Thank you for clearing this out. I wish i have your good writing skills to
back up my analysis more clearly.
Thank you once again.
PF Manneh


>From: Dampha Kebba <[log in to unmask]>
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><[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: UDP EXPELS HON. ALMAMY TOURAY/INDEPENDENT
>Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:36:19 -0400
>
>Joke, again you have exhibited your stupidity. Stop putting words in
>people's mouths. You know you are lying about Manneh. Re-read what he said.
>Among other things, he said: "It is therefore a blunt fact that for anybody
>to win in Niani, the person MUST have the Wollof majority (the same is true
>for upper fulladu west). You DON'T have to campaign on tribal line but you
>need to address specific NEEDS of these people and must deploy tactics that
>will shift their confidence and support to your party." Emphasis mine.
>
>The man categorically told you that parties DO NOT HAVE TO CAMPAIGN ON
>TRIBAL LINES. He simply stated a fact. Without the Wollof majority, you
>cannot win. What is wrong with that statement? Ah! APRC can of course win
>elections without the majority vote. They just have to buy people's cards
>and disenfranchise them. What is wrong in finding out the unique
>peculiarities of certain tribes and addressing those issues? That is all
>Manneh is talking about. Darboe should know for instance that if he goes to
>certain villages in Niani, he should speak Wollof. I see why you easily
>jumped on Manneh. You have a deviant mind. People talk about tribes, you
>start thinking about how to pit one tribe against the other. We are NOT in
>that game. We RESPECT ALL THE TRIBES. We know that when Manned talks about
>'NEEDS', he is NOT talking about pitting people against each other. The
>Wollof majority do NOT 'need' to hear bad and divisive things about their
>neighbors, the Mandinkas. They have more meaningful needs. We will address
>those within ourselves in the Opposition ranks. For purposes of G_L, I just
>pointed out to you one obvious 'need': the 'need' to respect people's
>languages and address them in that language. We want to recognize people's
>differences and celebrate and address those differences in a positive
>light.
>
>Finally, I reassure you that we are always where we were. You come here
>with
>lies, you hear from us. Period.
>KB
>
>
>
>>From: Kebba Jobe <[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>><[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: UDP EXPELS HON. ALMAMY TOURAY/INDEPENDENT
>>Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:39:26 -0000
>>
>>What a load of bull**** from Lamin Manneh. Lamin, analysis of the reasons
>>why Hon. Almamy Touray won in Niani is total bull. You know it, I know it
>>and so does most right thinking Gambians. Any body or party that hopes to
>>exploit the ethnic or religious card to be elected to office will not only
>>loose, but will be humiliated.
>>
>>For the benifit of others, I'll throw more light into why Lamin Manneh's
>>analysis is rubbish. Like I said earlier, to say that tribalism influenced
>>the outcome of the last elections is absolute rubbish. Look at the
>>background of the various candidates.
>>
>>Mr. Almamy Touray comes from a very respectable family who initially
>>hailed
>>from Kayai village. His father was one time a deputy imam of Kuntaur wharf
>>Town. Mr. Manneh hails from Mackah Saderr about 5 Km from Kuntaur. Mackah
>>Saderr was named after Saderr Manneh, his father who was Chief of Niani
>>district until he retired of old age giving way to the election of the
>>late
>>Dodou Ndow. The NRP candidate, Boury Jawo hails from Kuntaur Fulla Kunda
>>and
>>was the son of the late Noperry Jawo a renown and respectable islamic
>>scholar and elder.
>>
>>Until his retirement due to ill health, Mr. Koita Cham represented Niani
>>district for the best part of post independence Gambia. The Cham family
>>originally hailed from Chamen, Nianija. The present upper Fuladu NAM, Mr.
>>Churchill Falai Baldeh was a ward of the late Koita Cham. Incidentally,
>>Niani district has never elected a wollof to represent them in parliament.
>>Therefore Lamin Manneh's assertion that tribal affiliation should be
>>considered when seeking the mandate of our peoples for representation is
>>not
>>only bull, but a very backward way of looking at things this day and age.
>>
>>To say that Talib Bensouda was unpopular in Niani is also absolute
>>rubbish.
>>Talib Bensouda, whose ancestors originally hailed from Morroco was the son
>>of one of Sir Dawda Kairaba Jawara's sisters. He was a successful
>>businessman who went into politics after the retirement of the late Koita
>>Cham. He left politics of his own volition, when he was dropped from being
>>a
>>parliamentary secretary under Sir Dawda and was employed by Bimex. Right
>>now
>>he lives in the US with his family.
