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[In a message dated 3/25/2010 9:51:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[log in to unmask] writes: Haruinerding, I wanna know my gender, sissy.]  
Olfactor.
 
You do don't you? Well we do too.
 
[You said you need to varify whether i am a man or a woman or in  between.] 
Olfactor.
 
I think you introduced this querry especially the in-between  part. You 
also told us you are a man of your own even before we qualified  your manhood. 
Youi spoke of ass and shit a lot making us wonder if the  fascination with 
these is mere gaucherie or cognitive mime. So are you a man,  woman, or 
betwixt?
 
[Why do you wanna know  where i live?] Olfactor.
 
You already shared with us you live in Dublin, Ireland. Much to the  
chagrin of O'Shaugnessy.
 
[I thought you knew.] Olfactor.
 
Indeed I know from what you shared. I have no reason to conceive  otherwise.
 
[Dublin, Oslo, Barcelona, Buenos Aires, London, Lisbon, Warsaw maybe.]  
Olfactor.
 
Wait a minute; How can you live in all these places at the same time. I  
sleep with both eyes open but to live in 99 different places at the same  
time, well I can't top that Olfactor. Unless I'm bipolar.
 
[Have i left Norway?] Olfactor.
 
No the question was "WHY did you leave Norway". The reason I ask that was  
because you shared with us there is a woman there who wishes to find you 
guilty  of fathering a child with her. BTW, have you resolved that yet? It 
would be very  easy with a DNA test. That can now be done internationally. And 
you don't have  to appear on Maury Pauvich. If I were you, I would just 
accept to be responsible  for the child and just figure her in your family 
planning rather  than complete an international DNA test. This is whether or not 
you are the  father of the child. The woman expressed her desire for you to 
care for and  nurture the child. She must have seen something in you that 
inspires her don't  you think?
 
[Go get your friend O'Donnelly to check my address.]  Olfactor.
 
O'Donnelly already knows your address. He is your mailman  remmember?
 
[I have nothing in common with a piss head misogynist.]  Olfactor.
 
Well how do you know that?
 
[I am very worried about the safety of children around you.]  Olfactor.
 
There you go Olfactor unduly burdening yourself with anxieties  and 
chagrin. You wanna solve this anxiety right away??? Lemme know Lemme know. I  have 
an idea. I think you'll like it.
 
[These kids around me know who cares for them or not.]  Olfactor.
 
Do they??? That's what Jeffery Dahmer said  too.
 
[Ask O'Donnelly or my friend.] Olfactor.
 
O'Donnelly seeks a DNA test at this time. Your friend was just  suspicious 
that one of the children looked like him. Anyhow, he is not in a  position 
to take care of a child right now. He will come to you later, when the  child 
reaches major age. Remmember to leave a forwarding address when you leave  
Ireland also. I don't even know why you keep running around the world as if 
in  search of a western country that is not anti-Pan-African. Olfactor, what 
is so  unique about Ireland that made you settle there??? We are anxious to 
 know.
 
[Mboge *(With the tantrums)] Olfactor.
 
Drink some milk. Haruna.
 



On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 2:41 AM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask] 
(mailto:[log in to unmask]) >  wrote:

Olfactor,
 
I just realised you and I have a lot in common. Well your friend and  
mailman entrusted their kids to you. Someone entrusted kids to me. The only  
difference is you wonder whether my kids are in safe hands. For me I am  
confident yours are in good hands. So until you find out if my kids are in  safe h
ands, we are virtually alike. You like speaking of ass and shit. And  you 
shared with us someone wanted to make you responsible for a child who  may not 
be yours. I wonder did you ever verify if you are responsible for  that 
child? I believe its the 12-year old. Even if you are not responsible  for the 
child (whatever you mean by that) I encourage you to adopt her as  yours. 
There seems to be room in your family for the child. What do you  say??? 
Perhaps the mother is crying out for you to adopt the child. Be the  gentleman you 
always were. Please Olfactor. What I say is if someone wants  to make you 
responsible for a child, go ahead be responsible. It is  flattering for 
someone to want you to care for their child. I mean at least  they are not 
forcing you to marry them. Just take the child. And when  they're good and ready 
to have the child back, gladly return her. I am  curious as to what you 
decide on this. You must have lived in Norway before.  Oh that's right I 
remmember. Why did you leave Norway??
 
Haruna. Those idiots like walking around butt-naked. Talk about  ASS.


-----Original Message-----
From: Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask] 
(mailto:[log in to unmask]) >
To: [log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) 



Sent: Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:15 pm
Subject: Re: BBC E-mail:  Rwanda accused win UK court case - PRECEDENT FOR 
FORMER HIGH ...


