SanyangBa,
I understand your wonderment and rhetorical (mental reservation according to you) query. I am with you. And to reveal that more succinctly, I'll have at your latest anguish. Here goes:
[-----Original Message----- From: sanyangfarang <[log in to unmask]> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Sat, Jul 23, 2011 8:01 am Subject: Re: [G_L] Sanyangba, Democracy & Freedom of Expression --The Point Newspaper Dioula,Thank you in your endeavor to satisfy the doubt in my mind; mental reservation(query)].
You're most welcome SanyangBa. We are in this together. Anytime I can add value to commoner relief, I shall avail myself the opportunity. When we put all the ideas together, perhaps we can get to the promise-land, if by default of sheer tenacity.
[However, since you chose to be led (as by your count) among the 1.5 million Gambians by either jammeh and the current leadership of the opposition parties; you fell short to satisfy my doubt.] SB.
I did not choose to be led by Yahya. The current leadership of the opposition parties have not had the privilege and opportunity to lead me yet. They seek my support and permission so they can be given the opportunity to lead me. I'd like to think I speak for you in this regard. Or do I?
[To me jammeh has never been an issue since 1994 by my actions and belief.] SB.
SanyangBa, I share your orientation here. I think you and I share similar prisms.
[To jammeh he considers this position as 'tribal';without holding brief for the PPP (30 years of Mandinka Rule according to jammeh as if that is not TRIBAL enough) albeit their short comings assumed Power through the ballot.] SB.
SanyangBa, I agree with you that albeit their shortcomings, the PPP assumed LEADERSHIP of Gambia through the ballot box. I also share with you that I do not believe the PPP government was a Mandinka Rule (according to Jammeh). What does SanyangBa think about the PPP government/rule being a Mandinka rule (according to Jammeh), since Jammeh has ceased to be significant for both you and me????
[I say no it is a matter of principle since he assumed the Presidency of the Republic by threat of use of Force and since then by lethal Force hence his reign is Illegal.] SB.
SanyangBa, I think what Yahya was alluding to the PPP government being a Mandinka government was the perception that the PPP stole their way into government by gaining the votes of the majority Gambian citizens. Therefore, and because the majority of Gambian citizen voters are of the Mandingo persuasion, the PPP government was by default a Mandingo government. Whether you agree with Yahya (PPP was a Mandinka government) or not, you will first have to clear your own mind about whether PPP was a Mandinka government??? That will be the first step. Otherwise, you will be hard-pressed to convince Yahya himself that it is only the method (principle according to you) by which he came to govern Gambia, if by accidental listlessness, that is malignant. Do you not see, by the foregoing, how Yahya could be well within reason to justify the way he came to lead Gambia?? And what would you say to Yahya then if he told you the PPP was a Mandinka government that is why he had to replace them with a Jola government. There is no qualm here about Yahya's own description of his own government. And mind you the overthrow of that PPP "Mandinka" government was BLOODLESS (also according to Yahya). So you will have to satisfy yourself first that that PPP government was or was not a Mandinka government before you can make headway explaining to your fellow citizens, the rationale (or lack thereof) of Yahya's bloodless coup. It is not enough to dismiss Yahya's government on the grounds that it is the principle of force as against non-force. You will recall that Yahya's coup had enormous support in the early years. And the coup was completed with some Mandinkas, Fulas, Jolas, Wollofs, Akus, Manjagos, Serers, Sarahules, Jahankas and other permutations of all these tribes.
[The only reason I find my self mentioning jammeh 17 years to the day the since he appeared by reckless accident (2nd) in the political history of The Gambia is the missed Opportunities of Leadership and this cuts across all parties.] SB.