>>
>>I know all the above people intimately as I grew among them. Your posting
>>in
>>Janjanburray for a brief spell does not in any way qualify you to make
>>such
>>derogratory statements. How dare you suggest that the people of Niani vote
>>on tribal lines? Do you know that Hon. Almamy Touray was once returned to
>>parliament unopposed? It is very important that people take their time to
>>find out about things that they don't know rather than just speaking for
>>the
>>sake of speaking. George Washington once said that "it is better to keep
>>quite and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt".
>>
>>When I first posted the resignation of Hon. Almay Touray, it was quickly
>>followed by another from Ebrima Ceesay allegedly from one of his sources.
>>What that source failed to say was that I posted the news as soon as it
>>was
>>broadcast on GRTS. It was already known throughout the Gambia by the time
>>I
>>posted that information. The impression given by the counter post was that
>>it was breaking news. It was not. It is very interesting reading other
>>papers or to listen to any of our local radios stations to get the facts.
>>If
>>the allegations levelled against Hon. Almay Touray are the sole reasons
>>for
>>the UDP to "expel him" from the party, is the timing right? What good will
>>it do to the party coming soon after the party suffered a most humiliating
>>defeat in the recent bye-elections? People should ponder over this rather
>>than speculating about Almamy's expulsion or resignation from the UDP.
>>
>>Have a good day and bye 4Now, KB Jobe.
>>
>>To those wondering what my next move is, you don't have to wait long.
>>Kujabi, Jeng, Dampha, Hamjatta, Sanusi, Barrow, Saul, Mboge, I'll get back
>>to you very very soon. I am a bit busy these days and Colly's recent post
>>really upset me. I could not, however resist the temptation to respond to
>>Mr. Manneh's nonsence.
>>
>>
>>>----Original Message Follows----
>>>From: Lamin Manneh PF <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>>> ><[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>Subject: Re: UDP EXPELS HON. ALMAMY TOURAY/INDEPENDENT
>>>Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 13:09:01 -0700
>>>
>>>Mr. Conteh, let me add my little thoughts on this issue. Hon. Touray >was
>>>sitting on a hot UDP chair in parliament. His victory in the last
>>> >National
>>>Assembly Election was mainly due to the fact that APRC failed to  >select
>>>the
>>>candidate of people's choice. The majority of Nianinkas were in for one
>>>Sainey Manneh whose candidature was rejected by the APRC National
>>> >Committee.
>>>Over 3000 supporters of Mr. Manneh in that district change their
>>> >allegiance
>>>from APRC and voted for Hon. Touray. This was the same way he came to
>>>parliament in 1992 when PPP selected Talip Bensouda who was widely
>>> >unpopular
>>>in Niani.
>>>Please allow me for the sake of political analysis only to talk about
>>> >tribal
>>>representation in Niani, how it help Hon. Touray to victory and the >dire
>>>consequences it have on his next election campaign. First here are the
>>>polling stations of last NAM election in Niani.
>>>1. Nyaga Bantang      mainly Wollof
>>>2. Gingori Mustapha   Fullas & Wollof
>>>3. Kass Wollof        maily Wollof
>>>4. Jukul Ndawen       Mainly wollof
>>>5. Dinkirai           Fulla, wollof
>>>6. Wassu              mandinka, fulla
>>>7. Kuntaur            mixed but more mandinka
>>>8. Sukuta             mainly mandinka
>>>9. Kayai              mainly mandinka
>>>10. Kataba Alh. Omar  Fulla and Wollof
>>>11. M'bayen Wollof    mainly wollof
>>>It is therefore a blunt fact that for anybody to win in Niani, the
>>> >person
>>>MUST have the Wollof majority(the same is true fot upper fulladu >west).
>>>You
>>>don't have to campaign on tribal line but you need to addresss specific
>>>needs of these people and must deploy tactics that will shift their
>>>confidence and support to your party. What really happened in Niani >last
>>>NAM
>>>election was that this Wollof majority was grossly dissappointed with
>>> >APRC
>>>when they rejected Mr. Manneh. Two days after nominations in
>>> >Janjanbureh,
>>>a
>>>delegation of five prominent people with 3500 voter's cards and D5000
>>> >cash,
>>>stormed my office to nominate Mr. Manneh as Independent candidate. I
>>>rejected the application because nominations were closed at that time.
>>> >After
>>>an intensive conversation on the election degree, these ardent APRC
>>>supporters left with an ire in their eyes but strong in principle. >Their
>>>last word to me was "we will do to Jammeh, what we did to Jawara", >which
>>>implies voting for Almamo or UDP. The five reps. seemed to like Hon.
>>> >Touray
>>>but not UDP as a party. Hon. Touray eventually won because he got over
>>> >half
>>>of the divided wollof votes and almost entirely the whole of Kuntaur,
>>> >Kayai
>>>and Sukuta areas.