Haruinerding Sissy Misogynistic pig,
 
What happen to the English tuition? Im i making sense.  Well, good  that my 
friend and the post man have been busy with the madame, at  least i am 
given some responsibility of some kids.  With you being  the sissy, knowing 
sissies don't work it, why pretend that boy  yours.   I hope he is save in 
hands.  With sissies you never  know what they can do children.  Im worried for 
that boy's real  biological parents.
 
Mboge (unwell and waiting to know my  gender )



On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask] 
(mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote:

Congratulations Olfactor. You have three beautiful kids and one on  the 
way. We wish mom and baby a healthy carriage to term and do let us  know when 
the beautiful baby comes. See, if I didn't ask you, we'd never  know and you 
would have been running around causing folk anxiety and  chagrin. But you 
know being responsible for kids does not mean they are  yours. A friend of 
yours told me one looked like him and the other the  mail man O'Donnelly 
I love you men. You gotta invite us to the Ngainteh. If its a boy,  name 
him Haruna. Why not? Haruna.


-----Original Message-----
From: Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask] 
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To: [log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) 



Sent: Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:13 am
Subject: Re: BBC E-mail: Rwanda  accused win UK court case - PRECEDENT FOR 
FORMER HIGH ...


Haruinerding,
 
Why do you wanna know if i have kids or not? Remember you still  varifying 
my gender/sex? Well, i am living with someone who believes i  have what it 
takes to give her two beautiful kids plus a third she is  expecting this 
summer.  There is also another female who gave birth  to a beautiful girl some 
12 years ago who believes yours truly is  responsible.  
 
Maybe consult you DaaManso for a revelation whether this  genderless one 
has kids or not.
Mboge



On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask] 
(mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote:


For someone who is not a sissy, you sure like talking about ASS  Olfactor. 
And I didn't say jumping into any Dinko, I said Jumping OUT.  You're already 
in there. Do you have kids Olfactor?
 
Haruna.
 

 

 
In a message dated 3/25/2010 3:41:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask])  writes:

MR Haruiner Ass,
 
I thought you had few hours to cook for whatever kids you  claimed to have 
(are you sure that kid or kids are yours,  sissies do not work it you know). 
Or was it just a lie  or pretentious brag about being a caring parent  
while the nasty misogynistic ass was letting the kids mum to do  all the work.
 
Hope you have time cos you are gonna have a lot of  fitting missing words 
in what you read from me, cos i cannot speak or  write English or any 
language.  
 
As  for your drivel or should i say the runny  stuff oozing from your 
bloated behind belong to the sewer, i  wonder how it can make me jump into any  
DINKO.
 
Since whenever someone points to the shitty fetid trash coming  from your 
stinky behind, means people hate or  are jealous of you, well it will not 
wash with me.   Or im waiting for your silly boast of what you  have done for 
folk and how many people you  have . You remember that one when you had an 
argument  few years ago on another forum. As if Haruiner is  the only person 
on earth helping out.  Please  there are thousands of people who are making a 
difference  to others  everyday without bragging about it.  

Keep the cheap jibes coming. I keep chuckling seeing you doing  all you can 
calling me unwell or suicidal perhaps thinking you  are winding me up.  
Keep them coming Mr  Knucklehead Haruinerding.  
 
As i say i need no ones approval, encouragement,  padding on the back on 
this forum or anywhere to be  me. Moreso from a trashy ass like you.  I have 
been  surviving and doing my stuff without you or  anyones help, so keep this 
shit about love or what have  you to yourself. If hearing me saying that 
makes  you have diarrhea so please situate your ass near a  toilet cos you 
gonna have a lot coming your way.
 
A woman or man, or in betweeen, i am not sure.  Please let  me know what 
sex/gender i am.  
 
When did you become the purveyor of anything, moreso love and  cheers.  I 
did not know you are such a liar.  Your record of  insulting folk is 
legendary.  Men, why are you pretending. 
 
Mr Knucklehead Haruinerding sissy, why ask  a question when you know the 
answer.  Perhaps it Nirvana as you  say. Nirvana my you know what...!  What 
more can i say  to you knucklehead since you have revelations from  DaaManso.
 
Got to go now, catch up in few hours.  I wonder if I am not  making sense 
how come you are able to understand what i am writing  .  I see your side 
kick Sountou MAMA Moofurriing  is moving on.  How are the English lessons going 
with him and the  rest of your entourage.  Piss head misogynist, see you  
later.
 
