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Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]>
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Thanks Cousin Haruna.. Great statement on the devil... a devil is just that
- the devil...

Have a great weekend

Demba


On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 5:03 AM, Haruna <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I share your sentiments in their entirety Demba. You just shared the
> definition of Democracy in a nutshell.
>
>  Haruna.
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: dbaldeh <[log in to unmask]>
> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thu, Oct 31, 2013 10:27 pm
> Subject: Re: Two years since the end of the US-NATO war in Libya
>
>  Good article guys and thanks for sharing. I think the responsibility of
> rebuilding their country, Protecting their natural resources and building a
> democracy squarely lies in the hands of the Libyan people. They were given
> a chance when a mad dictator was smoked out. How they move forward is their
> choice.
>
>  The easy choice is to blame the imperialists and fail to man up to build
> your country like they did when they had the opportunity.
>
>  If offered the same in Gambia will we turn it down? If it is good for us
> why not them.
>
>  Thanks always
>
>  Demba
>
>
>  From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network.
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Husainou <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 10/31/2013 6:11 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [G_L] Two years since the end of the US-NATO war in Libya
>
>
>   Great piece . All along I've questioned the accomplishment of the Arab
> Spring . It was suppose to be a revolution rather than revenge . I'm no
> pundit . This is just how I see it. This whole thing makes me believe in
> the old saying "the devil you know is better than the devil you know" .
> Hous
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 31, 2013, at 8:38 AM, Fye Samateh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>   Two years since the end of the US-NATO war in Libya 31 October 2013
> Today, October 31, 2013, marks two years since the official end of the
> US-NATO war for regime change in Libya. It is highly unlikely that this
> second anniversary will be marked with any fanfare in Washington, the
> capitals of Western Europe or Libya itself.
> The nearly eight-month-long war achieved its goal of toppling the regime
> of Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, whose murder by a mob of NATO-backed “rebels”
> prompted President Barack Obama to proclaim from the White House Rose
> Garden that this grisly event signaled the advent of “a new and democratic
> Libya.”
> Two years later, there is no sign of any such Libya. The country bombarded
> by the US military and its European allies is in an advanced state of
> disintegration. It was reported Monday that oil production, which is
> responsible for virtually all of the country’s export earnings and over
> half of its gross domestic product, has fallen to 90,000 barrels per day,
> less than a tenth of the pre-war level.
> Major installations have been seized by armed militias. In eastern Libya,
> these militias advocate the country’s partition into the three regional
> governorates—Cyrenaica, Tripolitania and Fezzan—maintained under the
> colonial regime of fascist Italy.
> According to best estimates, there are nearly one-quarter of a million
> militiamen who are armed and paid by the Libyan government but operate with
> complete impunity under the direction of Islamist and regional warlords.
> The warlords constitute the principal power in the country.
> Clashes between these militias, attacks on the government, and
> assassinations of its officials are routine. Earlier this month, Libyan
> Prime Minister Ali Zeidan was himself abducted by an Islamist militia that
> acted in protest over the October 5 abduction of alleged Al Qaeda operative
> Abu Anas al-Liby by US Special Operations troops.
> Thousands of Libyans as well as sub-Saharan African migrant workers are
> being held incommunicado in makeshift prisons controlled by the militias,
> subjected to torture and killings.
> Conditions for the masses of the oil-rich nation remain abysmal, with a
> real unemployment rate estimated at over 30 percent. One million people,
> many of them supporters of the former regime, remain internally displaced.
> The continuation of this chaos two years after the end of the war reflects
> the character of the war itself.
> The US and its principal NATO allies, Britain and France, launched the war
> on the pretense that it was a humanitarian intervention, designed only to
> protect innocent lives. Based on unsubstantiated claims that a government
> massacre of a rebellious population in the eastern city of Benghazi was
> imminent without immediate intervention, the NATO powers pushed Resolution
> 1973 through the United Nations Security Council, authorizing them to
> impose a no-fly zone and “take all necessary measures” to protect civilians.
> This served as the pseudo-legal fig leaf for an imperialist war of
> aggression that killed an estimated 50,000 Libyan civilians and wounded at
> least that number. This war was patently not about saving lives. Rather, it
> was a war of neocolonial plunder, its principal objective being to topple
> the Gaddafi regime and impose a more pliant puppet in its place.
> Washington and its allies instigated the war in large measure as a
> strategic response to the outbreak of mass uprisings by the working class
> against Western-backed regimes in Tunisia, on Libya’s western border, and
> Egypt, on its eastern border. The aim was to halt the spread of revolution
> and reassert US and Western European hegemony in the region, while
> supplanting the economic and political influence of China and Russia and
> seizing a more direct hold on Libya’s energy reserves.
> Of great significance is the fact that the attempt of the imperialist
> powers to mask the war’s neocolonial character was assisted by a whole
> layer of pseudo-left forces in both Europe and the US.
> These elements, including groups such as the New Anti-capitalist Party
> (NPA) in France, the Socialist Workers Party in Britain and the
> International Socialist Organization in the US, cast the imperialist war
> against Libya as not merely a “humanitarian” intervention, but a
> “revolution” by the Libyans themselves.
> These elements remain silent on the present-day state of Libya, and for
> good reason. The country’s disintegration into fiefdoms of rival militia
> warlords, the paralysis of its economy, and the poverty of its people are
> all proof that what they supported in Libya in 2011 was not a “revolution,”
> but an imperialist rape.
> The regime that was placed in power enjoys no authority, precisely because
> it owes its office not to a popular revolutionary uprising, but to a
> sustained US-NATO bombing campaign, supplemented by the operations of
> Islamist militia forces, many of them connected to Al Qaeda, which served
> under the direction of US, British, French and Qatari special forces
> operatives as NATO’s ground troops.
> Two years after the war in Libya, this same pseudo-left layer has
> continued to promote the imperialist intervention for regime-change in
> Syria—once again celebrating the machinations of the CIA, Saudi Arabia,
> Qatar and Turkey, together with the sectarian atrocities committed by Al
> Qaeda-led militias, as a “revolution.”
> These groups use these wars to cement even closer connections to their own
> governments and ruling elites. Their politics—indistinguishable in all
> essentials from those of the CIA and the Obama administration—reflect the
> interests of a privileged upper-middle class layer that has become a new
> constituency for imperialism.
> While the US-NATO war succeeded in toppling and murdering Gaddafi and
> reducing much of Libya to rubble, the imperialist aims of plundering the
> country’s oil wealth and turning it into a platform for US hegemony in the
> region are far from realized.
> Reflecting deep concerns within US ruling circles and Washington’s
> intelligence agencies, *Washington Post* columnist David Ignatius wrote
> last week that Libya represented “a case study of why America’s influence
> has receded in the Middle East.” He indicted the Obama administration for
> having failed to take “steps over the past two years [that] might have
> limited the country’s descent toward anarchy.”
> Meanwhile, two years after the withdrawal of American troops, Iraq is
> descending into civil war, with casualties approaching the record levels
> reached during the US occupation. In Syria, the Obama administration found
> itself compelled to retreat from the direct use of US military force in the
> face of overwhelming popular opposition both at home and abroad, driven by
> the immense hostility to the previous wars waged, in the interests of the
> financial oligarchy, on the basis of lies.
> While this crisis has interfered with Washington’s timetable for war in
> Syria, in the final analysis, it makes even more catastrophic
> conflagrations not less, but more likely. This threat must be answered
> through the building of a new mass antiwar movement, based on the working
> class and directed against the capitalist profit system, the source of war
> and militarism.
> Bill Van Auken
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