Apology for the typos....
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Suntou,
>
> Thank you for the sharing this piece. This article precises explain more
> than anything what I have been saying all along on this forum. From the get
> go, I stated that we cannot discard all the people who serve in the Jammeh
> regime; that we were being selective in our level of criticism largely
> depending on our association and or relationship with the individual. That
> the issue needed to be given a "broader perspective". Both Dr. Saine, Foday
> Samateh and the author of this article did exactly that. They looked at the
> issue of Dr. Janneh from different angles and candidly opine on it with
> facts from various angles.
>
> We are engaged in a dangerous struggle that will either make us as a
> society and or break us. It is always dangerous and stereotypical to
> generalized. Our situation in Gambia is not unique. Nations and societies
> have gone through this kind of struggle before and we need to learn from
> those lessons, improve our game and shape a better future for our country
> and people.
>
> The dictator's goal is to break us, by scaring us, dividing us and making
> the best use of anything he can get from us in whatever form or shape. He
> will challenge and provoke our conscience, exploit our human weaknesses
> just so he gets his way. Many of our country men and women will fall victim
> to this and by the time we rally around to get rid of him, he would have
> shocked the best out of us.
>
> In summary, we have a problem in Gambia and it needs to be confronted with
> caution in every step of the way. I am reluctant to completely discard any
> group of people in our society, certainly attaining a PhD level education
> is not a small achievement. To call prostitute many of our highest level
> of educated elites for making one decision or another aka intellectuals is
> unjust. Everyone of us here would go for a PhD degree if we have the
> opportunity. Some of us are already working on it, some have brothers and
> sisters who either have it, working on it or aspire to get it. To single
> out one person or group of people and discard them is detrimental to our
> struggle. So I think we can be critical of our fellow citizens, but we also
> must be willing to forgive or give the benefit of the doubt and be willing
> to work across the isle regardless of our moral judgement of others.
>
> Am extremely glad our discussion is taking a much mature phase beyond the
> simplistic political correctness and name calling. I hope and pray that we
> will approach every issue with this level of discussion and open mindedness.
>
> Thanks for sharing...
>
> Demba
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 8:11 AM, <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>>
>> Daffeh.
>> You are still living in the past. The Gambian political
>> reality of yesterday and the Gambian political reality of today is
>> completely different. This is why I said you are still in the propaganda
>> stage of the Gambian struggle. You do not see anything in this struggle
>> other than what fits your partisan leanings to have the party that you
>> support come to power. That is all you think about. That is all you talk
>> about. Anything that seems to threaten this expectation arouses your
>> hostility and subjective inclinations.
>>
>> Halifa has gone beyond the propaganda stage where you are sill
>> languishing in. He is reading the Gambian political atmosphere and reality
>> with keen observation and an objective analysis, which is critical in
>> shaping and guiding the next stage of this political struggle. When the
>> time comes to respond to this evolving political realty he will not be the
>> one found to be wanting.
>>
>> Rene
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:47 am
>> Subject: [G_L] When Dr (PhD) Became Personal Pleasure seeking: Gambian Dr
>> Under attack
>>
>>
>> Joe, how can you talk about the masses and yet give importance to Halifa
>> over Hamat?? I think if you look at the electoral statistics, you will find
>> that Hamat and the NRP have proven to be a bigger political force with a
>> bigger support base than Halifa and PDOIS.
>>
>> You always like to be seen talking straight but unfortunately, your
>> grasps of the facts on the ground is dismal. The NRP of Hamat Bah is the
>> second largest opposition party in The Gambia after UDP. This is an
>> incontrovertible fact.
>>
>> Now, I will not lead the charge for you to go back home and lead the
>> people because you will be utterly useless as already, you have proven
>> yourself not to be fit for purpose; a bit like a damp squid.
>>
>> Know your facts and learn to accept them. This nonsense about giving
>> Halifa what he never earned at the polls needs to stop so that people can
>> concentrate on facts rather than fiction, hyperboles or pernicious glib or
>> groundless political commentary.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Daffeh
>>
>> On Thursday, 1 Aug fitust 2013, Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> > Suntou, I agree with the author. We cannot cherry pick those we
>> castigate and those we cuddle for similar behavior. I'm glad there are
>> those that saw the need for equity in our affairs. There has been well
>> meaning folk who for some reason cannot or refuse to connect the dots when
>> it is very very obvious. It is not rocket science to see that all these
>> folks listed are on the same boat and we talk about one, we must talk about
>> all. Now, there are folks here who have dealt with all these
>> prostitutes, past and current and their opinions litter this landscape and
>> am sure the author knows that. The majority of us must be seen to do just
>> that if we are to shape the Gambia of tomorrow. After hundreds of murders
>> and disappearances and all sorts of criminal activity, we need to stop
>> saying what these folks engaged in were/are a mistake. One runs the risk
>> of their integrity being questioned when they full well know what is going
>> on is pure greed and nothing else, yet, they for reasons best known to them
>> continue to peddle lies. The author talked about hypocrisy/Maslahaa and he
>> cannot be more correct. The level of hypocrisy is sickening. I also agree
>> with the author that we will wait a long time time for Yaya to be gotten
>> rid off by Gambians in the inside. That can only change base on what the
>> opposition leaders do. I am not talking about the opportunists among the
>> leaders, but those with integrity. Their attitude to change must change if
>> we are to get rid of Yaya now, as oppose to his natural death.