I agree with you SB in the fact that we have witnessed MISSED OPPORTUNITIES of PROSPECTIVE leadership by all the opposition parties. This is not news and it is not terribly surprising. OPPORTUNITIES missed by ASPIRING LEADERS (max. 6) are not new in the domain of human life. There are bound to be many more. However, we (you and I) are among the rest of Gambian citizens (the overwhelming majority) who were not aspiring to lead Gambia and so we could be indemnified as to those MISSINGS. Verily, we cannot fail or succeed if we do not effort in anything. It is easy to blame our fellow citizens for MISSED OPPORTUNITIES, particularly when we were not vested in those "OPPORTUNITIES". For consolation, SanyangBa, Yahya had and continues to have MISSED OPPORTUNITIES during his (17-year and counting) "Leadership". I hope I have offered some inspiration and counsel here that may be valuable in the assessment of our collective ware.
[In any event since we are at a critical juncture to rid ourselves of this fester of mis-governance, I will discipline myself with mental reservation to avoid scuttling any process that may be in the works.] SB.
Mental Reservation, musings, expression of views, pontificating, pantomime, and or outright sabotage, has never and will never even remotely scuttle any sober process, especially 11th-hour processes. Honest opinions further that process not scuttle it. It is disingenuous pannafore and dishonest posturing that scuttle enterprise in commoner relief. So I beg of you, do not be afraid that your free expression of deeply-held beliefs and views will scupper any conscientious effort elsewhere. My Texarcana Churchman, Grimes, once shared with me; Haronda, the most aberrant aspirant is the shy and timid conjurer who is light enough to be swayed willy-nilly by the prevailing wind. For he is not fully aware of the value of his/her moment, nor the gravity of his/her epoch. DO not break bread with such aspirant". Sometimes Grimes is funny but I declare he's dead serious here.
[There will be time to revisit the history of the cost of these 17 years both in human(lost) and economic values(squandered). Trust me on this; I have a lot to say and 'Just the Facts'; sir.] SB.
I look forward eagerly to your REAL views and assessment of the cost of Yahya's reign SanyangBa. Meanwhile my fellow citizens and coleagues suffer, in real time, as we speak here, the consequences (cost) of Yahya's criminalities. I am confident you will work with us now to rid ourselves of Yahya or de-minimis, curtailing that future cost, so that we can all have that opportunity to tell that history of cost. Yes, just the facts sir. I am confident you will not hold back on expressing your view no matter how you think they may or may not scupper any ongoing process. A process for commoner relief, completed without your honest participation, will not be worth the paper its written on. Forgive me, I do not take too kindly to secretive process AIMED AT COMMONER RELIEF. I encourage you to adopt this disposition. Otherwise, another idiot would aim to replace that process by force on account it is an Amhara process.
[MADIBA, the living legend has taught us that leadership requires that you lead both from the Front and the back. 'His view is that leaders must not only lead, but they must be seen to be leading- that is part of the job description.'] SB.
SanyangBa, I have admired Madiba (Mandela) for as long as I can remember and I agree with the quote you share here of him. I am confident you agree with him also. I also agree with Hons. Halifa, Ousainou, Hamat, and Mai that it is the support from and the participation of the led that accrues a leader. In other words, the leader in leadership, reflects the colour and gravitas of his/her LED. And it is the LED who will SEE the leader to be leading. I hope I'm making some sense here. So not only do I agree with Hon. Madiba, I understood what he was sharing, and I try to adapt that to any environment of LEADER and LED. Just imagine, If Madiba had taken the various bribes and prospective rewards of the criminal Aparthied governments to join them, would he have been Madiba you will be proud to quote today? Would he have come out alive from Robben Island concentration camp without his LED firmly behind him? Hons. Halifa, Ousainou, Sidia, Hamat, and Mai have all refused and rejected Yahya's various offers at pacification. They have been persecuted and continue to be persecuted. Their LED now escoriate, belittle, and villify them in listless chatter and other pannafore for selfish interest. Let us see if we can adapt great sayings and inspiration of the Madibas of this world, to our own, if self-made, conditions.
[Taking Risks and Being Visionary that is what the 1.5 million(your count)Gambians clamor for.] SB
I would imagine so SanyangBa. And the 1.5 million have the capacity to take RISKS and to become VISIONARY.
