Haruna Darboe,

You still seem bend to continue with your nonsense.    Reconnoitre! In your
dreams.  I will ignore your nonsense for now, but as i said before we will
crawl again if you continue.   Let whoever are the managers or manager take
note.

Mboge




On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>  Modou Olly Mboge,
>
> Now that you have shared your private mail to Ginny with us here at Ellen,
> allow me to share some ideas with you on it. You can be funny sometimes
> without even knowing it.
>
> [-----Original Message----- From: Modou Mboge [log in to unmask] To:
> GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
>
> Sent: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:56 am Subject: Re: Clarification Was Re: List
> Manager(s), Please stop this senselessness! Ginny Quick,
>  Keep rambling and i knew you will resort to me sending you threats.] Olly
> Mboge.
>
> You knew Ginny will complain of you sending her threatening email, but you
> sent it anyway??????????? You must realise just as it is your purview to
> interpret mail sent to you in private or public, it is Ginny's purview to
> interpret mail sent to her in private or in public. That is how our world
> revolves. Threat is in the eye of the beholder. You may not determine what
> constitutes a threat to Ginny or other or what does not constitute a threat
> to them. Only a bully will reserve rights of interpretation to himself and
> deny others the right to such interpretation. That is what a dictator is
> adept at doing. In this instance, even though you KNEW that Ginny would
> perceive your mail as threat, YOU ISSUED it nonetheless. Do you think you
> belong here with us with such an attitude? We cannot participate in your
> wanton threatening of other nor in your wanton bully of any in our number.
> That will be delinquent of all of us as a community. I encourage you to
> reconnoitre right before it is too late. I encourage Laye to afford you wise
> counsel or save us the delinquency.
>
> [But this is the mail I sent in private because of obvious reasons: Ginny,
> *I do not desire to associate with you.] Olly Mboge.*
> **
> *By your mere voluntary subscription to Ellen, and by Ginny's mere
> voluntary subscription to Ellen, you two have made a choice to associate
> with each other, the feigns notwithstanding. It is therefore not significant
> for you to share with us that you do not wish to associate with Ginny
> but threaten and bully her. The way you complete non-association with Ginny
> is to voluntarily unsubscribe from Ellen where Ginny is. Now if she follows
> you to whatever cave you travel to, then she will have been harassing you as
> you fear. And law-enforcement will have been the appropriate recourse. Not
> threats and bully.*
> **
> *[I am only copying this mail to you because of your usual deliberate
> attempt to misrepresent as well as the fact that my mails as per your
> requested are being censored.] Olly Mboge.*
> **
> *Mboge I think you may be mistaken. The only way you would be certain that
> you were censored because of a request by Ginny is if the Judge of Censure,
> in this case Laye, were to share that with you. If he did, it would have
> been gross negligence and odious insincerity on Laye's part. And I do not
> think Laye would share that information with you or ANYONE ELSE. Besides the
> fact that you were given the information that you were censored because of
> Ginny's objections, you will agree with me that Laye will not make a
> decision against you based only on Ginny's complaints. That will be
> egregious on Laye's part and high delinquency as the dictator of Ellen. And
> if it turns out that you threatened Ginny because you think she was the
> reason for your censure, then Laye would have participated in that crime. I
> encourage you and Laye to reconnoitre right and save your fellow community
> members from wanton graffignette and dishonour.*
> **
> *[I hope you will not start crying victim and that i am sending you
> private mail.] Olly Mboge.*
> **
> *There is hardly a good reason for Ginny to cry victim for receiving
> private mail from you or other. When anyone receives unwanted private mail,
> first you block the sender from sending them to you. If the private mail is
> of a criminal nature, you advise your local law enforcement. Even if the two
> concerned parties live in separate countries, local law enforcement knows
> how to handle international e-crime. This is how good community members help
> in deterring crime and prosecuting criminals. Not crying about it. *
> **
> *[This is the first and perhaps the last mail I will ever send you
> privately.] Olly Mboge.*
> **
> *This is magnanimous on your part Mboge. Or at the very least, when you
> send private mail to anyone, do not send threats along with it. It is
> encouraging for you to decide on your own accord not to send private mail to
> our friend Ginny.*
> *
> **[Your type irks me and i do not have time for hypocrites.] Olly Mboge.*
> **
> *It is relieving that you have decided not to send private mail to our
> friend Ginny who does not appreciate private threatening mail from you.*
> **
> *[I know you are adept to innuendoes so i will let you be.] Olly Mboge.*
> **
> *I did not see where Ginny issued an innuendo against you Mboge. And for
> what its worth, innuendos are casting aspersions (generally falsehoods)
> against other without direct reference to their identity.*
> **
> *[To you it is mere disagreement, for me if someone chooses to
> persistently bully or harass me, i will do whatever is necessary to snuff
> the life out of that person.] Olly Mboge.*
> **
> *Mboge, maybe the English language and sobriety gives you mirages. Let me
> share an idea or two with you on this. Because, and as you have admitted,
> bullying and harassment are in the eyes of the beholder, before you decide
> to snuff the life out of any person (that is if you are capable of that) you
> must make sure they are actually bullying and harassing you and that it was
> not a figment of your warped imagination. The best thing is to report your
> anxieties to your local law enforcement because they will be able to share
> ideas with you as to what constitutes bullying and harassment. You must not
> rely on your own judgement (which is suspect) to exact punishment on other.