Mboge (Unwell, tormented and waiting for your help to  know what sex i am)
 



On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Haruna Darbo  <[log in to unmask] 
(mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote:


[------Original Message----- From: Modou Mboge  [log in to unmask] 
(mailto:[log in to unmask])  To: [log in to unmask] 
(mailto:[log in to unmask]) 
Sent: Tue, Mar 23,  2010 1:16 pm Subject: Re: BBC E-mail: Rwanda accused 
win UK court  case - PRECEDENT 
FOR FORMER HIGH COURT JUDGE SAFIATOU NJIE?  Haruiner/Suntou,
Haruine rI choose what to call you, not  you, get that.] Olfactor.
 
Quit running your words together. Why can't you  invent your own name for 
me since you are your own man??? I guess  you are now Mams' man.
 
[Since you chose to call folk anything   thatr visit you in your 
hallucination, why are you telling me  not call you what i choose.  Get pissed all you 
want, do i care  i think not.] Olfactor.
 
So if I tell you to jump out of the Big Dinko,  you will do it eh? Ok Jump 
out. To save your own life.
 
[And talking about my use of the English  language, yes i admit i am not 
good at it but maybe first teach your  entourage especially your side kick, 
Suntou  Moofuring who moonlights as a columnist to learn his  grammer and 
sentence structuring before he spew anything from his  orifice.] Olfactor.
 
Sidekick is one word.
Mohfooring.
grammar.
Sentence structure.
spews.
out of orifice. Not from orifice. Orifice is  pejorative when referring to 
a fellow citizen.
 
[The two sissies Haruiner and Suntou Moofurin, i don't who is  who, so you 
fretting about me hating  you.  What silliness? Oh i see  it is  'about my 
delinquencies and inadequacies i guess.' Just shitty  piffle.] Olfactor.
 
You're not making sense here Olfactor. Haven't you forgotten a  word or two?

[I am giving you your own medicine.]  Olfactor.
HarunaMos don't take medicine. That's what I got in a fight  with my doctor 
about. I ended up convincing her not to take medicine  herself. She thought 
I was crazy.
 
[You have been running your shitty mouths at anyone  here who differs from 
your the fetid opinions  you keep spewing as some learned analysis.]  
Olfactor.
 
I only demand that you use correct English when you speak with  me 
Olfactor. Is that too much to ask?? What is "from your the fetid  opinions"?

[Haruiner, your  misogynism is apparent, so what  if i were a woman.] 
Olfactor.
 
So what if you are a woman? Acknowledging that is the first  step.

[Are women less than men?] Olfactor.
 
NO. For the simple fact that she is called Woman means she is  more than a 
man. Whaddoyou think Olfactor?
 
[amI happy to be called a woman or even in between.]  Olfactor.
 
So are you a woman or somewhere in between a man and a  woman?
  
[Suntou Moofuring, so you are with times  because you read stuff from the 
net. I know you've no idea to  differentiate things but i tell you this 
people have choices.]  Olfactor.
 
Yes. People have a choice to kill themselves too. Folk like you  should not 
be given free health care Olfactor.
 
[Most people still enjoy reading from books, magazines,  periodicals etc 
the traditional way.] Olfactor.
 
Yeah but what is your reason for being one of  those people? That is the 
question Olfactor. Is it  Nirvana?
 
[Get that Mr Fool pretender BUDDING political analyst.]  Olfactor.
 
This is uncalled for Olfactor. Why do you work yourself up just  to hate? 
What do you intend to accomplish by being rude just because  you have always 
been rude but have suppressed it against your good  health?

[Well, Haruiner if your side kick is nice with me, what is  stopping you 
from being nasty with me.] Olfactor.
Nothing that I can see. I just choose to be nice to you  Olfactor. People 
have choices you know.
 
[As i said to you before, i do not seek, crave or need  your friendship, 
encouragement, cheer or love. Take them  where they are needed or asked for.  
I do not need  or seek anyones anywhere else approval here or anyone  to be 
me.  And that goes to 
friends or family.]  Olfactor.
 
I am the purveyor of friendship, encouragement, cheer, or love  just like 
you are the purveyor of names. You know what that means  don't you Olfactor? 
What have your friends and family done to you  Olfactor? I know deep down 
you love me Olfactor. You just don't know  it yet. I intend to yield you 
revelations like you've never had them  before. Do you dream Olfactor?

[And why can't you guys stop  lying about anyone trying to dictate to the 
flea infested brain of  Suntou Mama what to do with his political affiliation 
with  the UDP.] Olfactor.
 
Not anyone. Someone.
flea-infested.
Suntoumana.
 