[Given 17 years still stuck at Oyster Creek bridge can't reach Banjul is very very troubling for majority Gambians and for a significant some Tragic.] SB
Indeed SanyangBa. I'm with you here. It could as well be 20 years stuck at Kartong bridge. It is the monotony and sheer boredom of being stuck in one place for a long time (4 hours) that will likely render you lethargic. On the other hand, we have seen survivors of earthquakes and tremors who have been buried in rubble for days, HELPED out alive. They have a fighting spirit because they understood the value of what they're fighting for and the confidence that their fellow citizens may be above, also fighting to RESCUE them.
[since jammeh is a non issue (to argue otherwise is to legitimize his reign).] SB
EGGZACTLY.
[Where is the Opportune leadership Gambians so earnestly deserve?] SB
The leadership I (Gambian Haruna) think I so EARNESTLY deserveI find in Hon. Ousainou, Hon. Halifa, Hon. Sidia, Hon. Hamat, or Hon. Mai. I also find it in some of my coleagues such as Hon. JDAM, Manyumma, Ndey Tapha Sosseh, the Late Dr. Omar Touray, Karamba, Karim, and others too many to mention individually. When SanyangBa discovers the OPPORTUNE LEADERSHIP he thinks he so EARNESTLY deserves, please do let us know. Perhaps we will have a confluence of prospective leaders and that will be a good starting point to yield commoner relief.
[Talking about query(???), that is my query. 'How to achieve the Noble Ideals so succinctly expoused by Mr. Cue' is a statement for my mental reservation (Thinking Aloud).] SB.
I understand SanyangBa. Perhaps now you will understand that I understood your queries and anxieties all along. Don't be given too much to rhetorical flourish. I'm beginning to love you. I encourage you to follow my conversation with Fabakary of Baddibu Salikene. I will warn you however that his real name is not Fabakary and he's not from Baddibu Salikene. ANd contrary to Dad Nyang's fears, Baks is here with us. He only chose to avoid the kiln of Ellen and purvey his ware at Maafanta.
Dad, if its any consolation, please feel free to share my notes at Maafanta if Baks will avoid coming to Ellen to be further educated. WHat I will share with my coleagues and fellow citizens (via Baks' notes) is Political Algebra. He shared Political arithmetic. It is time he proceed to class 2. I will separate his more sober notes from, and deal with, his clueless wayfaring. That means class 2 will last only for as long as it takes to explain one paragraph. I know you're restless Dad Nyang. SanyangBa ikana Dad Nyang Dankung. A koh lekaa Nganyaa, abuloo mang janfa.
Your brother Haruna. If you're still in search of a leader SanyangBa, I'd like to solicit your support to be the leader you deserve. Fell free to scrutinize me and reject me if you don't think I meet your qualifications. In private or in Public here at Ellen. That is the risk I am willing to take to become your preferred leader.
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From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Fri, Jul 22, 2011 2:54 pm
Subject: Re: [G_L] Sanyangba, Democracy & Freedom of Expression --The Point Newspaper
Sanyang Ba, I thought someone would share some ideas with you because you wondered how we could rid ourselves of Yahya according to your query: "With Mr. jammeh at the helm of our state of affairs and the current leadership of the Opposition parties one is left to Wonder how to achieve the Noble Ideals so succinctly expoused by Mr. Cue."
Farang.
I'll take a crack at it:
1. Mr. Cue shared with us that Democracy and democratic life are incompatible with Dictatorships and Tyranny.
2. Mr. Cue also shared that Sanyang Ba and Haruna are part of the equation of their own oppression by the monied and powerful because we pick them up, put them on an undeserved pedestal, and we label them "Elites".
3. Mr Cue also shared with us, as I have been sharing with you for a decade now, that Democracy is a process not an event. In other words it is evolutionary and it has to be kneaded and Lived. Democracy is a lifestyle.
