Ousman,
The frustration and disappointments are understandable. However, reality
dictates that there is a difference between being a candidate running for
office and ACTUALLY governing... There is almost always a contradiction
between these two because of the reality...
Now to some of us it really shouldn't matter who used the chemical weapons
at this point in the conflict. The situation that created the condition
where chemical weapons would be used is the main culprit here. If Assad
were to negotiate with his country men and women and device a transition or
power sharing the world would probably not have seen the use of these
weapons. Certainly two years into the conflict there is no end in sight to
the killings of innocent civilians by their own government. The world
already have enough of the killings and then the weapons... What is the
solution? Sit by and watch little children being massacred.. or engage the
tyrant and give the people a chance to rebuilt. I really honestly don't
think this is about drumming for war but rather stopping the genocide
before we have another Rwanda...............
The jury is out but the world has a responsibility to stop this carnage
just like we are calling for in Gambia...
Thanks
Demba
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Ousman Ceesay <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Candidate Obama will be critical of President Obama. This saber rattling
> against other countries without the consent of congress or the
> international community is one the things he used against his strongest
> opponent in 2008. If you don't believe most of the progressive community
> supported his candidacy because of the Iraq debacle, then I have the
> Kerewan bridge on the market for the highest bidder. What a change
> Washington does to some politicians. The same characters that advocated for
> invading every middle eastern country and never paid a price for it are
> signing letters and appearing on television telling us to strike another
> country based on flimsy evidence. In a civil war, such as we have in Syria,
> who is to say the opposition didn't use the chemical weapons to get an
> edge? isn't that what the united nations is investigating? Most of humanity
> is waiting for some evidence before even contemplating another adventure
> into war theater, not the sages in Washington. They are all hanged up on
> this nonsense that once the president drew an imaginary red line, there
> should be consequences, evidence be damn. I am so tired of seeing liberals
> who were seething with rage when Bush defied the UN and invade Iraq make
> ridiculous excuses for Obama.
>
> As of this writing ...Thursday morning, some Syrians will pay with their
> lives because America's president want to send a symbolic message. That is
> as outrageous as the one he purports to answer.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Malanding Jaiteh <[log in to unmask]>
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:13 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [G_L] Obama considers military action against Syria
>
> For much of the world and I believe many in the US its not about how bad
> Assad have acted over the past 2 yrs but what authority do we (the US and
> the rest of the world) have to "punish" him? Will "punishing" stop further
> bloodshed?
>
> Malanding
>
>
>
> On 8/29/2013 11:02 AM, Husainou wrote:
>
> Sir LBD I profoundly honor your opinion but from I read and heard the
> weapon used against those people was nothing more than chemical weapon.
> Hous
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 29, 2013, at 9:09 AM, Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> Hous
>
> I don't know what was used against "those poor defenceless civilians", and
> so I await the informed verdict of UN mandated investigators.
>
>
> LJDarbo
>
> *From:* Husainou <[log in to unmask]>
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Sent:* Thursday, 29 August 2013, 14:04
> *Subject:* Re: [G_L] Obama considers military action against Syria
>
> Well somebody used chemical weapon against those poor defenseless
> civilians. All fingers are pointing at Assad's regime who is among few
> nations that still have stockpiles of such deadly weapons.Those rebels
> don't have the resources to maintain chemical weapons . Right now Assad is
> desperate , he will do anything to keep him in power.
> Hous
>
>
>
> On Aug 29, 2013, at 8:22 AM, Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> Saiks, and Alieu
>
> Your short reactions are not doing justice to the topic, but I am with you
> for there is something quite profound in your takes. If time permits, you
> should consider full length essays on this crucial topic.
>
> The geopolitical calculations over this region are immense, and so far,
> there is no convincing evidence that Assad indeed used the alleged chemical
> weapons. A CNN anchor suggested to a so-called political science professor
> (Arab national) out of Dubai that it is indeed plausible for the chemical
> weapons to be supplied by countries such as Saudi Arabia, and others
> opposed to Assad. His response was that the rebels would not use such
> weapons against their own people. And he calls himself a political science
> professor!
>
> The chemical weapons issue is quite complicated and there are a number of
> possibilities over who could have been behind its alleged use. If chemical
> weapons are like bullets, I wonder if it is possible to track the origin of
> the type used in this alleged attack in Syria. Any views, Kejau, and
> Khaleel?
>
> More fundamentally, another issue for me is why so much emphasis on the
> alleged use of a weapon that killed 2000 max in a war where an estimated
> 100,000 perished. Is this not baffling, and why the huge global arsenal of
> chemical and nuclear weapons?
>
> I'm glad the democratic system in the UK forced a climb down by David
> Cameron yesterday.
>
> In the domestic arena, there is no question whatsoever that the US and the
> UK are among the preeminent democracies of modern times, with
> governmental systems based on restraint grounded in the rule of law and
> the separation of powers. There is no such routine respect for legality
> when it comes to international affairs. Over the past several days, the UK
> Foreign Secretary consistently argues that with or without the
> authorisation of the UN Security Council, they will move against Assad.
> This is quite troubling in the sense they set up the veto and permanent
> membership system of the Security Council. It is vital that they operate
> within the constraints of that system, and not use its awesome powers as a
> double-edged sword. None of these leaders would dare contemplate in the
> domestic sphere what they are advocating in international affairs!