>>>To wrap up, UDP should find out why they are not getting support in
>>> >certain
>>>communities like Niani and help candidates who faces potential defeats
>>> >in
>>>their districts(like Hon. Touray) with appropiate campaign strategies.
>>> >In
>>>fact they should come out with a comprehensive campaign plan for each
>>>district as soon as possible. People like Wa Juwara and Jallow, both
>>> >former
>>>commisioners, could be very useful in that exercise. The way you handle
>>>Kombokas is different from Badibonkas and the same is true throughout
>>> >the
>>>country.  We don't have to discuss that on this forum, but any section
>>> >in
>>>The Gambia has some interesting unique qualities.
>>>Cheers
>>>PF Manneh
>>>NOTE: Mr. Dampha and others, i am not very good in replying people's
>>>comments on postings due to busy schedules. I always appreciate your
>>>brilliant comments on the L. Will send you a private mail soon.
>>>
>>>From: MLJ Conteh <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>Subject: Re: UDP EXPELS HON. ALMAMY  TOURAY/INDEPENDENT
>>>Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 20:22:03 -0400
>>>
>>>Mr. Owens:
>>>
>>>It is interesting that we are in principle as a
>>>united front against the dictator.  Whether we
>>>decide to critic issues in their entity, we have
>>>reasons to be critical of the dictatorship.
>>>
>>>It is disturbing to hear Hon. Touray's expulsion
>>>from Kebba Jobe, though he Kebba said the opposite
>>>of the truth.  It will serve members of the L if
>>>UDP and NRP can have their propaganda secretaries
>>>listed on the L so that we can engage them in
>>>substantive debates.  I commend Brother Halifa Sallah
>>>for coming forthwith with his analysis on PDOIS's
>>>position.
>>>
>>>My position on Hon. Touray's case has not changed.
>>>I believe that the UDP has a moral obligation to
>>>tell us what really happened rather than reading
>>>the trend of events from third parties.
>>>
>>>As we move in a threshold, we as an opposition must
>>>clearly define our purpose and seek unity.  We should
>>>not be in any position to create disarray.  I believe
>>>that the UDP leadership acted improperly in expelling
>>>Hon. Almamy Touray.
>>>
>>>Naphiyo,
>>>
>>>Comrade ML Jassey-Conteh
>>>
>>>------Original Message------
>>>From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Sanusi=20Owens?= <[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>Sent: May 8, 2001 11:24:57 AM GMT
>>>Subject: Re: UDP EXPELS HON. ALMAMY  TOURAY/INDEPENDENT
>>>
>>>
>>>Comrade Conteh
>>>
>>>This was a brilliant point. However, I wonder whether
>>>it is sensible for UDP to have someone like Touray in
>>>their camp.
>>>
>>>I have carefully followed the activities of Mr Touray
>>>as NAM of the UDP. At no time have I heard him made
>>>any significant contribution to the Adjournment
>>>debates.
>>>In addition, I have heard no contribution from Mr
>>>Touray on the following motions sponsored by the UDP;
>>>
>>>The Crude Oil Saga,
>>>
>>>The motion to defeat the Government's amendment to the
>>>Indemnity Act.
>>>
>>>Comrade Conteh,
>>>
>>>Lets face it Almamy Touray's expulsion from the party
>>>is a blessing in disguise. This man already has a
>>>criminal record and it would be difficult for him to
>>>defend his record as an NAM of UDP in the next
>>>parliamentary elections. I think UDP should have
>>>expelled Mr Touray after his release from Beligian
>>>jails. It was an embarrassment to the party, but thank
>>>God the matter has now been settled. According to
>>>reliable sources, Mr Touray is seen as a possible
>>>defector to the APRC. If this is proven to be true
>>>then surely they have taken a wise measure; EXPEL HIM
>>>BEFORE HE EMBARRASSES THE PARTY.
>>>
>>>Having said so, I agree with you that UDP should have
>>>waited until after the dissolution of parliament, but
>>>why should they tolerate someone who lacked the
>>>political courage to defend the party's interests in
>>>parliament?
>>>
>>>Finally, Mr Touray represents a constituency which
>>>were affected by the April 10/11 Students Massacre. If
>>>Mr Touray could abstain from voting on the Indemnity
>>>Act then surely we wonder why he should continue
>>>representing the people of Barrajally,who lost their
>>>kids in that brutal act by security forces of the
>>>APRC.  What message does it give to the Gambian
>>>majority yearning for justice? The NAM who should have
>>>been at the forefront decides to keep silent about the
>>>whole issue. In all fairness, UDP has set its
>>>standards and we should commend them, other parties
>>>should take note that a principles must never be
>>>compromised for individual interests or else political
>>>freedom from APRC will be a myth.
