National Face - an organization representing us on a democratic agenda.
I read that story/article. I can only propose and put my ideas out there.
That's my civic responsibility.
Burama
On Sunday, October 26, 2014, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Burama, What do you mean by a National Face? Leadership, Organization, or
> what? Certainly these things are not going to fix themselves.. just saying
> we don't have one or asking the questions will not solve anything.. We need
> to walk the walk and talk the talk... It brings me down to the story of the
> four men, the nobody, the anybody, the somebody, and everybody... we are
> all good at expecting others to do it while we sit by... who will do it for
> us???
>
> Demba
>
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Burama Jammeh <[log in to unmask]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> wrote:
>
>> Can democratic work because we've good men and women in government?
>>
>> I guess good is a relative term here!
>>
>> Burama
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, October 26, 2014, Burama Jammeh <[log in to unmask]
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> wrote:
>>
>>> I suggest you initiate a discussion around this issue.
>>>
>>> Surely we will always have a leader - that's not the point. In fact is
>>> indispensable- no wonder we are still milling around.
>>>
>>> However where we stand today - -asking all to rally behind either
>>> Burama, Yahya, Ousainou, Halifa, Henry, etc. to first put them in office
>>> a the problem. That may not likely work well for all and the prove is in
>>> our own history. Ask Edward Singhateh today. On the other hand is easy to
>>> say I/we will coordinate but what is there to coordinate in the first place.
>>>
>>> For me there is no indifference to make Gambia a functioning democratic
>>> republic - you mentioned the elements earlier on. Who would say no those?
>>> Why then didn't we call upon those? Equally many will go for election
>>> reform agenda than an agenda promoting a candidacy of a person.
>>>
>>>
>>> We are talking the same - except I want us to rearrange the puzzle so
>>> all the pieces can be at the right place. ( its a jumbled up puzzle- we
>>> arrange it fits and we don't a heap of mess)
>>>
>>> I proposed a Natuonal Face - I don't see much need for geographic
>>> organizations besides supporting role to the national. But the national
>>> cannot be about electing someone at this point - it will not work. Not
>>> because I wouldn't want such outcome than what obtains. The current
>>> environment is not design to let that happen - so why are we fighting
>>> over it.
>>>
>>> Please initiate a national discussion
>>>
>>> Burama
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 26, 2014, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Throughout history leadership has always been critical... A system
>>>> cannot be created without someone, some people leading it, equally true,
>>>> leaders cannot be effective without that system of checks and balances...
>>>> We shouldn't be afraid to lead or be willing to be led... System/leadership
>>>> is like the chicken and the egg... which one comes first... ???
>>>>
>>>> Demba
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Burama Jammeh <[log in to unmask]
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I agree with all you said about what is needed. I have the feeling
>>>>> many would agree too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our problem - instead of directly go after those, we want to
>>>>> politically to elevate someone to do that for us. In theory that works but
>>>>> in practice hardly. Regardless of whether that will work or not the needed
>>>>> mobilization/organization is not likely going to happen we are all in it
>>>>> for someone or self.
>>>>>
>>>>> Creating a level playing field - a democratic republic. You already
>>>>> gave some/all what it means. This is common to us all!
>>>>>
>>>>> The more important part of your submission - how do we ensure the
>>>>> creation of that level playing field.
>>>>>
>>>>> My thought of forest counter fire comes handy. Few foresters and their
>>>>> laborers can't contain such huge fire - but can limit loses by ending it at
>>>>> some place with a counter fire.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's to say we're coming from weakness so can't directly confront
>>>>> Yahya. We have to have/develop some leverage for him to agree reform
>>>>> agenda. To do so we need to come together around an agenda. That agenda
>>>>> will dictate who is qualify enough to represent us. Surely the order in
>>>>> which we put all the pieces together may not follow as I stated but at some
>>>>> point those ingredients are needed for it to work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Am sure my views are not new to you!