>
> At the very least, the prudent thing to do is wait for the report of the
> UN mandated weapons inspectors, and in the words of the Secretary General,
> "give peace a chance" in that process.
>
> If the US goes in today, the UK will not join in for a few more days, if
> at all. I celebrate UK democracy for insisting on verifiable transparency
>
>
>
> LJDarbo
>
>
> *From:* samateh saikou <[log in to unmask]>
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Sent:* Thursday, 29 August 2013, 12:20
> *Subject:* Re: [G_L] Obama considers military action against Syria
>
> K,
> Just droping few Lines,East Timor and Siera leone conflicts ended not as
> result of militAry intervension likewise Sudan.the Un has/had a peace
> mission in the first two,one of which you Your self participated with A
> full Un mandate not only making it a legal action,but in world opinion too
> very ligitimate.see i Am not a pasifist ,in my response to brother khaleel
> i will forward the reason given by Obama as to why he need to act on Syria
>
> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 12:51:45 +0200
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [G_L] Obama considers military action against Syria
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Thanks Saiks.
> As brother Demba said, the results are determined mainly by the nationals
> and not the liberation aiders. Sierra Leone, East Timor, Sudan, came to
> mind as success stories.
> Kejau
>
>
> Sent from Samsung Mobile
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: samateh saikou <[log in to unmask]>
> Date:
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [G_L] Obama considers military action against Syria
>
>
> Brother Khaleel,thanks,so much sense in what you said it will be
> difficult to respond to you but I will try later in the day. Kejau, what
> for me is liberation might be very much different from yours,which is also
> ok.One thing is certain,I dont believe that it is the duty and
> responsibility of one nation to liberate another nation,for me there will
> be no liberation based on the desire of the people.There is no force on
> earth that can resist the will of the people.The mighty fascist Soviet
> Union was pulled down to the ground by people without guns or bullet,if it
> can happen there,it can happen anywhere on this earth. I dont believe that
> the people of Irag,Libya or Afghanistan have been liberated.Let me tell you
> one thing,if the US or Senegal,or any nation offer me to liberate Gambia
> with results of Irag ,Libya or Afghanistan,I will say no thanks,let Jammeh
> rule.
> For Freedom
> Saiks
>
> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 07:45:55 +0200
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [G_L] Obama considers military action against Syria
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Thank you Khalleel,
>
>
> Sent from Samsung Mobile
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Khaleel Jameel <[log in to unmask]>
> Date:
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [G_L] Obama considers military action against Syria
>
>
>
> Saiks,
>
> Asad’s guilt or innocence in the recent chemical attacks on his own people
> could have been determined from jump by working with the international
> agencies to investigate cause and responsibility for that heinous crime.
> But of course who is going to extend his/her hands to shake another if your
> hands are covered with dirt during a search for a grave digger? U.S never
> blessed Saddam to use chemical weapons back in 1988 or so. It could be
> argued that someone in that administration has to know that they were going
> to use it prior to them executing that mission. I would certainly not
> reference wikilinks in a serious conversation, and of course key word here
> is I.
>
> You are right; I will never consider war to be a solution to any
> situation. U.S invasion of Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq did not make those
> countries a developed country but has arguably not made them any worst.
> Like Demba mentioned, these countries were liberated and given a chance.
> How they choose to run their country from that point have a lot to do with
> their concept, commitment to their people and the rule of law.
>
> I don’t honestly see Syria being any different but would you rather the
> world sit back and watch the massacre and slaughter of innocent citizens of
> Syria? U.S. is indeed doing a lot of supporting of many organizations
> openly and privately however; so is many other countries in the world. Does
> that make it ok? Hell no. Did you see how much Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and
> Jordan combined gave to Egypt? Ridiculous I’m thinking.
>
> It is my believe that there is no morality in war. When one nation comes
> to the conclusion to fight another nation for whatever reason, humanity and
> morality failed utterly. I believe that every war is futile when
> compared to the senseless massacre of human lives. U.S however has lost
> both money and lives of their brave men and women in defense of many
> nations across the globe and I commend them for that. It only shows their
> tenacity for freedom to prevail and they demonstrated time and time that
> they will make the ultimate sacrifice for any nation. Are they always
> right; no. Is it necessary at times; I will say yes but don't beat me up
> bad.
>
> Khaleel
>
>
> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 23:47:41 +0200
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [G_L] Obama considers military action against Syria
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Saiks.
> I wonder how you can say the US invaded those countries even after helping
> those countries people to remove dictatorship. Do you meant to say UK also
> invaded Sierra Leone?
> Kejau
>
>
> Sent from Samsung Mobile
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: samateh saikou <[log in to unmask]>
> Date:
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [G_L] Obama considers military action against Syria
>
>
> I will be happy to know how one is certain that Asad is responsible
> .lets look at the following facts too.in may a un inspector claimed that
> it was the rebels who did the c-attact
> ,which was the original case, few days ago we have been reading leaks docs
> from weakilinks that Sadam with the blessiing of the US did use it,Now we
> all know what happened in Faluja,right,which means there are nations who
> have no right to talk about moral
>
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