Kukeh, the PRECEPT is from yours truly or Dabo-Jula as you behold. That means your beef is with me. Maiga's journal begins and ends as stated. Columbians!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now as to your anxieties variously (I knew I shouldn't have translated nuttin'.);
[Haruna, Thank you for the summary but I still have many complaints. What do they mean by "democratic governance"] Barnacle Kukeh
Democratic Governance is that governance Kukeh will decide he prefers and then come together with his fellow citizens (Haruna, Beanstalk, Nyamorkono, Galleh, Saiks, Cherokee, Kabir, Bilal, Hernando-Ky, Bailo, Yero the tree Tilo the sun, and all other desiring fellow citizens, to draw up a contract (constitution) and set about implementing.
[when we have a bunch of self-imposed "saviors" hunting down some members of the community, so-called enemies?] Kukeh.
Self-imposed saviors are clansmen, tribesmen, dictators, Oligarchs, Theocrats, MNLA bandits, AQMI armed robbers, Kings, Czars, etcetera. What're you talking about Kukeh? That is what democratic governance eschews. I don't really know what you're gettin at Kukeh!!
[What is the difference between the time of "clan and tribal dynasties" and the time of these so-called military rulers?] Kukeh.
What military rulers are you talking about Kukeh? I hope it is not the interventionist CNRDRE?????? If that is whom you infer, the CNRDRE offered Mali a new lease on democratic life. They ushered in the requisite hard-turn or mid-course correction that is required to reorient for democratic governance. In as much as democracy is the preferred way of life for the world's people, negligence and reckless abandon threaten to derail it. Democracy must be maintained just as we maintain our homes and family. It requires routine review and adaptation because it not discrete. Democracy is as dynamic as our life and nature are. Infact it is because we are dynamic beings and nature is a collection of dynamic processes that democracy is implicitly dynamic. A lazy people cannot accrue any meaningful democratic life/governance.
The difference between clan and tribal dynasties and military governance is an entirely separate comparative study Kukeh. That has nothing to do with democratic governance or life. The comparative governance study you suggest Kukeh promises to be inspirational. Right out of the gate I could offer you the following:
A clan is a collection of distinct and closely related families.
A tribe is a collection of such clans associated by industry and culture.
A military is a security and defense mechanism for a nation of clans and or tribes.
.... in increasing order of governance superiority.
[Do they want us to believe that peace have finally arrive in Mali?] Kukeh.
I don't think you've had your daily ration of Rwandan coffee yet Kukeh. Does who want us to believe .....? Everything before Maiga's journal comes from me, myself, and I. And I am not trying to convince anyone about war or peace coming to Mali. Based on Maiga's journal about existing conditions in Gao, I made a pivot for democracy. Obviously Mali is not at peace and for good reason. Half of the territory is occupied by armed bandits and a coterie of theocratic criminals. What're you talking about Kukeh???? I refuse to believe that what I or Maiga shared can provoke such confusion in the eminent Kukeh. WHat troubles you Kukeh???? I don't understand. You are not asking the right questions of me or Maiga.
[Call it the operation was a success but the patience died] Kukeh.
Hangh???????????? What operation???????? What patient died???????? Kukeh are you referring to the CNRDRE intervention or the bandits' overrunning of Aguelhoc or the MNLA secessionist movement for more comprehensive banditry?? For primer, I share with you that the CNRDRE is an adhoc committee formed by the interventionist Kati military officers. The Kati military base is the third largest base and the largest in Mali in terms of operational and logistical scope. The mutiny and intervention was preceded by demonstrations of military children just after Aquelhoc and Tessalit were overrun by the armed bandits resulting in the massacre of their parents. The military children of the Aguelhoc and Tessalit soldiers were not only from Kati region. In fact most of them are from Kita Region where the pritanee militaire is located. The soldiers of the Aguelhoc and Tessalit bases came from the district of Bamako, Kayes, Segou, Sikasso, Timbuktou, Koulicoro, Gao, Mopti, and Kidal regions - bref, all of Mali's regions. The CNRDRE committee included military officers from other bases. The only ones who were recalcitrant to join the CNRDRE were the officers in ATT's guard corps which are the elite commandos called the Berets Rouges (Red-berets). ATT launched his coup d'etat some decades ago as part of this elite commando corps. They were the favourite corps of ATT's governments and they benefitted inordinately in remuneration, development, equipment, and emoluments at the expense of the other military and security divisions. The reason why they couldn't bring themselves to join their fellow officers of the Mali security corps was because they wanted to maintain those privileges and return ATT to leadership of Mali. That is unconscionable.
