[In a message dated 9/6/2008 1:57:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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Haruna, it is my believe that our nation has reached a stage where mere
criticism of a system is not enough. now brothers need to articulate what sort of
politics they would best want in our nation.] Suntou.
Suntou, I think Allah has ready-made you for evangelism. I want to share
with you that our nation has not reached the stage you surmise. For starters,
the nation does not tolerate nor does it value mere criticism. The culture
itself regards criticism as rudeness and conceit. Yahya is the alter-ego of that
culture. How many times have you heard your fellow citizen disappeared or was
assasinated for mere criticism or due-diligence??? Does Deyda Hydara, Koro
Ceesay, CHief Ebrima Manneh, Kanyibaa Kanyi ring a bell??? What world are you
living in? The Religion that you propagate, is what the criminals use for
ally. Might you use that religion to restore sanity in the criminals????
[every one can critise, it is a matter of looking at the shorting coming of
some one or government and a make a case out of it.] Suntou.
Do you not think a case has already been made out of it?? And making a case
comprises critique of the highest order.
[but what is the alternative,] SUntou.
I don't know. But I comfort you that when there is freedom of speech,
expression, association for industry, politics, and worship, I couldn't care less
what the alternative is. If Yahya is trained on these basic principles, there
will have been no need for an alternative. You will see people like Haruna
support, assist, and encourage him to the hilt and discourage his detractors.
[this is where our brothers with the political brains seem dormant.] Suntou.
No Suntou. You are confusing circumspect for dormancy.
[we see the British having a battle line between the liberals and the
consecutive,] Suntou.
But the liberals and conservatives of Britain are both trained on DEMOCRACY.
[and the U.S is divided between the Republicans and the Democrats.] Suntou.
But the Democratic and Republican parties of the US are both trained on
DEMOCRACY.
[what is it that we have that make people to align themselves with a certain
political party?] Suntou.
This should not be your worry, concern, or query my friend Suntou. This is
because it fulfils the cardinal principle of Freedom of Association for
Industry, politics, and or religion. You should cherish this opportunity or you
will not look good as a gagged evangelist. The rights of those people to
alignment, is the same right you have as to religion and associations. I do not ask
you nor worry about why you choose to align yourself with Islam do I? Well
you should not ask me why I would align myself with APRC even if my only reason
is that Yahya is crazy, or with PDOIS even if my only reason is that Sam
Sarr looks handsome to me, or NRP even if my only reason is that Hon. Hamat is
tall, eloquent, and handsome, or UDP even if my only reason is that Ousainou
is smart, handsome, and diligent. The right of such association, when
qualified, becomes criminal.
[ i see it just has blind following. nothing to say this is why i support so
and so party.] Suntou.
This is what I'm trying to share with you. If you want to figure out why any
individual supports a particular party, religion, or is engaged in a
particular industry, your evangelism will suffer an onerous death for lack of spare
time. There are as many reasons as there may be individuals exercising that
right.
[PDOIS may be. is the glue-less kind of politics we will be having?] Suntou.
Suntou. You need to sit back and reflect a bit. Your anxieties are severely
misplaced. Consider that if the majority of Gambians wish to have PDOIS as
their governing party, that inevitably PDOIS then will have been better for
Gambia than APRC. Similarly, if the majority of Gambians desire APRC, UDP, NRP,
or NDAM to be their governing party, they will have been better for Gambia
than the incumbent. The harbinger is for you and your fellow to realize that
freedom of association for politics, industry, and or religion.
[why then do we Want Yahya out if all the alternative parties can do is
only criticise without having any serious ideology as to why people should
support their cause.] Suntou.
Suntou, maybe you have been sleeping for the last 14 years. We want Yahya
out because he infringes on the rights of the citizens. It is not because of
his ideologies. If you, Suntou, were President of Gambia and you trample on
citizen rights because of your Islamic ideologies, We would want you out too.
And it will not have been because of your Islam. It will have been because of
your crimes.
[think about it.] Suntou.
No You think about it. I generally like you but you confuse me all the time.
[what ideology was the PPP base on?] Suntou.
I couldn't care less.
[what about PDOIS,] Suntou.
I couldn't care less either.
[i here it is socialism, is this true? what about UDP?] Suntou.
I couldn't care less. It is crimes within the ideologies that I intend to
ferret out.
[people must have reasons to want to spend their time canvassing for our
politicians.] Suntou.
Indeed. And they do. Where someone is not spending his or her time
canvassing for any politician, it is because he/she has not identified a good enough
reason for canvass and circumstance.
[not just emotions.] Suntou.
I think by emotions you mean chatter and garrulous gaucherie.
[this is where our learned brothers should intervene.] Suntou.
WHy? Why the learned brothers? Why are you wanting someoneelse to do your
work for you? What about the learned sisters, mothers, fathers, sons,
daughters, uncles, nephews, nieces, grandfolk, etc.?
