KB

An amonut of respect might be very important  for the future,Sidebeh is not my
boy and infact he is older than I am.He is not your class when it comes to
political understanding of events,you can see it in his writtings,simple and
clear.
For Freedom
Saiks

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>Saiks, good advise to your boy. As you know, I do NOT take prisoners.
>KB
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>>From: saikss <[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>><[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: MOJA CASE FILE (1)
>>Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 18:40:10 +0100
>>
>>Sidebeh,
>>
>>Please do us a favour and Ignor KB,some of us are enjoying reading you.His
>>chest pounding infantile behavour is no interesting political substance.The
>>30
>>years of the brutal political oppression and economic mismanagement of the
>>PPP
>>regime is not a history invented but the activity of life human beings.KB
>>is
>>part of those who made this  dirty history of our dear Country, that he is
>>said to be Kebba Jallow,is enough to draw the lines,there is a dialectical
>>developement of every objective political and economic situation,this
>>simple
>>political understanding needs no big interlectual head to understand.
>>
>>For Freedom
>>Saiks
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> >Sidibeh, you make me laugh. I did NOT know you were this terrified of me.
>> >Get a grip, boy. I will NOT do anything to you; BUT make you accountable
>>for
>> >your utterances on G_L. Reread my posting to you yesterday that is making
>> >you so worked up. It only attacked what you wrote on G_L. I do NOT care
>>who
>> >you are or where you are from. Makes no difference to me. I do NOT know
>>you
>> >and NEVER heard of you before I came to G_L. Since you decided to run
>>with
>> >your tail in between your legs this time, I will let you go. Keep having
>> >nightmares that you are dealing with a knight in shining armor (steel
>>mask).
>> >I CANNOT do anything about that your predicament. But as I told you, you
>> >start obsessing about PPP and lying about Gambian history, I will be on
>>your
>> >back like an ‘overbearing tortoise’ (whatever that means). I wonder what
>> >makes you think that whining about me will free you from me and give you
>> >license to tell lies on G_L.
>> >
>> >You are so funny. Frankly, I NEVER thought I was this scary to remind you
>> >about a ‘vulgar cartoon on MTV’ with all the gory details you gave us.
>>You
>> >should stop watching those kids’ shows and get your act together. I will
>> >ignore your other comments for now and deal with you again when you sober
>> >up.
>> >KB
>> >
>> >
>> >>From: Momodou S Sidibeh <[log in to unmask]>
>> >>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>> >><[log in to unmask]>
>> >>To: [log in to unmask]
>> >>Subject: Re: MOJA CASE FILE (1)
>> >>Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:54:05 +0100
>> >>
>> >>Kebba "Daafa" Dampha!!
>> >>
>> >>In a vulgar cartoon on MTV, Celebrity Deathmatch, Marilyn Manson carries
>>a
>> >>whizzing chainsaw and slices off Madonna's neck. Your behaviour on this
>> >>list reminds me of that sort of customized bloodletting!! Once again,
>>Kukoi
>> >>and his men were a horrendous nigthmare! and MOJA had written in detail
>> >>about that elsewhere, many times!!! So, you have a Senegalese friend
>>who's
>> >>gone mad because of what happened to him in Gambia? That is just too
>> >>unfortunate.
>> >>It also happened that when the lifeless body of one of our best
>>musiscians,
>> >>Pa Njai 'Base' of the IfangBondi was driven into the depot, I was there.
>> >>Half his skull had been blown away by a Senegalese soldier! A small
>>group
>> >>of armed Gambian field force mad at the sight of Pa Njai's dripping
>>brains,
>> >>rushed out three Senegalese soldiers they had captured in battle, lined
>> >>them against a wall and cocked their weapons for a summary execution,
>>right
>> >>on the spot! Kukoi immediately intervened and saved their lives.
>> >>
>> >>Instead of seriously pondering over what went wrong with your
>>nonsensical
>> >>predictions about "Jammeh is Finished", I see that you are still
>> >>ridiculously hanging on to your UDP/PPP warlordism. No, you cannot get
>>me
>> >>into debating with you this cheaply. If that is what you want, you will
>> >>have to prove you are not a severe coward, tirelessly billowing so much
>> >>gushing prattle on Gambia-L.
>> >>
>> >>You will have to go through a Bessemer Process ( a steel bath -  Swedes
>> >>call it), get laundered and perfumed, and shed  that heavy and
>>overbearing
>> >>tortoise shell of yours. Earlier on we called this list a Bantaba; and
>>no
>> >>one goes to the Bantaba wearing a heavy steel mask My name is Momodou
>> >>Sidibeh and I am from Kartong. Wha's yours and where are you from? Tell
>>me,
>> >>and we can then talk the talk! Otherwise, as far as you are concerned,
>>I'm
>> >>gone!