[I only refer to the UDP because since he thinks people like me  have been 
domicile in the West for years without going  home, i just thought since he 
so politically savvy and with many  qualifications as well as being endowed 
with seeing things no  ordinary 
folk sees, just perhaps the UDP will be better served  on the ground.] 
Olfactor.
 
What does being in the west for years without going home have  to do with 
UDP. You recall Suntou lives in the west too. The UDP is  domiciled in Gambia.
 
[Moreover with his project of exposing Halifa Sallah and PDOIS  why are you 
Sountou Moofuring wasting in the West Midlands.]  Olfactor.
 
Aha. Halifa. BuDOIS Sek. 

[Bring it on!  Call  your back ups. I see you are throwing around names. 
You  have not seen anything yet from this unwell and tormented soul.]  
Olfactor.
 
I have not seen a hoomang bing get so excited over nothing as  you 
Olfactor. Are you well??? Bring what on? I think we need to  expel you from here.

Haruna.

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask] 
(mailto:[log in to unmask]) > 
wrote:

Suntou  who is this gentlewoman you keep sharing with us??? Gentle has  
left Olfactor years ago. He is now crouchingtiger. Oh BTW Tiger  will be 
back for the Masters at Augusta National. i so look  forward to that. I 
have been practicing my putting over the year  and my coach Tiger will 
help improve that some more. Suntou  you're too nice to Olfactor. Might 
you now be an Elizabethan  like my friend Hamjatta???? Where's that cat 
anyway? How's he  doing???
T

Haruna.

-----Original  Message-----
From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask] 
(mailto:[log in to unmask]) >
To: [log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) 



Sent:  Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:16 am
Subject: Re: BBC E-mail: Rwanda accused  win UK court case - PRECEDENT 
FOR FORMER HIGH COURT JUDGE  SAFIATOU NJIE?


Haruna, your sense of humour has lighten  up this place. I could not 
stop laughing aloud. It is good  for our soul. I will be requesting old 
copies of the  economist magazine from the gentleman, I will cancel my 
own  subscription.
Haruna, in this day and age, when both academic  materials and proper 
journals can be securely access online,  when books are now in portable 
computerise (digital form),  i wonder why the gentleman is keen to let 
us know that he  receives the hard copy of the economist? I wonder. Talk 
about  refusing to march ahead with time.
Good news for the Gunners:  JAY-Z want to invest in the club, Spike Lee 
is our big fan as  well.

Haruna, I also commend your analysis of the  actual case in question, 
Justice Njie. As you opined, they knew  full well Yahya will never allow 
them to do their jobs  independently, yet they agree to take the 
positions, hence she  should face the music.
The accusations are that of financial  misappropriate. I also learnt 
that, the Nigerians has taken over  our legal profession, thanks to the 
sack Justice  Secretary.
The gentleman's anger is as a result months of  disheartening comments 
he couldn't bear coming from my end. He  has already made up his mind to 
insult me, emptying his heart's  delight on me. I am happy that, he is 
relieve of his  burden.
Why get inflamed over Rwanda whilst our stakes  are the Gambia. And why 
be bothered about what I do with my  party of choice? It is fascinating.
It is reported that, Kegame's  own government has in it genocidal 
maniacs who still boast about  their Tutsiness, let him clean up those 
sick folks before  branding others 'divisionist'. Room for improvement.
The  gentleman's quest to get personal is understandable. if it helps  
him have a good enough sleep, it is fine by me. Say all you like  
against Suntou, i am sure your friends will tap your shoulder  for it, 
as for me, i will enjoy my green tea and think of  another subject. My 
old advise is that, stop being rude, calm  down and remember that, 
people will be disappointed  in you for using foul  language.
Suntou



On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at  1:33 AM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask] 
(mailto:[log in to unmask]) > 
wrote:

Ok  Olfactor. So you say Suntou changed the topic first. And you went  
right along with the changed topic. You see what I mean about  you 
needing help Olfactor?

I'm just kidding men.  Let's chuck this one to a comedy of errors 
Olfactor. I promise I  got loads of other more significant stuff for 
you. Please. I  don't know why you're always on edge. I thought that was  
Giuseppe, but I swear you're worse than my friend Giuseppe. But  for his 
unnecessary disdain for Hon. Hamat, theguy is a  wonderful fellow. "If 
you want to hide from Hamat go to Gambia".  Men you guys are experts at 
low blows. Even Evian can't top  that. What?????

WHy are you bringing Giuseppe into this  discussion. I thought he were 
your friend????? Olfactor you  really need  help.
Haruna.






-----Original  Message-----
From: Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask] 
(mailto:[log in to unmask]) >
To: [log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) 



Sent:  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 9:21 pm
Subject: Re: BBC E-mail: Rwanda accused  win UK court case - PRECEDENT 
FOR FORMER HIGH COURT JUDGE  SAFIATOU NJIE?