> The world does not work that way. If it did, you would not have found other
> humans here.*
> **
> *[Call it whatever you want.] Olly Mboge.*
> **
> *That again is Ginny's purview.*
> **
> *[You refuse to acknowledge that i have consistently avoided, ignored the
> jibes and have told your friend i do find him calling me names amusing.]
> Olly Mboge.*
> **
> *Do not. Even though this is innuendo against Haruna, I am not aversed by
> it. To respond to your allegation of name-calling, You Mboge have called me
> and others names oodles of times. Sometimes I have even advised you not to
> call me names. So is it that no one can call you names but YOU can call
> others names????????????????????????? That is the $64,000 question. And you
> must realize that whenever someone offends you, you should try to figure out
> if that offense may have been done in retaliation to your offending that
> person. Given that you accord yourself extraordinary privileges of
> discernment and wish to deny your fellows those same privileges, it is no
> wonder you're a cry-baby here.
>
> [I sure know what is a mere disagreement and someone who gets kicks on
> trying to belittle, harass and bully.] Olly Mboge.*
> **
> *Your fellows also have the same privileges to discern mere disagreement
> and wanton gaucherie.*
> **
> *[I am not surprise of what you wrote, i will never succumb to bullying
> and harassment and will do whatever is necessary to defend myself from such
> creatures.] Olly Mboge.*
> **
> *Just be sure you're defending yourself from harrasment and bully Mboge.
> QUit throwing tantrums for no reason.*
> **
> If I didn't have religion I'd say you need mental help.
>
> [Now Ginny you  said perhaps i should have written  "shut them up" or
> "silence them" or "take all necessary action to insure that they do not
> bully or harass anyone else again". Since i care less if you give the
> benefit of the doubt or can't this your suggestions be interpretted anyone
> the way they want to.] Olly Mboge.
>
> That's the idea Mboge. Anyone can interpret anything however they desire or
> as it suits their fancy. So what happened is humanity established some
> standards and laws to take the ambiguity in interpretation out of a good
> number of situations in human life, alone or in community.
>
> [All these can be interpreted as violence.] Olly Mboge.
>
> I do not interpret them as violence by themselves. I have to read the
> context in which they were said. That means I have to read the entire story
> or the paragraphs preceding and following those comments Mboge. That is how
> you determine if a certain comment is violent or not. You cannot life
> statements and comments out of context and claim they are violent and then
> go about rampaging through the street snuffing the life out of anyone who
> issues those statements or comments. The world in Norway does not work that
> way. And Norway is an exemplary society to live in.
>
> [As i said i have no time for hypocrites and their innuendoes and will let
> you enjoy your usual playing the victim.] Olly Mboge.
>
> I encourage you to consider this comment against someone you victimize. It
> is not your place, especially after victimizing someone, to discount their
> chagrin as "playing the victim".
>
> Later Mboge.