>>>
>>>I understand that it was Kebba Jobe who first sent us
>>>this information entitled a Terrible blow to UDP.
>>>There again we saw our University Graduate in
>>>Engineering trying to act as a passive supporter of
>>>the APRC Government. One fundamental blunder committed
>>>by Mr Jobe was to regard Touray's "resignation" from
>>>the party as a terrible blow to the party. What's
>>>wrong with this man. I have read all his articles, but
>>>this one was the worst. We all know what is a terrible
>>>blow to a political party. Did he read Mr Tamsir
>>>Jallow's comments on Musa Suso's conviction. Did
>>>Tamsir Jallow not say that Musa Suso's conviction was
>>>a terrible blow for the ruling APRC? If Mr Jobe was
>>>honest with the situation, we would heard his views on
>>>this case. Here the party in power got humiliated and
>>>they had to recover by making Touray's expulsion a big
>>>issue. It is my view that Mr Jobe must have been
>>>acting on orders from above to disseminate news that
>>>Touray has resigned from the party in the hope of
>>>diverting attention from the Musa Suso's conviction.
>>>They have used this tactic before, take for instance
>>>the April Massacre. At a time when people were
>>>mourning the death of those youths murdered by the
>>>security forces, APRC decides to announce that Almamy
>>>Touray is serving a prison sentence in Beligium.In
>>>fact this news was always kept under the carpet and
>>>their decison to make it an issue was all political.
>>>The whole ploy by APRC was for people to focus on
>>>Touray's imprisonment and forget about the APRIL
>>>Massacre.
>>>
>>>With this in mind, the APRC have suffered a terrible
>>>blow from last week's sentencing of Musa Suso's
>>>conviction for drug trafficking. If APRC had the guts,
>>>they would have suspended Musa Suso from the party,
>>>but instead even gave him an award some two weeks ago.
>>>I think that award was to indicate that he will be the
>>>First Member of the National Assembly to be convicted
>>>in the Gambian Law Courts.Well Done Musa Suso for
>>>being  Mile 2 Prison's VIP- very important person or
>>>vagabonds in power.
>>>
>>>I await your response.
>>>
>>>Have a wonderful day
>>>
>>>Sanusi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--- MLJ Conteh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >
>>>Pah:
>>> >
>>> > I read with interest your posted message on
>>> > Hon. Almamy Touray's expulsion from UDP.  You
>>> > indicated that one of the reasons was that
>>> > Hon. Touray did not follow party rules of
>>> > conduct and also was silent during the passage
>>> > of the last controversial bill in the legislature.
>>> > You further stated that he was working with the
>>> > enemy forces against the interest of UDP.
>>> >
>>> > I am really concern about the subjective
>>> > interpretation by the UDP leadership in this
>>> > situation.  Hon. Touray was elected to represent
>>> > the people of Niani.  His duty as a member of the
>>> > legislature is to interpret legislative issues
>>> > objectively and if he fails to do sure, he has
>>> > breached a contract with his constituency.
>>> >
>>> > I am further concern that with the present state
>>> > of affairs in our country, the opposition should
>>> > be engaging in building a family tree rather than
>>> > cutting it down.  I do not condone Hon. Touray's
>>> > behavior, but I am concern with the lack of
>>> > independence that elected members must exhibit
>>> > during parliamentary proceedings.  No elected
>>> > representative should robber stamp any initiative
>>> > endorsed by his or her political party.  As we
>>> > reach a finer moment in our struggle, we need to
>>> > embrace each other rather than destroy the
>>> > bridge building initiative that the opposition
>>> > started.
>>> >
>>> > In this analysis, I condemn the leadership of UDP
>>> > for expelling Hon. Almamy Touray.  Hon. Touray has
>>> > all the rights to be a renegade member of The
>>> > Gambian legislature.  I have not heard from the
>>> > speaker or the clerk of the legislature of any
>>> > violations committed by Hon. Touray.  If it is
>>> > true that the gentleman did not violate any
>>> > parliamentary proceeding, then the UDP leadership
>>> > acted unwisely to expel Hon. Almamy Touray.  It
>>> > seems that the UDP leadership is enabling a void
>>> > in inflicting a serious wound to the image of its
>>> > party.  Though I am a passive supporter of UDP, I
>>> > have a duty to disagree in principle in expelling
>>> > a member of The Gambian legislature from an
>>> > opposition party trying hard to unseat a dictator.
>>> >
>>> > Naphiyo,
>>> >
>>> > Comrade ML Jassey-Conteh
>>> >
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