Jah, you're giving me too much trouble. This is what perplexed me:


Once the Prophet (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) passed by a man who was
dmonishing his brother regarding Haya and was saying, 'You are very
hy, and I am afraid that might harm you.' On that, Allah's Apostle
aid, 'Leave him, for Haya is (a part) of Faith.' [Bukhari]I think this is where
the Hadith ended.
And [Haya is translated as modesty but includes self-respect, bashfulness, having
scruples, having awareness of Allah].




I didn't see shy in there. The man is about to lose his wife on account of his
undue shyness. Jah, I just wanted you to add some more discernmets like only
you can. You know we have impressionable minds like Mams. If you don't clear up
the confusion, he will remain silent with an oppressed mind from here on in.
I'm just saying. I am your companion in this journey remmember. I am not challenging
you or the writer. I don't even know when the forward ends and when you start speaking.
Forgive me for any anxiety. Remember Miranda tells us we can plead the 5th and that we
have a right to remain silent. That is when we are suspected of crime and arrested.
SO I wanted you to distinguish this restraint from demure modesty. Jah don't worry we
are in this together. Haruna. I will never challenge you on a Hadith. You have my word
on it. Don't be so sensitive like Suntou.























From: Edi Jah <[log in to unmask]>





Mr Darbo,
As I said here b
efore this series is not my work, I only forward it here.
To my understanding, the writer is not ''equating Shyness (for
hatever reason) with modesty and moral restraint''. As the writer
aid ''Haya is translated as modesty but it includes all of the
ollowing meanings as well: self respect, bashfulness, having
cruples, having awareness of Allah''. So if you swap haya for modesty
 moral restraint, you will not capture the whole message. What you
nterpret as a restrained voice, could be interpreted differently by
thers. I am sure some of the writers on this forum are shy, but that
ill not stop them adding their two pence when they want to or find it
ecessary. Lost in translation, I thought you speak Arabic.
Cheers,
di Jah
On 10/06/2009, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
 Jah, I like the Hadith but I encourage you to refine it a bit further. I
 seem to get the impression you're equating Shyness (for whatever reason)
 with modesty and moral restraint. The brother could have been accmpanying
 his sibling to ask fo the girl's hand in marriage. Ad he ws indifferently
 shy. I look forward to more on this Wuld Ammi. Thanx for sharing. A
 restrained voice is a burdened one. For whatever consideration. Haruna.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Edi Jah <[log in to unmask]>
 To: [log in to unmask]
 Sent: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 8:17 am
 Subject: Fwd: Daily Hadith - A Goodness Through and Through



 A Goodness Through and Through

 asul Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said: “Modest
y is a virtue
 hrough and through, or said: Modesty is a goodness complete.”
 Muslim]
 Once the Prophet (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) passed by a man who was
 dmonishing his brother regarding Haya and was saying, 'You are very
 hy, and I am afraid that might harm you.' On that, Allah's Apostle
 aid, 'Leave him, for Haya is (a part) of Faith.' [Bukhari]
 This hadith tells us that there is nothing bad about modesty.
 herefore, if something is purely good, then however much you have of
 t, it can only be good for you. This is something to especially
 emember in these times when ‘moral’ and ‘modest’ are portrayed as
 backward,’ ‘oppressed' and 'under-confident.’
 A person with Haya does not show off his mind, body, or anything else.
 aya is translated as modesty but
 it includes all of the following
 eanings as well: self respect, bashfulness, having scruples, having
 wareness of Allah. This word is a prime example of how much is lost
 n translation from Arabic to any other language.


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