Haruiner,

Low blows will not  do!  Varify yours first.  Didn't your side kick  
bring in Kagame into the  discussion.

Mboge


On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at  2:05 AM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask] 
(mailto:[log in to unmask]) > 
wrote:

Ehhh  Olfactor,

I am not your companion. Don't tell me  someone changed our discussion 
when you were the veritable  detractor. And don't tell me you're a man 
of your own when we  are trying to discern if you're a man first. I am 
not your  companion. And are you a  Pan-African???

Haruna.


-----Original  Message-----
From: Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask] 
(mailto:[log in to unmask]) >

To: [log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) 



Sent:  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 8:28 pm
Subject: Re: BBC E-mail: Rwanda accused  win UK court case - PRECEDENT 
FOR FORMER HIGH COURT JUDGE  SAFIATOU NJIE?


Haruiner,

As usual, you've  woken up and dittoing has began.  Your stupid friend  
moonlighting as the political analyst changed a strictly legal  
discussion to comparing apples and oranges.  There is  nothing 
comparable between Kagame and a rogue like  Jammeh.

Tell me about what jungle justice i am running  away and what havoc did 
i participate in to warrant my coming to  live in the west.  Persona 
delinquencies and inadequacies,  what load of BS
I am a man of my own and I am not seeking  yours or anyones approval 
for anything.  Talk of  trashy and nonesensical self-delusional  
importance.

Mboge


On Tue, Mar 23, 2010  at 1:13 AM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask] 
(mailto:[log in to unmask]) >  
wrote:

Suntou,

Thank you for your common  sense. The problem with some of these folk is 
that they  participated in the wrecking of Africa before they fled 
jungle  justice or they had buyer's remorse once they settled in their  
new western homes. And they blame their personal delinquencies  and 
inadequacies on the west. I say they brush their teeth  before they 
speak to me about Africa or Africans. How you change  a conversation 
about law and jurisprudence to a defense of  kagame is beyond me. 
kagame's person or character was not in  question......however you feel 
about the man. Extradition  requests are between Judicial branches and 
nations. Not between  Presidents or other idiots.

Thank you again for your  marked sobrieties  Suntou.

Haruna.


-----Original  Message-----
From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask] 
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To: [log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) 



Sent:  Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:17 am
Subject: Re: Fw: BBC E-mail: Rwanda  accused win UK court case - 
PRECEDENT FOR FORMER HIGH COURT  JUDGE SAFIATOU NJIE?



The gentle man who wishes to  make some us look like uncaring Africans, 
hence not qualify in  advocating anything African should take a good at 
himself and  his place of domicile. Many a times we read and hear our  
Pan-Africanist brothers resident in Europe and America for  decades 
lecturing us about Euro-American this and that on  Africans.. How 
self-serving these brothers are.

If  you wish to take the moral high ground on Africa, then do the decent  
thing and parachute to the West, East, South or Central Africa,  then 
try screaming from the rooftop there, hopefully people will  pay 
attention to the nonsensical out pouring of cheap emotion.  Some of this 
So call Pan-Africanist hardly ever venture into  Africa, yet they feel 
singing Pan-Africa enough in making words  relevant, give us a break.
The economist Magazine has nothing to  lose or gain in the articles some 
of its commentators write  about Africa. Can we for once see things in 
their right context  instead fancying around hanging onto our own 
baggage of partisan  politics. If anyone is educated in the west, you 
must without a  question read books, be lectured by western professors 
and enjoy  the western way of live. What moral ground do you have to see  
others as less of an African than you are? Below is the  Economist 
Magazine's article on Kegame and Rwanda. In fact the  article 
acknowledge the level of financial discipline the  government of Kegame 
is instituting, yet the other facts cannot  be left unspoken about 
because one is doing something’s right  and other major wrongs. We 
should delineate cheap emotion from  serious issues


_http://www.economist.com/world/middle-east/displaystory.cfm?story_id=156223
75_ 
(http://www.economist.com/world/middle-east/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15622375) 


