
>
>> retaliation,” Jawo observed.]
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 01:10:18 +0100
>
>>
>
>
From: [log in to unmask]
>
>> Subject: Re: [G_L] FW: [G_L] President Morsi writes new
> constitution
>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>>
>
>> Yero,
>
>> I was not calling you lame but your take on the
>
>> issue. Military in Africa is my expertise, eh. Very interesting,but
> what
>
>> is yours expertise then. No pun intended, but what makes youthink
> that is
>
>> my expertise and nothing else, I take it that means I shouldstick to
> that
>
>> and only that and not talk about other issues.
>
>> Well as we ask in the
>
>> military is that a request or an order, as some in African
> military
>
>> mayfind it very arrogant especially after calling me immature.
> Apologies,
>
>> but I am saying "let me hear your take on Africa's
>
>> military being that it is your expertise." can be arrogantin
>
>> some quarter especially in my "expertise", i.e. inthe
> African
>
>> military. Just kidding though, so will give you my take when andif I
> can
>
>> find time.
>
>> Kind
>
>> regards,
>
>> Kejau
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>> Kejau: I am not sure you want to pursue on this lame andlazy
> line
>
>>
>
>>> eventhough I don't expect you to apologize. All I am pointingto
> is
>
>> that
>
>>
>
>>> you can debate without calling me any name like lame. Wehave
> too
>
>> much
>
>>
>
>>> humor on these debates added to the fact of taking pointsthat
> I
>
>> won't
>
>>
>
>>> call any genuine person lame. To start to call anyone aname,
> you
>
>> risked
>
>>
>
>>> being called a worst name and not even an ant will tremblefrom
> it.
>
>> I
>
>>
>
>>> clearly see that not only as immature but defeats thepurpose
> of
>
>> debating
>
>>
>
>>> here. Anyway, I won't push hard on that point. let usdebate
> still
>
>> and
>
>>
>
>>> clearly no heart feeling. Good job on talking about thecourts
> and
>
>> that is
>
>>
>
>>> my expectation. If you dig well, you will notice, most ofmy
> forwards
>
>> are
>
>>
>
>>> to provoke debates which is the reason why we have these
> forums.
>
>> Those
>
>>
>
>>> open to dialogue can participate with their ideas on some
> matters
>
>> that
>
>>
>
>>> appeal to them. If something doesn't appeal to you, let it
> pass.
>
>> There is
>
>>
>
>>> no need to raise blood pressure on some of these leaderslike
> Morsi.
>
>> I
>
>>
>
>>> share Sidia Jatta's views on the Arab spring. You and Ihave
> our
>
>> problems
>
>>
>
>>> in the Gambia. Some of these leaders you will agreefailed.
> When
>
>> jammeh
>
>>
>
>>> came to power, (you as a former Military, Lt. title) attestto
> the
>
>> fact of
>
>>
>
>>> some of these shameful toad-metamorphosis, baby stages in
> toads.
>
>> "You
>
>>
>
>>> could have just forwarded the CNN report and let thereaders
> read
>
>> for
>
>>
>
>>> themselves rather than take their side and their story and
> then
>
>> without
>
>>
>
>>> adding any of your own observations critically."Kejau.
> Kejau:
>
>> Don't fail
>
>>
>
>>> to realize that I am equally a reader and entitled to thesame
> basic
>
>> right
>
>>
>
>>> you want to accord to other readers. Kejau, in America,there
> is
>
>>
>
>>> somnething we call 'democracy of the people, by the peopleand
> for
>
>> the
>
>>
>
>>> people.' A single person uniformed in the presidencyshouldn't
> decide
>
>> for
>
>>
>
>>> all. These duck movements and baby steps heads no wherebut
>
>> dictatorial.
>
>>
>
>>> Thanks for input on this one, let me hear your take on
> Africa's
>
>> military
>
>>
>
>>> being that it is your expertise. Best regards,Yero
>
>>
>
>>> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 22:58:12 +0100
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>
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>>> Yero, You wrote "My take is that you wrote that
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>>> and near, there is no question about it being a duck
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>>> Suntou". Now that is lame and lazy of you in my
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>>> books. In the same vein, you are pointing at what CNNreported
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>>> without critically analyzing the issue being reported. Youcould
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>>> forwarded the CNN report and let the readers read for
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>>> than take their side and their story and then without addingany
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>>> own observations critically. You see the CNN reports failedto
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>>> report that there are demonstration for and against these
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>>> courts, all which were appointed by Mubarak arefrustrating
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>>> making as well as interpretation. The president, the only
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>>> should be the law maker in lieu of the parliament, and thefight
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>>> ensues. Instead of three arms of government, there are two
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>>> the courts and now who assumes law making, which cannot beleft
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>>> vacuum...If they do not want the president assuming
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>>> the legislature. Kejau >
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>>>> Subject: [G_L] FW: [G_L] President Morsi writes new
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>>>> You said, "That is so lame." Please explainwhat
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>>>> Kejau----please explain because I am truly not getting
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>>>> Yero
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>>>> Subject: Re: [G_L] President Morsi writes newconstitution
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>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
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>>>> Yero,
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>>>> Thanks,
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>>>> Kejau
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>>>>> Minister Suntou: Thanks for your input. Not sosoon
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>>>>> debate. If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duckfrom
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>>>> near,
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>>>>> there is no question about it being a duck Suntou.While
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