>>>>>
>>>>> Burama
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, October 26, 2014, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Organize to get our citizens actively engage in the political, social
>>>>>> and economic discourse for our country. The goal to me is once many people
>>>>>> are actively engaged the people will be able to pave a path. I am for
>>>>>> putting political pressure to force the regime to institute political
>>>>>> reform. Enfranchise the Gambian diaspora, decriminalize free speech, allow
>>>>>> active political activities without much restriction, institute term
>>>>>> limits... Your question is How Do We do this? That will be the central
>>>>>> agenda... citizens will explore the best way forward... we -the citizens -
>>>>>> will create the platform free of political patronage or affiliation... the
>>>>>> goal is to create some degree of level playing field..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you suggest? We have many people ready and willing....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Demba
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Burama Jammeh <
>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like your optimist. I also like the efforts to organize.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The problem though still remain what are we organizing for. I also
>>>>>>> think 'that what question' makes organizing elude us over the last 20
>>>>>>> years. By and large we all clinched on to an interest and each assumes that
>>>>>>> interest is the best route to the ultimate goal. That's a possibility but
>>>>>>> not guaranteed- and if African/Gambian politics is any measure that's not a
>>>>>>> likely outcome.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am for direct organization against that ultimate goal while every
>>>>>>> interest group can remain you use the new found level playing field to your
>>>>>>> advantage freely and fairly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am always ready - if for nothing but self. Am packed to go back home
>>>>>>> but couldn't for fear of my life. So I've skin in the game beyond
>>>>>>> simply being a citizen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope to play my part and continue to share my views as I see it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Burama
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 26, 2014, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeap Burama. All the signs are there we just need to organize and
>>>>>>>> organize. Let's get the ball rolling. I think a lot of Gambians have come
>>>>>>>> to terms that we need change and if we don't bring that change through our
>>>>>>>> actions, change will be imposed on us again. Changing a government of any
>>>>>>>> kind which has grip on power is a difficult task... So again, I encourage
>>>>>>>> you to take a lead, let's not wait for someone to lead us, let's call for
>>>>>>>> discussions and actions... currently there is citizens again rallying
>>>>>>>> around a common purpose - mobilizing resources and fight at a position of
>>>>>>>> strength. We need the resources and the organization to get something
>>>>>>>> done... Are you up to a challenge to start organizing now? It is going to
>>>>>>>> take several attempts to get the right forces to take off but as long as we
>>>>>>>> don't stop we can make way... I look forward to joining like minded folks
>>>>>>>> to organize and organize...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Demba
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Burama Jammeh <
>>>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's exactly part of that technique - those fighting forest fires
>>>>>>>>> know wind direction and intensity.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Burama
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 26, 2014, Malanding Jaiteh <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Interesting way to counter fire but wise to check where the wind
>>>>>>>>>> is blowing before starting the back fire.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Says an old forester
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>>>>>>>> From: Burama Jammeh
>>>>>>>>>> Date:26/10/2014 12:40 (GMT-05:00)
>>>>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [G_L] What Should We Do?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Would you be surprised if/when Yahya decreed marriage/divorce and
>>>>>>>>>> their terms? Would that be a trigger for you?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What would you do then, if anything?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When I worked at Forestry - we used back firing as a technique to
>>>>>>>>>> counter an advancing wildfire. Just a thought - how can we counter Yahya
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Burama
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, October 25, 2014, Burama Jammeh <
>>>>>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yahya overthrew our government - we didn't stop and some even
>>>>>>>>>>> rejoice over it! Probably they never like Yahya but their hate for Jawara
>>>>>>>>>>> was overriding. The same such traits are in our midst with our so called
>>>>>>>>>>> struggle.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yahya illegality humiliated our people in the streets of Banjul
>>>>>>>>>>> and his kangaroo courts!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yahya unlawfully fired/hired our people from their earned
>>>>>>>>>>> government jobs!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Some killed, other disappeared mysteriously and some in exile -
>>>>>>>>>>> no one is brought to justice over any or most of these events and our
>>>>>>>>>>> national security budget is larger than agriculture and health combined.
>>>>>>>>>>> For who's security all our meager tax dalasis are paying?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yahya has put public and private real estate to his name all
>>>>>>>>>>> across the country? Great leaders are measured for how much they improve
>>>>>>>>>>> the quality of livelihood of their people. If Yahya thinks Gambians buying
>>>>>>>>>>> ram, sugar and bread from one of his many outlets and/or turn the lands I
>>>>>>>>>>> his so called farms is development - we are probably taken aback
>>>>>>>>>>> pre-colonial era.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Recently Yahya ordered his arms men to stopped Muslims from
>>>>>>>>>>> praying at their chosen dates, time and places. By accepting such or fold
>>>>>>>>>>> behind our house doors - I question national commitment to faith. Although
>>>>>>>>>>> am probably the least moral Gambian but how about the teaching of Islam. I
>>>>>>>>>>> thought that should have been his last day in office if in fact he still
>>>>>>>>>>> hold alive. Oh my/our Gambia.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What is left before we take our land? Waiting for so called
>>>>>>>>>>> triggers? Who're we that we can't seem to see the real problem? Each of us
>>>>>>>>>>> owe it to our people to take that nation forward - what have you done?
>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't it a shame with all the quality behind the names of people that come
>>>>>>>>>>> to mind in a second? Why are we so divided over the only thing that define
>>>>>>>>>>> us as a citizen of a nation? Why insisting over matters that are naturally
>>>>>>>>>>> divisive world over?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Fellows lets come up with ideas/solutions of the REAL ISSUE!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We will never agree on the presidency of anyone person, no
>>>>>>>>>>> matter how idealistic we justify such a first step.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> However, regardless of who is in power, we as citizens have
>>>>>>>>>>> legitimate claims to make of our republic - with the right organization and
>>>>>>>>>>> mobilization we can push any government behind the laws of our people.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A democratic republic regardless Yahya or Burama is the
>>>>>>>>>>> president or anyone else for that matter.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Although not our intent but our current strategies, if works,
>>>>>>>>>>> will result to removal of one dictate to be replace by another, even if
>>>>>>>>>>> that new guy/gal is Burama Jammeh. Our problem is one individual but a
>>>>>>>>>>> systemic problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Let's make our legitimate claim and never avoid it because is
>>>>>>>>>>> hard.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Burama
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, October 24, 2014, Burama Jammeh <
>>>>>>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you counting on next elections to remove Yahya?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you hoping that Yahya will evaporate in thin-air?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you hoping that venting frustration about him will bring
>>>>>>>>>>>> him to sanity to give up his grip over state?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you hoping/wishing somebody will remove Yahya for us? Who's
>>>>>>>>>>>> s/he?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Even if all or any of these happen- what's the best likely
>>>>>>>>>>>> outcome? Those that outcome meet your goal? In fact what's your/our goal?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please tell us one thing we could do that will lead us to what
>>>>>>>>>>>> you thing is the goal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Burama
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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