Dishonesty will always continue to be a problem among us. The issues under discussion here have nothing to do with any of you as individual members of the security forces. This is not about you and your record Mr. Chongan, go tell that to those who brought your name in the discussion. Thinking that by displaying a few names of individuals who have held some office and position is good enough to defend the credibility of a whole system is laughable.
The dishonesty is sickening. But none should be surprised, the decadence of the current system cannot be relied on to pass credence to the previous rotten system. The Gambia of the future is one that neither seeks to return to the yester years of Jawara nor is it willing to conform to the present decadence of the Jammeh administration. Our future demands and deserves much better than what both kleptocracies could offer.
On Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:44 PM, abdoukarim sanneh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>Kejau
>I mentioned Ebrima Chongan because he is a show case example of patriotic Gambia. He resist against the coup and spend days unending in Mile 2 when you are dinning with the butcher of Kanillai. Kejau ,when you were in Jammeh's good books you are critical of activism of Ebrima et al. Lot about your green snake character is surfacing.
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>>________________________________
>Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 20:15:30 +0200
>From: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Sidi Sanneh Says Bring the forth the Evidence
>To: [log in to unmask]
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>Col. Chongan.
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>Your name was brought up by Sanneh and not me. It was an open secret that the Gambia Armed Forces was rife with nepotism especially the army. All senior officers major above were from the urban kombos and that was fact.
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>Kejau
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>Sent from Samsung Mobile
-------- Original message --------
>From: abdoukarim sanneh
>Date:25/05/2014 19:56 (GMT+01:00)
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Sidi Sanneh Says Bring the forth the Evidence
>
>
>Ebrima
>Thanks for your clarification. Your records as a decent patriotic citizen who resist against illegal take over is noted. A lot including have subscribe in strengthen Yaya Jammeh criminality and think people will be muted in leaving him to rewrite history with
dishonesty.
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>________________________________
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Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 18:26:57 +0100
>From: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Sidi Sanneh Says Bring the forth the Evidence
>To: [log in to unmask]
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>Kejau
>
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>I am not involved in these exchanges but a point of clarification since you throw a wide allegation that the people from the rural areas where sidelined. That's not true tiro Jawneh, Ebrima Camara, Kaba bajo, lang bong Tamba among others were from the rural areas. I can only speak for myself and the Gendarmerie was run through meritocracy.
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>Just a point of clarification since my name was mentioned.
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>Ebrima
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>Sent from my iPhone
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>On 25 May 2014, at 15:42, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>>Karim.
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>>Thanks for your reply. I am sorry, I brought this anger out of you, so please forgive me for bringing out these facts about your hero, Jawara, but be rest assured my love for you, your party, PPP is unwavering.
>>
>>
>>First, of all, please understand that Jammeh was never my boss, I was in the police complaints and discipline, after my overseas training, which was even before my initial training finished, so I never served in any unit before then. Col. Jagne thought we should never have a Gendarmeries and he wanted to be the IGP. Jammeh was moved to the army, until he took over power by force and that was because the Jawara government failed in their constitutional duty to provide security for Gambians. They failed to do this, by introducing nepotism everywhere including the armed forces, where people from the rural areas, including Burufut, Gungur, are sidelined. This resulted in Banjul/Serekunda and close family controlled Armed Forces. Eventually, no competent senior officer was left after Ndow resigned his commission and Jawara had to bring in Nigerians to command and run the army. This has never been done anywhere in the world and resulted in the break down
of moral, discipline and eventually the coup.
>>
>>
>>You should notice that I avoid using the PPP as much as I can as I believe Jawara single handed run the party as his own and that resulted in him bigger than the party and the country. So your party was never at fault and now they are re surfacing, that is a good thing, so come in as one of your well wishers. This is about Jawara and not the PPP, so let us learn to differentiate the two.
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>>Let me know if you need more on this, please.