Kukeh, the reason why the masses and some conscientious politicians like Mariko supported the CNRDRE intervention was because the CNRDRE and the interventionist were fighting for the soul of Mali and they formed the majority of Mali's security corps - the one that is charged with the maintenance of Mali's territorial integrity and the safeguard of citizen fundamental human rights delineated in the Mali constitution. I think you already know that ATT was a military man. Does this mean his government was a military government???? Perhaps. Perhaps not. All Malians know is that he was found grossly negligent bordering on high treason for nurturing such fatal discrimination within the security structure. This led to the reckless abandon of Mali soldiers in Tessalit and Aguelhoc at the Algerian border. ATT was also grossly negligent in welcoming and receiving the former Tuareg soldiers of fortune in the Gaddafi militias along with the arms and munitions they stole from the armories of the Libyan people. This constituted theft by affording sanctuary to thieves and stolen goods. You wanna know what happened when the soldiers of Kidal and Gao fled to neighboring Niger and Burkina????? They were dispossessed of their arms and munitions at the borders by the soldiers of these nations. These arms and munitions are the property of the people and nation of Mali and must be returned to the rightful owners or used for the benefit of those owners. So whenever we get ready to fuck the criminal clerics up, those arms and munitions will come in handy.
Kukeh I don't know what your beef is with the interventionist CNRDRE or the people of Mali but without the relevant questions, this is the best I can do. You surprised me Kukeh. Of all people, I would think you can appreciate complex issues like these more readily.
Haruna. Over and out. I am not too happy with you right about now. BTW, Mali has a mixed civilo-military transitional government that does not include the CNRDRE interventionist officers or former ATT government officials. There's much to be said for the CNRDRE self-lessness. For God and country.
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From: Malanding Jaiteh <[log in to unmask]>
To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tue, Jun 12, 2012 12:51 pm
Subject: Re: [G_L] Mali crisis update: Our friend Moussa Maiga brings us TheGao journal. Haruna.
Haruna,
Thank you for the summary but I still have many complaints. What do they mean by "democratic governance" when we have a bunch of self-imposed "saviors" hunting down some members of the community, so-called enemies? What is the difference between the time of "clan and tribal dynasties" and the time of these so-called military rulers? Do they want us to believe that peace have finally arrive in Mali? Call it the operation was a success but the patience died".
"Given the choice between imperial , bla bla bla, I don't want to hear it, Haruna! Sorry
Either the write is trying to divert out attention to the real tragedy that is Mali 2012 or he doe not see beyond his nose!
Malanding Jaiteh
ps. Darbo Jula, nothing personal, just troubled by what these so-called patriots have done to Mali
On 6/12/2012 12:27 PM, Haruna wrote:
One of the values of democratic governance is the treatment of water and the general distribution of potable water through a network of pipes and canals that is funded by the citizens. This to prevent illness from water-borne disease, reduce the frequency of communal conflict over scarce water resources. Throw in that mix communities of nomadic tribesmen who often have to roam for water and pasture destroying crop farms along the way and acting as newer vectors of disease and crime.
during the times of clan and tribal dynasties, only the affluent could afford boreholes of any significant depth to provide for their herd, family, or clan and to colonize communal oases whose water and forage supply in intermittent and unreliable. Whole communities moved from place to place as nomadic merchants of conflict and crime as global wild and untreated water supplies dwindled leaving in its wake death, famine, and pestilence.
In the advent of democratic governance, we decided to pool our resources and choose among us a number of our fellow citizens to take turns in maintaining a regime of water treatment and distribution facilities instead of "each on his/her own". One person, family, clan, tribe, or religious congregation no longer has a monopoly on our natural resources such as water at the expense of another person, family, clan, tribe, or congregation. This also enabled the ban on inter-communal slavery and destitution aided by galloping and unchecked population growth.
Given the choice between imperial, dictatorial, family, clan, tribal, or religious dynasty, I choose a democratic life. What about you?