Progress  and repression in Rwanda
Divisionists beware
President Paul  Kagame has improved people’s lives at the expense of  
freedom
Mar 4th 2010 | NAIROBI | From The Economist print  edition
Kagame, progressive and repressive
THE government of  Rwanda is doing a lot of things right. It is pretty 
open in its  handling of aid money. Most foreign governments and 
charities  are so impressed by its detailed plans and apparent lack of  
corruption that they are funnelling more of their aid directly  through 
Rwanda’s government. President Paul Kagame says he  expects direct 
budget support to rise by a quarter this year, to  $519m.
The country has recovered valiantly from its year zero in  1994, when 
800,000 Tutsis and moderate Hutus were slaughtered.  Its centralised 
state is leading the way in economic and  technological reform in the 
region. It is improving the  country’s infrastructure, education and 
farming, and seeks to  preserve its ecology. It pushes equality for 
women, who comprise  half the government and parliament.
On the diplomatic front, Mr  Kagame has been equally successful. He has 
sent troops to help  keep the peace in Sudan’s Darfur province and 
elsewhere. He has  stood up to mighty France, blaming it, as the 
region’s then most  influential Western power, for failing to prevent 
the genocide.  And last month the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, 
came to  Rwanda and offered something close to an apology. France, he  
said, had committed “grave errors of judgment” before, during,  and 
after the genocide. Questions linger about the role of  French special 
forces during the killing, as well as the fate of  Hutus living in 
France whom Rwanda wants extradited on suspicion  of involvement in the 
genocide.
France, for its part, has not  dropped charges against some members of 
Mr Kagame’s government  who are alleged to have ordered the shooting 
down of a French  aircraft carrying Rwanda’s then president, Juvénal 
Habyarimana,  a Hutu; that action triggered the genocide. Yet both 
countries  now appear more at ease with each other. Days after Mr 
Sarkozy’s  visit, Mr Habyarimana’s widow, Agathe, was arrested near 
Paris  (and then freed on bail) for questioning over her alleged role in  
the genocide. French businessmen came in Mr Sarkozy’s  slipstream, 
eyeing minerals and timber in neighbouring Congo,  for which Rwanda is a 
conduit. “There is no doubt this is a  reconciliation,” says a Rwandan 
government figure.
Yet  awkward question-marks hang over Mr Kagame and his ruling Rwandan  
Patriotic Front. The president’s detractors say his party has  not owned 
up to killing thousands of civilians immediately after  the genocide or 
to responsibility for causing much bloodshed in  Congo, which it invaded 
in order to hunt down the génocidaires  who had fled there. The 
Congolese government, it may be noted,  has co-operated with the 
Rwandans in their more recent  incursions into Congo.
Mr Kagame and his government are stifling  political and press freedom 
in advance of a presidential  election due in August. He is almost 
certain to win but  evidently he is determined to secure a big majority 
to implement  his “one Rwanda” policies. Opposition parties have been  
forbidden to “use words or facts that defame other politicians”.  In 
practice, the government can label any criticism against it  as 
“divisionism”, which entitles it to lock up the offenders.  Members of 
the opposition say they are spied on and  bullied.
It is unclear whether the government will let the  Democratic Green 
Party, a feisty new opposition group, be  registered. If not, the Greens 
say they will back another lot,  the Socialist Party-Imberakuri, which 
should be able to run a  presidential candidate. The head of a third 
opposition party,  the United Democratic Forces-Inkingi, Victoire 
Ingabire, says  she has been vilified since returning from exile in 
January. The  government, she says, has encouraged people to assault 
her,  accusing her of being a génocidaire. This week a former military  
intelligence chief, Kayumba Nyamwasa, who was reported to have  joined 
the Greens, fled Rwanda and is said to be claiming asylum  in South 
Africa. The government says he is wanted on criminal  charges—presumably 
divisionism.
End.
Going back to our own  dictators corridors, What is it that his 
supporter are fuming  against us about? They are saying, the man is a 
dictator of  development and that he is fighting against corruption. He 
has  given women more power and rights. His Vice-President is  a woman. 
At some point in his government, there were more  women in his 
government as Ministers than the previous  administration. All that the 
gentleman is promoting Kegame for,  Yahya Jammeh was once hail with 
those same things.
Should  there be any reason for the cubing of civil rights and plurality  
of views?
Is Kegame himself innocent of pumping tribal issues  in politics? In 
fact, Kegame's men in the army including the  high ranking female 
officer play the card more than many others.  Check their own Google 
images Mr Gentleman. I have seen images  of the Rwandan army's latest 
incursion of Congo, the  close senior officers bragging about their 
prejudicial  influences. These things aren’t as simple as the gentleman 
is  making it out to be.
Nothing should compromise tolerant  co-existence, and the opposition 
views is a key part to ensuring  the population is represented at all 
levels. Kegame's propaganda  alone shouldn't be listened to at the 
expense of others. He  should be commended for lots of things, but he 
also needs to  understand that framing words against his opponent is not  
healthy for the future stability of the country. Some of us are  less of 
a Pan-African, however, we know the working of a genuine  democracy. 
Advocates of Europeanism live in Europe. let our  Pan-African folks 
migrate to Africa, instead of crying wolf in  western towns and cities.
Let not your bias of folks make you  blind to their views. Stop been 
haste over public issues. Take a  deep breath and read the material 
before jumping to  conclusion.
LJ, thanks for your sober and intelligent analysis  always. Long may we 
have many non-partisan like you. Speaking  the facts regardless of who 
it come from. Saddly, folks here  seems to look at names, party 
afilliation, some ignoble little  gangs before saying anything    
tangible.      You have shown to  be above such petty  mantra.
Suntou