>> >>
>> >>Momodou S Sidibeh,
>> >>Stockholm/Kartong.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>----- Original Message -----
>> >>From: "Dampha Kebba" <[log in to unmask]>
>> >>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> >>Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:35 PM
>> >>Subject: Re: MOJA CASE FILE (1)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Karamba, thanks for your astute observations and pointing out the
>>sloppy
>> >>job
>> >> > Sidibeh did in trying to rewrite Gambian history; yet he is the first
>> >>person
>> >> > to accuse people of doing just that. I mean, how can anybody profess
>>to
>> >>be
>> >> > giving an unbiased account about Gambian history surrounding the
>>events
>> >>of
>> >> > the 1981 and not point out the despicable and irresponsible behavior
>>of
>> >> > criminals like Kukoi Samba Sanyang that sought to ILLEGALLY overthrow
>>a
>> >> > democratically elected government? Should Sidibeh be taken seriously?
>>Do
>> >>I
>> >> > detect someone who is so obsessed with PPP that his view about
>>Gambian
>> >> > history is clouded?
>> >> >
>> >> > It is good that some put Sidibeh's thesis in perspective. No matter
>>what
>> >> > reservations people had against the Jawara regime of 1981, Gambia was
>>an
>> >> > independent nation with laws. Those laws said that if someone wanted
>>to
>> >> > overthrow the government, they had to do so through the ballot box.
>>Does
>> >> > anyone have the right to think that because most Gambians cannot read
>>or
>> >> > write English, real Democracy cannot thrive in the country and
>>therefore
>> >>it
>> >> > is justifiable for a bunch of thugs to overthrow the government
>>through
>> >>the
>> >> > use of force? This argument is ludicrous. Who told Sidibeh that
>> >>Democracy
>> >> > can only be implemented through the medium of English? It is this
>>type
>> >>of
>> >> > condescension I cannot stand from these people that think they know
>> >>better
>> >> > than the Gambian folks and they need to teach and empower people.
>>People
>> >>do
>> >> > NOT have to go to school to know who to vote for. By the same token,
>> >> > education in English does NOT guarantee that people are going to make
>> >>sound
>> >> > decisions at polling booths. People like Sidibeh's comrade (Sarjo
>> >>Jallow)
>> >> > have all the education Gambia can offer. They still vote for child
>> >>murderers
>> >> > and thieves to stay in office. How did Jallow's 'education' help him
>>to
>> >>fare
>> >> > better than say the poor farmer in URD that LIVES the plight of
>>farmers
>> >>in
>> >> > the country and decided to vote for the Opposition? What 'education'
>> >>does
>> >> > for the vermin back home, is to give them jargon to rationalize
>>murder
>> >>and
>> >> > mayhem. Their 'education' help them to bamboozle gullible Gambians to
>> >>think
>> >> > that it is better to stand child murderers than vote Darboe in
>>because
>> >> > Darboe 'might' bring back the PPP folks.
>> >> >
>> >> > Darn right we will NOT sit idle and allow Sidibeh to portray the
>>bandits
>> >> > that partook in the 1981 rebellion as some patriots 'saving' our
>>country
>> >> > from foreign invaders. Talk about rewriting history. The man would
>> >>rather
>> >> > give space to some ridiculous rumor about Ebou Taal than address the
>> >>roles
>> >> > of criminals like Kukoi Sanneh and Pap Cheyassin Secka and Simon
>>Talibo
>> >> > Sanneh. What is wrong with this man? Did Sidibeh care about the
>>numerous
>> >> > Senegalese citizens that lost their lives trying to save Gambian
>>lives?
>> >> > NOTHING about that in his postings. To this day I have a Senegalese
>> >>friend
>> >> > that is mentally ill from the trauma these poor soldiers faced
>>fighting
>> >>an
>> >> > indiscipline bunch of bandits that did NOT respect the rules of the
>> >> > battle-field. This is simply sick. What responsible revolutionary
>>would
>> >>free
>> >> > (criminals) prisoners and give them arms and ammunition and unleash
>>them
>> >> > unto innocent citizens? Kukoi and his gang of bandits were committing
>>a
>> >> > crime (trying to illegally overthrow the government of the day). The
>> >>then
>> >> > president exercised his constitutionally mandated duty to invite a
>> >>friendly
>> >> > country (since we did not have an army then) to stop the crime. Now
>> >>Sidibeh
>> >> > wants history to record that the criminals that brought anarchy to
>>the
>> >> > country are patriots fighting foreign invaders? And when you asked
>>him
>> >>about
>> >> > his gaps the man arrogantly told you that the matter was dealt with
>>in
>> >>some
>> >> > publication in 1994. A lot of the things he said in his piece are NOT
>> >>news.