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>>
>>Kind regards,
>>
>>
>>Kejau
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
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Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 15:05:43 +0100
>>From: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: Sidi Sanneh Says Bring the forth the Evidence
>>To: [log in to unmask]
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>>
>>Kejau
>>You really need a personality check. Your inconsistent, damn lies fabrication and sick remarks will continue to hunt you In this forum. Keep runing like headless chicken.It is better focus your energy on your former boss which you and your cohort are the
creation to his unending madness. Pretty soon he will be crowned as the king of Gambia.
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>>
>>________________________________
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Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 11:04:53 +0200
>>From: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: Sidi Sanneh Says Bring the forth the Evidence
>>To: [log in to unmask]
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>>
>>Just because folks are unwilling to name names here on scholarship nepotism does not mean it did not exist or that corruption did not exist. Gambia is small and as this narrow exercise imagined by a former Yaya cabinet minister is no yardstick and serves very little purpose so let us widen the corruption charges or move on to Yaya Jammeh. Can anyone for instance name any Yaya minister whose son benefitted for instance, we will see the absurdity of this exercise.
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>>KEJAU
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>>
>>Sent from Samsung Mobile
>>
>>-------- Original message --------
>>From: Musa Jeng
>>Date:25/05/2014 04:23 (GMT+01:00)
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: Sidi Sanneh Says Bring the forth the Evidence
>>
>>
>>Matarr:
>>You might as well rest your case: the reality is that scholarships to university during the Jawara regime were by and large merit driven, and there was a process in place. The reason why they cannot name one single person connected to the political class who
might have benefited from the process, clearly an indication that the allegation was from attaya vous pundits. I am sure that there might have been well connected folks that maybe got scholarships to institutions seen as reputable, but without a doubt were
equally qualified.
>>I guess the point that Sidi is really making is that most of the allegations levelled against the PPP, in regards to corruption were just that allegations, and even the APRC Govt has never been able to back up their claims against the Government of the PPP.
Now, that is not to say there were no corruptions in Government departments, but to say that it was endemic and the PPP Government was in support of it or has never demonstrated a commitment to fight it, is really a stretched. Especially now that we are confronted
with real corruption and abuse of office, it does not make sense to even mention perceived corruptions from the Jawara regime. It somehow gives some justification that what we have now is just a continuation of the norm, and that is far from the truth.
>>Thank you
>>Musa Jeng
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>>
>>________________________________
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>>From: "Bamba sering Manka Mass" <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: "and, The" <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 9:44:59 AM
>>Subject: Re: [G_L] Sidi Sanneh Says Bring the forth the Evidence
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>>Brother kejaw,
>>The Gambia you know is the Gambia I know with so much corrupted history to suit who ever tells it. That is why every town or village has radio Kang kang airwaves. One small lie travels like bushfire and keeps changing tune as it travels in the air.
>>But history both wrotten and oral has made life easier for those in the know. I am a very proud Mandinka though history would have told me outright that hey you are Susu not Mandinka but what is Susu it self if not part of the wider Mandinka geonology?
>>The answer you will find in the Mandinka total hatred of the Susu king Sumanguru. My ancestors ruled the Mandinka for decades but after their defeat, Sundiatta tried to irradicate everything Susso and subjected them to slavery and servitude. These things were
never reported by Mandinka oracle despite the esterblishment of the "Kurugan Fuga" said to fill in a new sense of democracy. Mandinka oracles would always teach us of nothing vut the brutalities of Sumanguru nothing else not even his acceptance of Dankaran
Touman as sub king ruling the Mandinkas as autonomous state only paying tributes to Emperor Sumanguru.
>>Just to share some of the truth burried because of smearing rumours amongst Mandinka people since then. Our last generation of Mandinkas even today rarely refer to Mali rather it is the kaabu empire they talk about most of the time because Mali fell and Sunghai
took over and because our people then hate to even mention Askia Muhammad Touray king of Sunghai a Sarahule as ruler. History is beautiful as in the Mandinka clan today, no one can better claim royalty than I having known who I truly am but this is beside
the point. We are in a democratic world though we may one day hail HRH king Yahya Jammeh under the royal Jammeh blood.