[i read the interview of Dr Abdoulie Saine, unless i misunderstood his
comments, but it seems to me the guys has political ambitions, if truly he does,
why not test his ideas here?] Suntou.
I got news for you Suntou. A person who is contemplating a political career
would not test his ideas here. The best place to do that is on the ground
with the people he/she intends to be political with. Not here at Ellen or Posten
for that matter. And I share with you that there is no harm in harbouring
political ambition. SO Dr. Saine is well within his rights and privileges to
aspire to a political career. The man is a matriculated political scientist
afterall. It is when his ambition leads him to commit crimes that I get
involved. Until then, I encourage Dr. Saine in his future endeavours. Why would you
focus on Dr. Saine anyway? Is he the only Gambian with political ambitions?
Why would you be interested in him testing his political ideas here? Suntou, I
hate to say it but you are engaged in foolhardy right about now.
[recently, Alagie Yero wrote a good analysis of past African leaders
political philosophies, i like that, it explain what was going through their minds
_http://www.allgambian.net/NewsDetails.aspx?id=558_
(http://www.allgambian.net/NewsDetails.aspx?id=558) . but now, in a more advance age, we don't seems to
have any idealist out there. every one is talking about human rights and free
press, yes this is good but it is not all.] Suntou.
Again, Human RIghts and Freedom of the Press are bedrocks of DEMOCRACY and
civilisations. The trick is to identify the human and the press.
[the real issue is leadership and what the leader believes in.] Suntou.
NOOooooooooo!
[this will help in shaping the country and her people.] Suntou.
You're kiddin me!!!!
Suntou, I think you're a very funny man. Well you take us on this grand tour
of mental gymnastics and contortions only to tell us you didn't really have
a reason for the tour. Just passing time. Men. If you were not my friggin
uncle, I'd issue a fatwa against your behind.
Masoud. Your bestest pal. Now that I think about it Kukeh, this augmented
posts idea might be a baaaaad one! these and those extremeties as my friend
Brutus is wont to quip as he drugged himself into a tizzy!! for stabby!! Men.
Even I am tired now.
--- On Fri, 5/9/08, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Fw: Political thoughts
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Friday, 5 September, 2008, 6:20 PM
Suntou,
What is a capitalist democrat? Democrat does not need any qualifier. In the
arena of investment and industry, I believe in securing capital honestly and
making the capital work for you honestly. Purchase labour in the open market
and harness it toward some productive activity. I believe in philanthropy and
charity. I believe in the rights of the physically and mentally challenged.
Religion is a luxury for me but I find relaxation and exaltation in't. I
don't know neither do I believe in a class system. I honour an orderly productive
chain. There you have it. My comprehensive life philosophies.
Haruna. Leave Galleh and Kukeh alone. They're hatin on Charlie for the book
deals and TV appearances. I just hope the man will come on GDP-TV. MQJGDT. Al
whatever.
In a message dated 9/5/2008 1:02:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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So Dr jaiteh believes in the 'patron' mentality? i wonder what the
capitalist democrat al-mutawakil darboe, haruna would say to class system. i wonder.
men like Baba Galleh with good working knowledge in politics have high social
significant, that is positively amean. but the Gambian communist council
would like us to have a classless society, thus, i wrongly assume that Malanding
is a social-democrat. what is your political ideologies? brothers like
myself wish to keep our political philosophies private, but in the presence, we
still hide our respective political stance, what is the need of the presence?
I challenge you elders, Baba Galleh, Alagi Yero, Mathew, Haruna, LJ Darboe,
Malanding, Uncle Joe, sister jabou, i mean the lot of you to bravely grace us
your presence. what political ideologies do you subscribe to? even our Obama
mania doesn't go without his political believes. what is yours? brothers
with leadership qualities and potential are not willing to openly debate their
ideas, here, i mean the G-L has all calibre of brothers and sisters, if u can
be bold and test your ideas, friend you can test it anywhere. well, i am not
expecting any answers as usual, just rambling. sorry, it is Ramadan.
--- On Tue, 25/9/07, Malanding Jaiteh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: Malanding Jaiteh <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: recommend a book
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Tuesday, 25 September, 2007, 1:09 PM
Suntu,
I am no student of politics but my few years on this earth have thought
me that, "even in the land of monkeys there is a pecking order".
While all these theories and stories about equality or classless society
are no doubt great academic exercise, I wonder how much of it is being REAL?
Malanding
Suntou Touray wrote:
>even more on fraser the man .E FRANKLIN FRASER TACKLE THE elite
>mentality .all over the history of man ,the elite has been the stunbling
block of
>true progress ,they aim to subjugate the peasant and the under dogs. in our
>case ,we still have them and we will continue to have this snobery human
>beings .they start from down below ,but when they climb the social
>ladder ,hell break loose .
>if you want to be an elite ,be a good one .look where you started from
,don't
>trade any human being for your progress ,it may reflect on your offsprings
>haha .http://www.bu.edu/bridge/archive/2002/08-30/scholars.htm
>
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