Suntou





On Sun, Mar  21, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Lamin Darbo 
<[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) >  wrote:



Mboge

You are absolutely right  that "Four men accused of taking part in the 
1994 Rwandan  genocide win their High Court battle against  
extradition" was "strictly premised on the  significance of the Legal 
precedence it sets for 'fugitives'  claiming to be escaping 
persecution". Specifically, I was  thinking about Justice Safiatou Njie 
(Justice Njie) and whether  The Gambia Government is likely to succeed 
in having her  extradited by the UK.  

Although her alleged  crimes are not political, the whole mechanism of 
Gambian justice  is heavily entangled in political calculations. She is 
not  likely to get a fair trial, and as a requirement of Article 6 of  
the European Convention of Human Rights (ECHR), now statutorily  
incorporated into UK law by the Human Rights Act 1998 (HRA  1998), her 
chance of eluding extradition is looking  good.

Even as the Rwandan decision is a brilliant  exemplification of the rule 
of law, I have to agree with you  that the High Court decision was a 
difficult one on moral  grounds. I am unsure why Rwanda did not seek 
their extradition  for onward delivery to the International Criminal 
Tribunal  Rwanda (ICTR), based in the Tanzanian city of  Arusha.

For Rwanda, it should not matter where these  alleged criminals are 
prosecuted. The evidence is  suggestive of some involvement by all four 
in the '94  genocide. In that case, common sense would dictate that they  
be prosecuted for their alleged crimes, and where found legally  
culpable, adequately punished.

Undoubtedly, the  political arm of government was keen to have them 
extradited,  but the Judiciary blocked that wish on the explicit command 
of  both European, and UK law.
Stated differently, the High Court  probably hated the outcome, but 
there was a clear obligation to  implement the law as it is. You are 
right that under other  circumstances, these laws can work quite well 
for "genuine  asylum seekers". This particular decision was nevertheless 
quite  agonising.

As to Kagame, I defer to your expertise on  the man, and his vision. 
What he must do, and this sooner than  he may prefer, is to create an 
environment that allows his  vision to incrementally mature even as he 
himself no longer  leads Rwanda. No one person can fully develop a 
country,  and in my view, this means that every African leader,  and, 
or, ruler, must come to terms with his/her own  mortality. Only then 
will a mighty continent actualise its great  potential by making use of 
the major part of the talent at its  disposal.

Many thanks for a fine response, and  advocacy.

Do you think the Gambia's extradition request  regarding Justice Njie 
should  succeed?

Regards





LJDarbo



---  On Sun, 21/3/10, Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask] 
(mailto:[log in to unmask]) >  wrote:


From: Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask] 
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Subject: Re: Fw:  BBC E-mail: Rwanda accused win UK court case - 
PRECEDENT FOR  FORMER HIGH COURT JUDGE SAFIATOU NJIE?
To: [log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) 
Date: Sunday, 21  March, 2010, 17:38




LJD,

I guess your  sharing the judgement on the Rwandans by the High Court of 
the  UK was strictly premised on the significance of the Legal  
precedence it sets for 'fugitives' claiming to be escaping  
persecution. I hope it is not presumptuous of me that  you had in mind 
the Gambian female judicial employee  currently in the UK apparently 
running away  from Gambian justice a la Jammeh when you  
shared the ruling.   I assume that it is no  rocket science that this 
ruling will provide protection for  the corrupt criminals, genocidaires 
and their apologists from  being brought to justice where it matters ie 
where their  alleged crimes were committed.

It seems the so-called  High Court Judges are more concerned with the 
human rights  of  vile genocidaires than those genuine asylum seekers  
whose fear of being killed and tortured in their homeland is  
consistently ignored and questioned  and in some instances  ridiculed by 
Western media pandering to  the right-wing politics of the "other" 
coming to take  our jobs and scrounging on our generous welfare  
systems.  Im no lawyer but i hope this ruling also  can be useful to 
genuine asylum  seekers.


Reading a response to the article  you shared by our 
"descerner extraordinaire on this forum"  comparing our criminal outfit 
headed by a deranged buffoon in  the person of SHEPAD Jammeh gave 
me zits as  well as being squirmish for a while.

