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I don't need to belong to any Arab or Palestinian Forums nor do I belong to any Mandinka , Wollof , Jola ,Creale or Ethnic Forums . I am a die hard Pan Africanist Period .

Luntang

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cornelius Edward Hamelberg" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 12:18 AM
Subject: Re: Zionism


> Lutang, 
> 
> Peace!
> 
> It's your Forum. Your people posted an item entitled "Zionism" and another entitled 
> "Zionism as racist ideology". I felt called upon to reply to these, but in the future you can say what you please I'll ignore such postings.
> 
>  I belong to three Israeli Forums which are serious about Israeli matters in the way that it's reasonable to expect a Gambian Forum to be more preoccupied with Gambian and African matters.
> 
> Do you belong to any Arab or Palestinian Forums?
> 
> Don't worry, Lutang, when it comes to African matters I should think that we are on the same side.
> 
>  I have a lot of respect for Muammar al-Qadhafi who is one of the driving motors of the African Union. He is a friend and not an enemy to me. With regard to Africa Union matters, I appreciate his vision and his contributions to the upliftment of the African continent. There are other good friends too.
> 
> http://www.google.se/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4ADBR_enSE222SE222&q=Muammar+al-Qaddafi
> 
> http://www.google.se/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4ADBR_enSE222SE222&q=Pan-Africanism
> 
> Ousman Manjang, Ousman Secka, Soul Gassama, Ebrima Mboob the most generous of Gambians, will always be my good friends and we will always see eye to eye about African affairs. In fact, I have learned much from them. Secka is a literary and jazz inspirator.
>  I know a few other very valuable Gambians in Sweden, in the Gambia, in the UK and some other far away places.
> 
> Best Wishes,
> 
> Cornelius 
> 
> > 
> > From: Luntang <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date: 2007/06/03 sö PM 08:47:54 CEST
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Ämne: Re: Zionism
> > 
> > Mr Cornelius Edward Hamelberg , what do you think you will achieve by bombarding all these news about Israel on this forum . The Gambians and Arabs were not responsible for the Jewish holocaust in the first place .Why not send it to Dagens Nyheter , Expressen , Svenska Dagbladet or the German News Papers that might help . You know your old friends  Like Ous Manjang , Secka Mboob and the rest would not like to come across all these from you .
> > 
> > Luntang
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Cornelius Edward Hamelberg" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 7:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: Zionism
> > 
> > 
> > > I haven't read this over ( time)
> > > 
> > >  If you have no serious Gambian issues to take up then waste your time, reading this and reply as a civilised person without cursing like Balaam. (You know the story of Balaam and his ass?
> > > http://www.google.se/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4ADBR_enSE222SE222&q=Balaam+and+his+ass
> > > 
> > > Here's a latest issue: Israel under Sharon takes the last Jewish soul out of Gaza because of which the Gazans start smuggling weapons from Egypt through tunnels they have dug, through the Rafa crossing and into Gaza, from which they start firing their crudely made rockets into Israel, killing thus far some 12 of God's children.
> > > 
> > > Think of Alan Johnston:
> > > 
> > > http://www.israpundit.com/2006/?p=4898#comments
> > > 
> > > These are some of the quantifiable contributions that Jews have made, recently, to the development of the whole world: 
> > > http://www.google.se/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4ADBR_enSE222SE222&q=Jewish+winners+of+the+Nobel+Prize
> > > Perhaps Yahya Jammeh will eventually get the Nobel Prize for the AIDs cure. It's a little early to tell. Verifications of his claims and cures have yet to be ascertained by Independent, international medical observers.
> > > 
> > > In case you didn't know it, please know it now: get it in your heads and don't forget: that Israel is the beloved of the Almighty.
> > > 
> > >  It was the Arabs who sold you into slavery. Just as they bought Joseph for 20 pieces of silver and he wound up in Egypt. As you can find in the TORAH: Torah .Genesis Chapter 37:27-28
> > >  here: 
> > > " 27 Come, and let us sell him to the Ishmaelites, and let not our hand be upon him; for he is our brother, our flesh.' And his brethren hearkened unto him.
> > > 28 And there passed by Midianites, merchantmen; and they drew and lifted up Joseph out of the pit, and sold Joseph to the Ishmaelites for twenty shekels of silver. And they brought Joseph into Egypt."
> > > http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Bible/Genesis37.html
> > > 
> > > 
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vayeshev
> > > 
> > > Arab slave traders active in the Gambia:
> > > 
> > > http://www.google.se/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4ADBR_enSE222SE222&q=Arab+slave+traders+in+the+Gambia
> > > 
> > > Why this pathological fascination with ZIONISM?
> > >  It is not Zionism that has killed 200,000 people in Darfur and has another 400,000 spending their cold Sahara nights in tents, under the starry heavens.
> > > 
> > > Don't you have any closer and more pressing concerns that demand your attention?
> > > Israel is many thousands of years old.  Through Israel, you have the Bible and became civilised through the Qur'an - which requests that you accept all the prophets of Israel and the main man of Christianity, Jesus of Nazareth.
> > > http://www.jnewswire.com/topic/blessing_world
> > > 
> > >  It is not Zionism that colonised the Gambia or any part of Africa.
> > > 
> > > Zionism is not the cause of your suffering in the Gambia
> > > Zionism did not give you the English language through which to express these disastrous thoughts.
> > > You spend more time deliberating on a Zionism that you still do not understand because you lack the moral foundations and historical vision to judge the great contributions that the Jewish people have made to world civilisation.
> > > 
> > >  We know that the Gambia is the smallest country in Africa, and "smallies" usually have a complex about people who are bigger than they are (in everything) you have abandoned any constructive Pan-Africanism to focus your hatred on the Jewish people who never did you any harm.
> > > 
> > > Compare the contributions that a people from land that is only twice the size of the Gambia  ahs made to mankind  with the contributions that the people from both sides of that narrow strip of land called the banks of the Rivers Gambia. What has the Gambia contributed to World Civilisation?
> > > Don't quote Chiekh Anta Diop, Ivan Sertima, the Ethiopian Jew called Yosef A. ben-Jochannan & Co because   we know all that and much more. We know that neither they nor you can come up with a spectacular answer (in your own words etc you junior philosophers and creative users of the second hand English language.) Yes, the writer in question is an academic has a good honours degree in English and philosophy from University of Durham, from back there in 1969,  at an early age  -  he distinguished himself at school before winning a national scholarship - he is not your fool ; he answered the exam questions in his own words and has been studying ever since. So please don't start because you have eyes behind a camera or got some little buzzes from Socialist reviews, that means that Cornelius Hamelberg or  the Gambia's' minister of Finance Musa Bala Gaye  who I knew at Legon, does not understand what he reads or thinks, or says. 
> > > 
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