>> >> > They have been dealt with before. Yet he felt the need to talk about
>> >>them
>> >> > now. I guess it is OK when the matter is unfavorable to PPP. But when
>>it
>> >> > comes to pointing out the crimes that were committed against PPP,
>> >>Sidibeh
>> >> > will conveniently ignore those.
>> >> >
>> >> > Finally Karamba, I am glad that you made it abundantly clear (at
>>least
>> >>to
>> >> > me) that despite that you are a staunch UDP supporter and you
>>supported
>> >>the
>> >> > Alliance, you by no means condone some of the bad things that PPP did
>>in
>> >>the
>> >> > past and you were at no time advocating that PPP vices should return
>>if
>> >> > Darboe were to be elected by the Gambian electorate. This is the
>>point
>> >>we
>> >> > tried to drum into the heads of people like Sidibeh, but they simply
>> >>would
>> >> > NOT get it. We are NOT PPP apologists. Having said that, we will NOT
>>sit
>> >>by
>> >> > and allow people to lie about PPP and in effect portray Yaya as a
>> >>'savior'.
>> >> > By the same token, we will vehemently protest if people dubiously try
>>to
>> >> > portray Darboe as a stooge. Thanks again for your contributions. God
>> >>help us
>> >> > from the 'educated Gambian'.
>> >> > KB
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > >From: [log in to unmask]
>> >> > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>> >> > ><[log in to unmask]>
>> >> > >To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> > >Subject: Re: MOJA CASE FILE (1)
>> >> > >Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 19:50:53 EST
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Mr Sidibeh,
>> >> > >                  Thank you very much for a very well written
>> >> > >retrospective. I
>> >> > >am especially impressed with your sequencing of events and your
>> >>perspective
>> >> > >of an organization you seem to demonstrably understand and care
>>about.
>> >> > >While
>> >> > >ideologically I am on the opposite side of the spectrum relative to
>> >>Moja ,
>> >> > >I
>> >> > >believe your absence from the body politik from the time of your
>> >>inception
>> >> > >has diminished our overall democratic experience.Gambia like any
>> >>society
>> >> > >looking to positively forge ahead has to have it's full compliment
>>of
>> >>ideas
>> >> > >and participants actively involved in the crucial business of
>>improving
>> >>our
>> >> > >society and the lives it's people. I was also struck by the very
>>candid
>> >> > >reasons you advance for the current near comatose state of Moja. You
>> >> > >justifiably apportioned significant blame on the Jawara regimes
>> >> > >heavy-handedness and also lethargic leadership from within MOJA. In
>>a
>> >> > >strange
>> >> > >way, both of these reasons point  to what I call a destructive
>> >>propensity
>> >> > >for
>> >> > >self preservation deeply embedded in the Gambian psyche. Sending
>>field
>> >> > >forces
>> >> > >to arrest seemingly innocent people espousing new and different
>>ideas
>> >>was
>> >> > >the
>> >> > >flawed response of a regime that was much more interested in
>>preserving
>> >> > >itself than fairly contesting ideas. Similarly the expedient
>>judgment
>> >>of
>> >> > >some
>> >> > >of your colleagues to jump into Yahya Jammeh's bandwagon under the
>> >>spurious
>> >> > >pretext that it was a credible revolution point to the same selfish
>> >>streak
>> >> > >lurking in the hearts of many a Gambian.There is simply nothing some
>> >>people
>> >> > >would not do to meet selfish ends. In the process good people and
>>good
>> >> > >ideas
>> >> > >become casualties.
>> >> > >     I did find two phrases troubling. You said MOJA did not support
>> >>the
>> >> > >Kukoi
>> >> > >coup  but it's members went ahead and armed themselvesf to defend
>>the
>> >> > >country
>> >> > >from invading Senegalese soldiers sustaining casualties in the
>>process.
>> >>I
>> >> > >can
>> >> > >understand on grounds of nationalism for Moja to characterise the
>> >> > >Senegalese
>> >> > >as invaders and thus the need to attempt a defense. What troubles me
>>is
>> >>the
>> >> > >fact  that you attribute none of the   violence that was
>>precitipated
>> >>by
>> >> > >looting and the general breakdown of law and order to Kukoi and the
>> >> > >coupists.
>> >> > >I do not think Kukoi would  strike you as being a responsible
>> >>revolutionary
>> >> > >whose rhetoric or methods was a prelude to anything but anarchy.
>> >>Similarly
>> >> > >you stated that Moja opposed the Jammeh coup in principle but
>>decided
>> >>to
>> >> > >offer critical support.Since you did  not elaborate on what that
>>means
>> >>,
>> >> > >I'd
>> >> > >like to ask for a clarification.Did you mean you supported the coup
>> >>just as
>> >> > >a
>> >> > >tansitionary episode? Do you still support the APRC regime?
>> >> > >  I look forward to your response
>> >> > >Thanks
>> >> > >Karamba
>> >> > >
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