>>
>>--- Original Message ---
>>
>>From: "Bamba sering Manka Mass" <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sent: 24 May 2014 16:09
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: Sidi Sanneh Says Bring the forth the Evidence
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>>
>>Sorry folks I write in a haste thus so many typo errors.x
>>
>>--- Original Message ---
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>>From: "Bamba sering Manka Mass" <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sent: 24 May 2014 16:02
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: Sidi Sanneh Says Bring the forth the Evidence
>>
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>>Brother Kejaw,
>>Am not here to name names but some sons and nephews of haters of Jawara on this forum knows what am talking about. We are no kids we have seens and heard when some haters of Jawara used to say in mandinka " Hanifoo Faraboo" those kind of remarks shows their
level of ignorance.
>>Kejaw Gambia is so intermartied. When late Sheriff S Sisay wooed lady Njemeh for Jawara some Nyaminankas were saying all sort of things. We all used to hear NCP fanatic saying in Mandinka " NAA NATA ALA WURAY, NING FARABOO NATA ALA WURAY" things like that but
Jawara never killed a soul.
>>One NCP candidate in the URD used to say fir him to see a Faraboo head the Gambia is like opening the gates of hell for him. Now sons and nephews if such ignorance are on the L saying what ever goes in their heads. Who knows if they've inheritted such ignorances
of hated? I know what I am talking about that is why I follow most cimments but refused to waste my time to respond. I know what I know.x
>>
>>--- Original Message ---
>>
>>From: "kejau" <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sent: 24 May 2014 15:42
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: Sidi Sanneh Says Bring the forth the Evidence
>>
>>
>>No one is talking here about cast system except Bamba. Gambians rallied behind Jawara despite his betrayal of his religion and his people. Yet those sceptical were proven right as he turn out to not so democratic with them otherwise he would have pass ob the baton and ensure genuine democracy for his people.
>>
>>
>>Kejau.
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>>
>>
>>Sent from Samsung Mobile
-------- Original message --------
>>From: Bamba sering Manka Mass
>>Date:24/05/2014 16:21 (GMT+01:00)
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: Sidi Sanneh Says Bring the forth the Evidence
>>
>>
>>Gambia is funny. It is indeed sad that after decades and decades of independence with so many educated folks around, our nation still has sons and daughters playing merry go round one circle all the time.
>>It is an no secret that most of these anti Jawara fanatics are fighting battles of their fathers, uncles, and relative who have against the PPP for decades and their bases was nothing other than Jawara's caste background. So when Jammeh came most of them saw
it as an open window to have their beef sliced and now when they realised Jammeh would never join their camp and he had even turned against them and everyone hitting all and sundry with his madness and without discrimination, the same anti Jawara fanatics
still turned their anger against the Man they hated since the formation of PPP. Simply because of his being from a leather smith family.
>>In those days most Gambians being so poisoned by their unislamic beliefs of the caste system were unwilling to accept Jawara whom they perceived to being of lower status to them.
>>Who is best in Islam than Prophet Muhammad who history told us was a product of a Slave woman Hajar? Gambians are funny. Look at Senegal these outdated divisive and retarded beliefs were long abolished but individuals who lark proper ideologies would try and
never would they stop until they get their way. That in my view is attacking Allah just like when Firawn refused to accept Moses and his people were no slaves but humans like him.
>>Anyone comparing Jawara to Yahya Jammeh is in every human sense guilty of insulting the Gambian people. Allah says where you humans belittles my servants is where I show my might. It is even evident in even Yahya Jammeh's case being the son of a drummer and
wrestler but you know Jolas do not have caste system. If Yahya was a Gambian Mamdinka, he would have been grilled by his own people. What a pitty. No wonder he is still killing non stop while we continue to infight amongst ourselves. X
>>
>>--- Original Message ---
>>
>>From: "suntou touray" <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sent: 24 May 2014 13:08
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: Sidi Sanneh Says Bring the forth the Evidence
>>
>>
>>Saikou
>>I know Sidi Sanneh knows the truth of the matter. Sidi have all the time in world to respond himself. Ministers and big players then and now hardly look the African University way.