> Haruna.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:57 AM, Ginny Quick <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>
>> Greetings, all, I wanted to clarify my earlier message, as I've begun
>> to get private emails regarding it.  Firstly, I'm sorry if in referring
>> to Mboge's comments alone that it seemed as though I was taking any
>> sides in this matter, because I am not.  I've stopped following the
>> exchange between Haruna and Modou a long time ago because of it's
>> obnoxiousness.  Secondly, private email seems to indicate that I may be
>> perceived as playing the victim (something that the emailer seems to
>> think I do quite often) in commenting on this, and I apologize if that
>> seems to be the case.  I can't be a victim in something that I had no
>> part in, so if it seems like I'm trying to come crying to the list or
>> play the victim role I truly am sorry, because I most certainly didn't
>> feel that way when I wrote my original message in reply to Bailo's
>> message.
>>
>> My comments on not wishing to comment on a list where one risks being
>> insulted or worse, are just mere observations, and in general, I have
>> made my online presence, well, less present, and that has nothing to do
>> with this particular list per se, that again was just a general
>> observation.
>>
>> To be clear, I do not choose to participate in a list or discussion, in
>> any shape, form, or fashion, where I risk being insulted.  And if
>> someone threatens to "snuff the life out of someone" because they
>> perceive them to be a bully or a harasser, and not only say it publicly
>> but privately as well, I'm not sure how you could take that any other
>> way than to say that this might not be someone you want to engage in a
>> discussion with, lest they perceive a disagreement to be a bullying or
>> a harassment, especially if you've disagreed with said person in the
>> past, and they thus decide to "snuff the life out of" someone because
>> they've perceived them to be a bully, etc.  I'm not saying that Mboge
>> is going to resort to violence, I'm just saying he's threatened to,
>> over something that started out as a mere disagreement, and this is not
>> someone that I choose to engage in a discussion with because of this.
>> And this did, at first, start out as a disagreement, and not a
>> "bullying" or a "harassment", though it could have very well turned
>> into such, though as I said, I've stopped following the discussion.
>>
>> I've had things said to me on this and other lists in the past that I
>> could have taken as harassing, even down to receiving private emails
>> threatening myself and my family, if I continued to speak out on
>> Gambian issues, and never once did I threaten to "snuff the life out
>> of" anyone.  Surely, if one is being bullied and harassed, they have
>> other recourse than to kill the harasser, and this is just my
>> "inyuendo" again, again per the private emailer, than I'm sorry.  But
>> to me words mean things, you don't just say something and then pretend
>> you didn't say it or pretend that it meant something else.  Because if
>> it does, pray tell what else could "snuff the life out of" mean
>> exactly?  I mean, I'd like to give the benefit of the doubt, which
>> perhaps I should have made clear in my original message, and say that
>> perhaps Mboge meant "shut them up" or "silence them" or "take all
>> necessary action to insure that they do not bully or harass anyone else
>> again".  But that is not what he said.  Twice, both to me privately via
>> email and on list, he's threatened to "snuff the life out of" anyone
>> who's bullying or harassing him.  And if he came back and clarified his
>> statement and said, something like "no no I'm sorry, I didn't mean it
>> the way you and others may have thought, but I meant such and such",
>> then I'd be happy to admit to my victimhood and inyuendo and graciously
>> admit that I was wrong.  But that is not what he said.
>>
>> To be clear, I do not feel like a victim, and I apologize in advance if
>> I mis-perceived anyone's statements, but I find any threat or insult,
>> no matter from where it comes, to be quite troubling.  And anyone who
>> would sink to the types of levels I've seen lately are not the kinds of
>> people I feel like having any kind of discussion with at this point.
>>
>> I mean, goodness, if you know that a certain person is going to insult
>> you, or you know someone's going to disagree with you, because of, say,
>> something you disagreed about ten years ago, or if someone that you
>> don't get along with says something you are sure not to agree with
>> anyway, again because it's someone you don't get along with, then for
>> Goodness Sake, please have the maturity to not engage with them, and
>> then perhaps it won't sink to insulting one's parents and threatening
>> to "snuff the life out of" anyone.
>>
>> Apologies for the long message.
>>
>> Inshallah, I have nothing else to say on this, lest I project an
>> unintended image or intent.
>>
>> Ginny
>>
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