Suntou,
Interesting response. Much appreciated.
Keep it up!
Thanks,
Mboge
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 3:25 PM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Thanks Mboge
> I go through the written sources to get both perspective. The western
> writer, or those influenced by the western understanding, express our
> histories differently. Whilst the Oral is passonate and identifiable but
> difficult to place in a time span. In between the two narrative, some fact
> emmerge. However, when it comes to religion adventurers, the Western
> writers are very hostile and often repeat concept their counterparts will
> use in other native lands, 'India, Middle East or Africa'. We have to
> understand them coming from a religious experience, and anything else tend
> to be dismissed and regarded hathen.
> The Missionary according to Oral sources were blend in among the
> administrators...this is why, the early settlers of Dakar, will explain
> that, when the Westerners started to frequent the settlement, those who
> don't want to have any dealing with them, relocated. This was recognisiable
> amongs all the ethnic groups then. The Mandingo settlers, according them
> refered to Dakar then as (Dakaa) a retreat in Mandingka pallance..or
> secluded place to meditate. Some went to present day Mbur.
> The Missionaries did learn the local languages and customs. But this was
> to use it in converting them to Christianity, which didn't work among the
> Wollof, Mandingka, Serre and Fula initially. Some Oral narratives explain
> that, those who adopted the Western faith and dealt with them, were folks
> of the lower and servant class. However, this servant later became local
> adminsitrators, interpreters and eventually important elites. This things
> can be found in Missionary records. Also minor quabbles and quarells,
> dispute etc, with time spans makes the western records attractive.
> On the aspects of using animist, i guess it is the convenient common
> phrase. Because the traditional believes will be difficult to give a name
> to. Amongst the Kaabunka non-Muslims, they will refer to themselves as
> 'Jalang batula' Jalang comes from 'Jan Lan Fe' avoid this place. Hence,
> those who worship spirits..The aspect of mercenary tag is linked to the
> individuals who travel from different regions to join bands of followers
> who may not necessary believe the missions of the Foday Kabba and Amadou
> Taals, but are encourage by the gains.
> Thanks
> Suntou
> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>
>> Suntou,
>>
>> Very interesting work you are involved in. I would like to ask how
>> do you read these resources you encounter during your research at SOAS, my
>> former school,? How do you rate these resources against the traditional
>> 'oral' sources we depend on in our Senegambia region? Do you think these
>> sources are more reliable because they were written or not? To what extent
>> do you think these sources are real reflection of the reality of the
>> time or were they recorded for reasons other than objectivity by the
>> missionaries or colonial administrators?
>>
>> I agree with your contention that the careers of Foday Kabbah, Sheikh
>> Omar Taal, Maba Jahou and many others were more complex than generally
>> acknowledged? Indeed a critical perspective must be taken in reviewing our
>> history and collective memory. I am a bit concerned with your mercenary or
>> animist tags, perhaps you may want to elaborate.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Mboge
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:20 PM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> Bro Kejau,
>>> The world is not as black and white as we would like it to be. Hence,
>>> the folks banded around as Jihadist and the folks after their tails are as
>>> complex a scenario as it was during the colonial days and the scrambles for
>>> Africa, Middle East and North America. People or groups use tags that will
>>> disguise their real motives. You as a retired military man understands
>>> that better.
>>> Every now and then, some group will be on global TV networks, claiming
>>> to be fighting for this or that, and they will pass on after the publicity
>>> dies down. And then a new group will be on the media. the circle continues.
>>> The powers that be kept on wheeling this folks infront of our eyes. Hence,
>>> the complexities of global politics and the accomplices in the structures
>>> networks. This is why, it is hard to get involve. Organised government
>>> powers is always going after rag tags and rag tags going after organised
>>> government interest, the circle continues.
>>> Experts are involve, the media, analyst, University departments,
>>> military and intelligence networks etc etc.
>>> In the old days, we had animist who carry on what they inherited and
>>> those who adopted new religious dimensions (Islam and to a lesser extend
>>> for us Christianity). In my recent research at the University of London,
>>> African studeies department, I came across a Bible (The St John) Gospel
>>> printed in 1901, all in Mandinka, yes Mandinka. According to the
>>> introductions, Mandingkas are the most difficult tribe for the Christians
>>> to convert to the word of Jesus.
>>> So the career of Foday Kabba and Amadou Taal, Maa Bah is not a simple
>>> direct analysis. My own paternal great gran father was among Maa Bah's
>>> advisers (Murad Touray was from Karjour then and the likes of Kumbo Gaye)
>>> were key in the adviser circle of Maa Bah. Hence, the travells of Foday
>>> Kabba, Maa Bah, Amadou Taal from our oral tradition is stackly different
>>> from the colonial officers account. Remember the colonial officers were in
>>> foriegn alien territory, claiming to be looking after our interest. Any
>>> way, we will discuss later.
>>> Thanks
>>> Suntou
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 8:38 AM, kejau <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Suntou,
>>>> That's the same problem with the modern so called jihadists. I look
>>>> forward to listening and learning more about our military history. As we
>>>> cannot forget the the influences these so called warriors have on the
>>>> demographic of our region.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers.
>>>>
>>>> Kejau
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Samsung Mobile
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>> From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Date:
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: [G_L] The Jali Bamba Suso Kaabou Narrative is on kibaaro
>>>> today
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kejau, Foday Kabba's career is complex. The misunderstood narrative
>>>> is that of Jihadist, but if we contextualise the nature and activities of
>>>> Foday Kabba, Omar Taal, we will recognised that, their main aim was not
>>>> religious.
>>>> Suntou
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Suntou,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mercenary career! I would not consider Foday Kabba a mercenary, a
>>>>> jihadist, yes, but not a soldier of fortune....
>>>>>
>>>>> Kejau
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 11:31:52 +0100
>>>>> From: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Subject: [G_L] The Jali Bamba Suso Kaabou Narrative is on kibaaro today
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> www.kibaaro.com Natariko every Tuesday.
>>>>> We aimed to air the Bamba Suso narration of Foday Kabba Dumbuya
>>>>> history today. However, we brought in some people to provide their opinion
>>>>> of the life and career of Foday Kabba. That took over one hour. We may
>>>>> complete the program late today, if not you will catch the mercenary career
>>>>> of Foday Kabba and the opinions of our experts next week. We will be
>>>>> analysing the historical past time permitting. Today, Jali Bamba Suso's
>>>>> 1969 recordings for the SOAS University of London is on. My gratitude to
>>>>> all who phone, emailed, facebook message and text. History is nothing if we
>>>>> cannot learn valuable lessons.
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Suntou
>>>>>
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