>> >
>> > Those leaders need to stop believing they can rehabilitate, reason,
>> joke, or teach a dictator worthy of his salt. Love, education, democracy,
>> and laughter has never gotten rid of a dictator and they will not be the
>> first to achieve that in the history of humanity. The army should have been
>> the place to get rid of him, but currently Yaya is one and the same with
>> the army. A minute on the Army. We say that Yaya is putting Jolas as the
>> higher ups in the army, but the majority in the army are not Jolas? That
>> majority can do something about Yaya, but for the greed the author talked
>> about. They are all looking for crumbs and titles and have no time to think
>> about getting rid of Yaya, just like the Jolas surrounding him.
>> >
>> > Going back to the opposition leaders, they may mean well, but they help
>> Yaya by default through their actions. Let's take Ousainou, Halifa, and
>> Sidia (I did not include Hamat for obvious reasons and OJ's PPP is
>> non-existent). Now, why do these guys think that obeying the law/Yaya, or
>> educating Yaya will see Yaya out? It will never happen. After 19 years they
>> know exactly what they need to do - be seen to lead the people to take back
>> their country. They need to bring the masses who support them to the
>> streets. But we all know they are not ready or willing to do that. I know
>> their supporters are by now up in arms to lodge a charge for Joe to go to
>> Gambia and lead the people to the streets. Lord knows if I were in their
>> position I will do just that. Let's say I land in Gambia today, I will be
>> picked up at the airport while these guys preach calm and engage in
>> reasoning to eternity. That is what will happen to any vocal diasporan that
>> has been a thorn in the flesh. If these party leaders will let their own
>> officers rot in jail, you think they will skip lunch to rescue Joe to
>> continue to fight with them? No, they will not. If you replace Joe with
>> Suntou, Nyang, or any other partisan who is vocal you will get the same
>> result. Since these guys are going to continue to educate Yaya, it is high
>> time those of us on the outside to form a group that will force the issue
>> in the streets. We will find out that we should have done this a long time
>> ago, for when the heat is on the Yayas are cowards. At this stage of the
>> game confrontation by any means is very very necessary. What is needed is
>> dedicated Gambians to start, that's all.
>> >
>> > A while back we saw the Bayo Group to appear. Some of us were open to
>> their direction, however, to be blunt, the group was too homogeneous and
>> that was not by accident. That sort of mindset is what has kept Yaya in
>> power and we need to have the proper representation to be taken seriously.
>> Another group was compiled but they lacked commitment and confidentiality.
>> We are at crossroads, we either resolve to start to stop this beast now, or
>> we will see another 19 years go and counting.
>> >
>> > Now, I know some quarters are already tense and all they will hear is
>> another Jola trying to lead Gambia/Gambians. No, not this Jola. I have been
>> around all this while and participated in almost everything here, yet, you
>> never saw me lead. Precisely because I know our people are sensitive to
>> that. Don't trust me, just follow my steps and do not just start from the
>> US, you can go as far back as Gambia. We just need a few good men and women
>> to start a little something. Alternatively, if there is any such serious
>> group in existence, please contact me and we can take it from there. No
>> folks, this is not in competition with the democracy forces or directions
>> out there. One can get to Gambia using various means. I am not televising
>> either. It is called starting some where, just like one starts a political
>> party, a pressure group, or an Umbrella group. The only difference is the
>> stakes are higher in what I am soliciting for. Folks know my email.
>> >
>> > Joe
>> > ________________________________
>> > Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 11:25:36 +0100
>> > From: [log in to unmask]
>> > Subject: [G_L] When Dr (PhD) Became Personal Pleasure seeking: Gambian
>> Dr Under attack
>> > To: [log in to unmask]
>> >
>> >
>> > The Gambia has it fair share of academics at present and the number is
>> growing. Although the bulk of our intellectuals, or should we say, those
>> with Doctorate titles are hardly heard in conversations, even in their
>> field of expertise. What is puzzling is that, a number has succumbed to the
>> trappings of the Jammeh dictatorship, as opined by the writer of the
>> article below.
>> > A source in the Gambia immigration services indicate that, quiet a
>> number of Dr titile holders actually travel with President Jammeh's
>> approved diplomatic passports, advising him and sometimes running secret
>> errands for him. One may see attaining a PhD as something monumental, but
>> actually, does it just mean a licence to fall into the petty trapping
>> within the elite of the third world. A vehicle to get some hearing, but not
>> a tool to change society for the better.
>> > The Dr (PhD) Gambians haven't put anything tangible on the plate yet,
>> or do some expect too much from ordinary men/women who just want to be left
>> alone to do what they want, rather than shouldering the burden of our
>> social ills. A recent article in Aljazeera by Mamdani explain the faults of
>> the secular liberals in Africa...a case study of this group may help us
>> help them...
>> > Suntou
>> >
>> > http://kibaaro.com/why-do-you-single-out-dr-amadou-janneh/
>> >
>> > Why Do You Single Out Dr. Amadou Janneh
>> >
>> > Reads :567
>> >
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