The realities  of Gambia and Rwanda are markedly different.   Kagame and  
Jammeh are poles apart.  Kagame is a smart and  patriotic leader, a 
visionary engaged in healing a  traumatized people, one fighting a good 
fight in ushering in  a new nation based on functioning 
institutions. The  howling on this divisionism by the Economist is in my  
view an irrelevant unworthy distraction. Kagame  should take no advise 
or lecturing from a  rabidly anti-African magazine that once ran a 
feature cover  story by Richard Dowden on Africa: The Hopeless  
Continent.  It may be true that many an African country is  marred by 
hunger, conflict and strife yet i have no doubt  that if anything the 
African peoples are mostly hopeful and  optimistic  about the future.  
This may be sometimes  wrongly attributed to fatalism.

Of course  there still remains a lot to be done in terms of democracy  
and human rights in Rwanda but one must acknowledge the giant  strides 
already achieved in relation to  these ideals.  It is work in 
progress that  is being managed very well under extremely difficult  
circumstances.  Rwanda under Kagame boast one of the  most enlightened 
gender equality legislatures in the  world.  And this goes beyond just 
symbolic balancing of the  sexes in terms of representation (given that 
33% of the  Rwandan Parliament is female)  in  politics. Women compete 
and participate in all sectors  of Rwanda society.  There is evidence of 
substantive and  particapatory democracy in everyday life of the 
ordinary  Rwandan. The economy in Rwanda is booming, civil society is  
being built and their advocacy left, right and  centre permeates in and 
at all levels of  society. Under Kagame's Rwanda a state by all  
standards that failed, has emerged way ahead  of many African 
countries in terms of health care  access to its denizens.  There is 
national health insurance  for virtually all Rwandans.  With Rwanda now 
on the right  path to development and substantive participatory 
democracy i  join the hoard of admirers wishing the Kagame juggernaut to  
keep steaming ahead.  I do also hope that the juggernaut  also destroys 
and annihilate all the negative forces trying  to block it especially 
those coated in ethnicity.   Ethnicity is important but not to the 
detriment of building  a prosperous Rwandan nation that concerns herself  
with providing peace, prosperity and progress  to its  people.

There exists a genuine concern by those trying  to deny the horrid 
genocide that took place in  1994. Politicians such as Victoire Ingabire 
Umuhoza trying  to play on ethnic sentiments must be reigned in.  This 
does  not mean that people should be denied the right to associate  
with the ethnic skirt they want to wear as long  as it is not to villify 
or create schisms between and  among their brethren and sisters.  
Afterall the Tutsi  and Hutu are from the same family of Bantu-speaking  
peoples.  But if not for a sad historical  constructionism perpetrated 
by colonialists based on banal  concepts such as 
the Hamitic Hypothesis ,  the Tutsi-Hutu dichotomous relationship might 
have been  avoided.  I shall not suffer the esteem lot of this forum on  
the nitty-gritty of this racist hypothesis which  helped in the pogroms 
of the Tutusis in 1959 and the  genocide of 1994.


We have seen the  shenanigans of France and some other northern  
governments trying to stifle the progress and development of  Rwanda 
since the RPF came into power.  I will  have Kagame any day as my leader 
compared to the rogues we  have splattered across our wounded continent 
irresponsibly  abusing the noble ideals of democracy and human  rights. 

Best,

Mboge





On  Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 7:56 AM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask] 
(mailto:[log in to unmask]) > 
wrote:

LJ,  reading the economies Magazine edition of last week, i can see  
similar tactics in the arena of suppression of opposition views  in 
Rwanda to that our own mad man. Kegame's government invented  a 
dangerous term 'divisionist'. This term is label against  opponents of 
the government with the country's sad past. The  genocidal past was 
trigger by tribal sentiment, hence the  divisionist concept.
It is interesting how our guys invent this  sinister strategies to 
suppress alternative views. Key members  of the opposition are regularly 
accused of being guilty of  genocide, a tack one is unable to free  
himself from.
Suntou




On Fri, Mar 19,  2010 at 12:18 AM, Lamin Darbo 
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--- On Fri, 19/3/10, LJD <[log in to unmask] 
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From: LJD <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) >
Subject: BBC  E-mail: Rwanda accused win UK court case
To: [log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) 
Date: Friday, 19  March, 2010, 0:08


LJD saw this story on the BBC News  website and thought you
should see it.



** Rwanda  accused win UK court case **
Four men accused of taking part in  the 1994 Rwandan genocide win their 
High Court battle against  extradition
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