Hamjatta,
I am not finishing with you on this topic,you must have a reply and it will
not be private,I am comming,just needed time.
For Freedom
Saiks
----- Original Message -----
From: Hamjatta Kanteh <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: World Bank President Praises Cuba
> In a message dated 14/07/2001 09:11:52 GMT Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
> > << **How can any serious
> > intellectual argue that Karl Marx was a racist**. Marx spent his entire
life
> > time espousing for social justice and all he can get is for nonentities
like
> > Hamjatta trying to distract us from his immense contribution to social
> > science. This clearly confirms that Hamjatta is still a political
toddler
> > who is not well read to understand the essence of the doctrine of Karl
> > MARX. >>
>
>
> Upon first reading this correspondence, all my instincts were to ignore
this
> writer and his irresponsible comments on my person. On second thoughts, i
> think it would be ill-mannered to ignored him and his off-the-wall
remarks.
> Besides, i have yet to be accused of snobbery.
>
> Invectives aside, this writer is the typical violent-prone fanatical
Marxist
> cocooned in the metaphysical fantasies and illusions of certainty that
> Marxism since Marx seemed to imbibe in so many and in the process,
inducing
> and lulling them to a slumber only death can awaken them from. The
question
> as to whether Marx was a racist had adequately been answered by me in a
> correspondence with Saiks. I will herein provide again the same evidence i
> offered to Saiks. This is Karl Marx in a letter to Friedrich Engels on his
> contempt for Ferdinand Lassalle and all he stood for:
>
> "As the shape of his head and the texture of his skin suggest, he is
> descended from the negroes who joined Moses in his exodus from Egypt
(unless
> his mother or paternal grandmother were crossed with a nigger). This union
> of Jew and German with its negro source was bound to produce a strange
> hybrid. The fellow's importunity is also negro" [Karl Marx, Letter to
> Engels of 30th. July 1862, in Works, Vol. 30, pp. 257-9, East Berlin,
1974.]
>
> To crown it all, he ended by calling Lassalle a "Jewish nigger". Some
> non-racist inclusive internationalist, huh? Worst, Marx at some stage was
> opposed to the abolition of slavery in America on the grounds that freeing
> blacks from slavery would adversely hinder the progress of working class
> white Americans from pre- industrial working class status to industrial
> proletarian status without which the violent end he had prophesised for
> capitalism would not come to be. Saiks, Marx was not only a racist creep,
he
> was a sexist as well. I would like to see you refute this. The workers of
the
> world that Marx had in mind and was calling upon to unite and free
themselves
> from the shackles of "capitalism" were not blacks, browns, yellows and
women;
> but exclusively proletarian white males.
>
> As i intimated earlier above, the writer of the piece i'm responding to
> writes like the typical Marxist fanatical obsessive with low opinions on
> anyone who thinks differently. Why is it that people who profess the
Marxist
> philosophy are so virulently, contemptuously and absurdly opposed to
opposing
> viewpoints? Aside from learning from the character failings of the old
> incendiary himself, Karl Marx - their ideological forebear - Michael
> Ignatieff has written what amounts to the best wiseacre on Marxist
> fanaticism. In a review of the late reconstructed Marxist scholar,
Francois
> Furet's autopsy of communism/marxism/socialism, Ignatieff observed:
>
> "Rage, self-loathing, and aesthetic disdain combined to generate an
> eschatological longing for an escape from what Marx called the "narrow
> horizon of bourgeois right." Though it purported to be a science of
history,
> communism actually promised its believers an escape from history, a leap
> beyond the flat horizon of bourgeois life into a realm of justice and
> equality, abundance and fraternity. This vision of communist paradise may
> have been wholly unrealistic, but it certainly mobilized the emotions of
true
> believers and sustained their abiding hatred of the world as it was.
Fascism
> shared the same furious hatred of the bourgeoisie, the same loathing for
> bourgeois civility and order and profit and prudence, the same
intoxication
> with political violence and ideological extremism"
>
> This explains not only the ideological excesses and illusions of this
writer
> but the breath-taking and pathological disdain the writer seems so full of
> for me - just because i happen to see things differently. I have again
stated
> the evidence that indicts Marx as a racist. Those who see it differently
> ought to come up with respectable antitheses grounded in evidence instead
of
> deluging this List with a plethora of uninformed rhetorical pieties on a
> decisively repudiated philosophy like Marxism. As far as i'm concerned,
and
> despite the insights Marx had made on human existence and relations and
the
> relevance of some of these insights, the edifice he erected with his
> philosophy remains a decisively repudiated one - morally, economically and
> politically.
>
> As i said to Saiks in my last correspondence, this debate has reached the
> point where we ought to respectfully agree to disagree and move on. None
of
> us is likely to change the viewpoint of the other. If people want to
refute
> my evidence that Marx was a racist, i strongly recommend they send it to
me
> privately. As far as i'm concerned, i'm through with this debate on
Marxism
> and related issues - on this List anyway!
>
> Hamjatta Kanteh
>
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