>>It is shocking seeing people play around open secrets. What a joke. The catelogues of unfairness cannot even be audited. It is impossible. Sidi Sanneh knows the truth, playing politics with it is simply sad at his age and academic level.
>>I was reading an Oxford University lecturer quoting Sidi Sanneh yet the same man is contradicting himself with 'bring forward the proof in an endemic corrupt institution'. Lets be serious.
>>The South African truth and reconciliation commission is an example we need to emulate. Let us accept past wrong doings and look ahead. Failure to do that will leave us nowhere. The current situation is self evident calamity...
>>Thanks Suntou
>>On 23 May 2014 21:37, "samateh saikou" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>Matar ,
>>>There is one simple truth here,Jawara and his ministers will never send their sons or daughters to eatern Europe or Ghana to study.their money and connections were too advance for that.it was people like your uncle ,the Koro Sallah,the Bye Sallahs,the Dauda kahs,etc who will go there because it was Even free to study in these countries then A scholarship borad with a mikemosr budet will never attract the attention of the then.Jawara ministers,who spend their summer holidays in western Europe .What people were saying then,which Sidi sannhet did turn arround,was that 'they send their kids to study in western Europe " Kan you ask Sidi how many sons or daughters of the then Jawara regime who applied for schorlaship to Eastern Europe or Africa .
>>>For freedom
>>>Saiks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>________________________________
>>>
Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 12:31:59 -0700
>>>From: [log in to unmask]
>>>Subject: Re: Sidi Sanneh Says Bring the forth the Evidence
>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>>
>>>Nyang, I am not the one to preach morality. You and Suntou keep saying "as far as I know" but are yet to come up with anything. As far as you know, which third parties were funding all the students to African Universities? In regards to "scope" I will ask that you read your first post when you forwarded this to the L. You and Suntou both came thinking the evidence is so easily attainable, but when asked to name one, you start drawing blanks and involved yourselves in muddying the waters. Your call for au Secours are yet to be answered; 4 days and counting, not one single name.
>>>
>>>
>>>And yes, I am categorically stating for the record that scholarships that are for all Gambians should be opened to all Gambians regardless of status. The problem with your "matarr does not see anything wrong..." is that those scholarships did not go to the sons and daughters of the said ministers as you are insinuating, but mostly to Gambians of poorer backgrounds. So, I definitely do not see anything wrong with how the scholarships were allocated. In regards to educating one's offsprings, Jawara was one of the most equitable heads of states in Africa. Unlike his peers, some of his children attended the same public schools that the sons and daughters of farmers attended. In Africa, that is almost unheard of, as most heads of states elect to send their kids to mega rich institution abroad or at expensive international schools in their countries.
>>>
>>>
>>>As for you and scholarships, my uncle attended Crab Island and made his way to Gambia High School before going to Russia were he pursued higher education despite the "state of the institution" he attended in his early days as a student under the P.P.P. If you did not spent hours studying at LK to have good marks that will qualify you for a scholarship, that is on you and not on Jawara. You can however keep blaming Jawara.
>>>
>>>
>>>As for Suntou's policeman analogy, it just shows a man grasping for straws. At least I can name two police officers who were accused of taking bribes. Whether I can ascertain that they are guilty or not, is a different story but at least I have names. The difference here is, you and Suntou believe in the myth but cannot name one single person that you are saying was unjustly awarded a scholarship.
>>>
>>>
>>>I hope your both redirect your efforts into something that is more useful than sitting here a trying to propagate a myth that you cannot prove. For the old guards, it is their duty to defend their record that has been under fire for 40 years, hence why Sidi is asking that you name him 1 person you believe unjustly received scholarship. 30 years in government with one head of state is way too long, and I can assure you that you can and will find a genuine corruption scheme that no sensible being will challenge you on. Until then, this one is not one of them.
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Matarr.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Friday, May 23, 2014 1:35 PM, Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Suntou,
>>>We will continue to see and hear from People like Sidi Sanneh as long as we continue with the current decadence in Banjul. But fortunately for us, we are now smart enough to put their wordsmithry and supposed sophistication under check. Sidi's challenge is well calculated and the motive behind it is akin to the example of the corrupt policeman you just gave.