Here is Moussa Maiga on existing conditions in Gao: And for Kukeh, I have transummarized to the best of my ability. Hernando-Ky I don't wanna hear it. Haruna.
Gawo : Pénurie d’eau et de …..
Depuis déjà les premiers jours de vie « azawadienne », l’eau potable, a commencé à être une denrée rare à Gawo, comme partout en zone occupée par les groupes armés. Les robinets ne donnaient qu’à compte-gouttes et souvent tard la nuit. A présent et cela depuis quelques jours, l’eau de robinet ne se voit presque plus. Les populations se rabattent sur l’eau d’un fleuve stagnant vu la décrue, souvent infesté de petits vers. Ce fleuve (Isabero) se trouve à quelques 10km de certains quartiers de la ville.
Since the first days of Azawad (Targui) life, potable water has become a rare commodity in Gao as in other counties occupied by the armed bandits. The taps issue trickles of water, often only at night. Now, the taps have run completely dry. The people agony over stagnant pools of water. One of these lifeless pools is the Isabero river found some 10 kilometers from the closest communities of Gao city.
Les transporteurs d’eau qui vendaient le fût (200L) d’eau habituellement à 550CFA le vendent ces jours ci à 1500CFA,soit environ une hausse de 200%. Plusieurs raisons sont avancées par les habitants ; dont la plus crédible (source un agent de l’EDM de Gawo réfugié à Bamako) à mon avis est à chercher du coté de la société de production et de distribution (EDM).
The water hawkers (a legend of earlier times) who used to sell rations of 200L at the premium price of 550 Fcfa ($1.25) now demand 1,500 Fcfa ($3.00) for the same volume of water. And get this; with Sarko's suggested devaluation of the Fcfa, the EURO zone gets half of that $3.00 from the vendor because as he convinced us all, France invested an enormous amount in colonizing Mali, Senegal, Burkina, La-Guinea, Niger, and Codiwarr among others. Besides Sarko's idiocy, several reasons are to blame for this sudden jump in the price of a 200L ziploc bag of water. The most credible according to a worker at the county water and energy authority (EDM) who is now refuged in Bamako, can be found with EDM.
Il s’agit d’une convergence de plusieurs « petits » problèmes qui sont : l’assèchement des bassins d’eau, le rationnement de carburant ( le CICR donnerait dix litres de gasoil par semaine) et le manque de compétences appropriées ; il n’y a présentement à Gawo que deux techniciens locaux comme seules compétences, plus des manœuvres (ouvriers non qualifiés) pour faire fonctionner le réseau d’eau et d’électricité de la ville. Il faut s’attendre dans les jours à venir, si rien n’est fait urgemment, que la ville se vide davantage de ses habitants.
It has to do with a combination of several petit problems namely; the dwindling water storage volume (the water has to actually be pumped in for treatment and distribution, and that is done by our county water works/workers), the rationing of fuel (The theocratic bandits ration fuel at 10L/wk), and the paucity of competent utility workers at the water and electricity plants. If nothing is urgently done in the next few days, Gao town will empty of its remaining population to be refuged elsewhere. WOnder where?
Le Hic : D’après les radios libres (privées) de la ville, plus de trois mille congélateurs et réfrigérateurs étaient installés dans le Camp militaire de Gawo et environ quatre cents autres dans le camp des gardes. Avant la fuite de l’armée nationale, les femmes des camps avaient presque le monopole de la vente de glace et des boissons rafraichissantes locales (lemourhari nda wara). Une cousine, au téléphone me disait ce soir même « nous manquons d’eau et aussi de glace sous cette chaleur étouffante, les femmes des sojey (soldats) ne sont plus là…». Je n’ai pas pu m’empêcher de rire d’elle malgré la gravité de la situation.
According to the community radio stations, more than 3000 icemakers and refrigerators had been installed at the Gao military camp and close to 400 others were at the national guard camp. Before the military fled the advancing bandits, military wives and women had the monopoly on ice-hawking and the trade in fresh drinks - lemonade, ginger ale, mango and orange juices, wonjo, leminaati kabandingo, mboosi ice, smoothies, etc.. A cousin of mine shared with me over the telephone that water and ice are extremely scarce in this God-forsaken desert and the military women have fled with their husbands and families. She couldn't even bring herself to be amused for fear of her jaws locking at the dehydrating listlessness.
MAYGA ABDOU M.
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