SO those were the NOBLE IDEALS Mr. Cue was so succinctly espousing. I actually thought you were aware of those noble ideals prior. Be that as it may, your first query goes something like this: "With Mr. jammeh at the helm of our state of affairs one is left to Wonder how to achieve the Noble Ideals so succinctly expoused by Mr. Cue".
Now because Mr. Cue intimates that dictatorships and criminal syndicates (take your pick), are NOT COMPATIBLE with Democracy, it means that Yahya will have to be removed by the appropriate parties who are affected by Yahya. That means Gambians.
Your next query goes som'n like this: "With the current leadership of the Opposition parties one is left to Wonder how to achieve the Noble Ideals so succinctly expoused by Mr. Cue".
This one might be a bit easier. Firstly, the current leadership of the opposition have not demonstrated that they are incompatible with democracy or democratic life. In fact they are the closest to the manifestation of Democracy you have in Gambia. You had them before Mr. Cue came to share inspiration with you. Secondly, We have only 4 or 5 opposition parties and therefore leaders in Gambia. I think one or two of them are outside Gambia at this moment. However, we have almost 1.5 million more citizens of Gambia who are not leaders of any of the opposition parties. Surely the opposition leaders could not possibly be in the way of the citizens of Gambia ridding themselves of Yahya.
I wouldn't worry about the current opposition leadership therefore Sanyang Ba, if the desire is to remove the incompatibility of systems.
Thank you for your query.
Haruna.
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From: sanyangfarang <[log in to unmask]>
To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:52 pm
Subject: Re: [G_L] Democracy & Freedom of Expression --The Point Newspaper
With Mr. jammeh at the helm of our state of affairs and the current leadership of the Opposition parties one is left to Wonder how to achieve the Noble Ideals so succinctly expoused by Mr. Cue.
Farang.
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From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:02 am
Subject: Re: [G_L] Democracy & Freedom of Expression --The Point Newspaper
Thank you Yero for sharing the Point Newspaper and the eminent Mr. Eduardo Cue. I have taken the liberty of lifting these few sentences from Eduardo's commentary for I think they are appropriate and time-insensitive. A week or two ago Yero, you had sought an explanation for Yahya's serial abductions of citizens on the excuse that they "presented false statements to public officials". I shared that instead of our dis-utilitarian focus on revamping the constitution, it is the incompatibility of dictatorship with democracy and democratic life. I am pleased Eduardo buttressed that succinct idea. JDAM also added to our edification that we cannot do revampings without a total overhaul of the gangster and criminal government we currently have. Perhaps with the eminent Eduardo's input, I think the way forward is clear now. What it tells me is that in our quest for coalitions and alliances, the undue, if disgraceful concern for "future crime", if unwarranted, is itself criminal. Haruna.
I now give you the eminent Eduardo Cue:
“The fundamental problem is that in any system including established democratic systems, those who are in power and those who hold economic, political and social powers are those we call the elite. We think they know better and they think that they are keys to the truth; they think that doing it in their ways is the way to move forward,” he added
According to him, dictatorship is impossible with freedom of expression. This, he said, is because dictatorship simply cannot operate with freedom of expression. “It simply cannot happen for reasons that are quite obvious and it is impossible to speak of democracy without talking about freedom of speech,” he stated.
Democracy, he said, is a process not an event.
Eduardo Cue.
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To: MightyPost <[log in to unmask]>; aaagpu usa <[log in to unmask]>; a Gambia-L <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:27 am
Subject: Democracy & Freedom of Expression --The Point Newspaper
Democracy & Freedom of Expression
http://thepoint.gm/africa/gambia/article/democracy-is-impossible-without-freedom-of-expression-veteran-us-journalist
This is a great gesture from the US embassy in Banjul.
I was just wondering how can they relate to Jammeh if they continue to organize things of this nature -maybe a personal non-grata is limping in the wilderness for someone out there soon.
Please read and share with others....
Thanks,
Yero
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