>>>And as for the likes of Matarr, there no wonder he will want the topic be narrowed to who got a scholarship to Ibadan or to Oxford. They don't see any problem in a situation where a son of a farmer and that of a top executive or administrator, competed for a scholarship whilst the latter who have a relative or parent's associate sitting on the decision making table. for someone like I will not be surprised with them but the good thing is that none of them has a monopoly over the truth.
>>>
>>>
>>>Burama, no, the discussion is not limited to scholarships and the assignment of responsibility of who should come up with the evidence. That narrow alley is being forced through by Matarr because as he told us, he is one of the sons of those former Jawara associates being accused of nepotism.
>>>The discourse is wide ranging as Sidi's rambling touched on political and other issues. Personally, as someone who was in junior secondary school when Jawara was booted out of office I am not one who can accuse any for denying me a scholarship. I may not have been even qualified as a result of the poor state of the schooling I went through. What significant point I pointed out is the supposed lie or attempt to play smart by Sidi where he attributed the reason for the preference of African universities to those in UK and US because of cost. I questioned the veracity of that statement because I far as I know some if not all of the students who went to those African universities were funded by third party resources and not Gambia government funds. But this Matarr is not interested because it serves to expose the fallacy in Sidi's argument.
>>>
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Nyang
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Friday, May 23, 2014 11:01 AM, Burama Jammeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Matarr
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sorry if you think am play games. I thought am contributing to a Gambian discussion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I pointed that if one side ask for 1 proof the other could ask for making public all scholarships issued - that is a tie.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Naming 1 person either side is not going to prove this matter one way or another. The prove will be in making the whole (scholarships issued/managed) under PPP.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Should you have the data and/or know the source - you may prove your point with evidence and prove others on the other side wrong.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>My apologies if I offend your position.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Burama
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Friday, May 23, 2014, Matarr Sillah <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Burama, nice try with your games. You know quite well that what we are asking you is not "data" per say. I think you studied finance and are well aware of the statistical rule that to draw any conclusive evidence, one will need at least 30 samples. What Sidi is asking you is not data but rather making a point that the myth advanced for 40 years is untrue. The number 1 that he is requesting is not data my friend. Do you want me to give you 1 person who received government scholarship who was not the son or daughter of a minister? I can do better and give you 10 if you like but only in exchange of your one. Try this reverse psychology on someone else.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>Matarr
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Friday, May 23, 2014 10:32 AM, Burama Jammeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Matarr
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks again!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>It would be helpful if share the data on this forum. Or you may reach me at [log in to unmask]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Burama
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Friday, May 23, 2014, Matarr Sillah <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Nice try Burama.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Friday, May 23, 2014 10:08 AM, Burama Jammeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Matarr
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I could like to see that data and/or source. I hope it includes all scholarships issued/managed by that government in its entirety.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I feel you that others shouldn't throw out accusations lightly. However the burden of proof to otherwise lies with the public office and not the individual. I'm no lawyer - we may need Mr. LJ Darbo's help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
I would suggest putting forward the data to the forum and/or refer the other parties to reference it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Looking forward to seeing that data.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Burama
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Friday, May 23, 2014, Matarr Sillah <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Burama, yes and my data is ZERO, ZLITCH, NADA. I said no son or daughter of a government minister received scholarships to the U.S or U.K. Perception is reality to some, but that gives no one the right to say unfounded things about other peoples children just because of a grievances or two these individuals may have with the government or institution their parents were serving.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Friday, May 23, 2014 9:38 AM, Burama Jammeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Matarr
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This is tie debate!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I hailed from Jambur/Badibou - I don't these ministers and/or their children. Just kidding!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I can't and I don't think the other parties to your discussion can give names because they were not issuing those scholarships. The question becomes why do they alleged as they did? The answer could be derived from perception and what obtains in other areas. They maybe right and/or wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>However the same can be said about your position to give prove. That is can you prove the sponsor of all the children's of mi
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