Joe
Please, my teeths are already falling out without any blows.

Suntou
On 2/3/12, Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Ndokey, Jenkeh domanding ngaa Suntou laa daa fix.
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> Joe
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> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 17:42:05 -0500
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [G_L] The Sand Castle that is Foroyaa!!!! I am terribly
> disappointed in Halifa. Haruna.
> To: [log in to unmask]
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>  Giuseppe, how are you???? WHy are you always angry men??? Later!! Y'en a
> marre!!!
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> Haruna.
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> From: Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]>
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> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
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> Sent: Thu, Feb 2, 2012 5:33 pm
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> Subject: Re: [G_L] The Sand Castle that is Foroyaa!!!! I am terribly
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> Suntou, you bloddy well know that Gambians are waiting for your suspended
> animation and they will wait for eternity if they rely on you folks. Why
> would I have to use you to bring up discussion? To the contrary, it is an
> assault of our sensibilities that you folks acted the buffoon leading to the
> elections and when you delivered what Gambians expected from that
> mediocrity, you promise to fight, which is joke. Fighting is what the
> opposition leaders in Senegal are doing. The joke about your fight is on you
> all, for we all know not a darn thing is happening but Yaya's abuse. Please
> do not insult our sensibilities with this nonsense about Foroyaa. You all
> were the largest, right? The way you in particular clowned around here,
> where is your pride? Ain't got nothing to talk about but some silliness!
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> Joe
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>> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 13:10:15 +0000
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>> From: [log in to unmask]
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>> Subject: Re: [G_L] The Sand Castle that is Foroyaa!!!! I am terribly
>> disappointed in Halifa. Haruna.
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>> To: [log in to unmask]
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>> I wonder who is burying his head and where you stand at the beach side
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>> you at any affirmative action in the safe country of England but you
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>> will always promise to surface. Secondly, Jammeh travelled to America
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>> This is a national struggle, those whose statement matched their
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>> Foroyaa will never look the other way about any issue they found
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>> Of course Joe want to start a discussion which is why, he use the
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>> Foroyaa subject. However, who is he to dictate which topic people
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>> should say something on? If there is a problem in Foroyaa which
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>> becomes public knowledge, why wouldn't people discuss it? Is the role
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>> of Foroyaa not uncovering issues deem relevant for the public? The
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>> staff at the paper want certain issues sorted in order that, they can
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>> practise their duties properly, now the man they thought will keep his
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>> cool in resolving that issue went bersack, isn't that a public
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>> significant matter? If such a man as elavated he was made
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>> categorically stated that, "Don't come to my funeral" to his
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>>  So please, if you have nothing better to say, just be yourself.
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>> Suntou
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>> Suntou
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>> On 2/2/12, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> > Thanks Joe,
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>> > I call it burying heads into sand dunes! Not a single talk about the
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>> > impending NA elections due soon in The Gambia!
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>> > Cheers,
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>> > Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 01:54:32 -0600
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>> > From: [log in to unmask]
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>> > Subject: Re: [G_L] The Sand Castle that is Foroyaa!!!! I am terribly
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>> > disappointed in Halifa. Haruna.
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>> > Suntou, it is as if Presidential Elections were never held in the Gambia
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>> > you and your associates were to come and tell the people    where you
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>> > with accepting the results and what to do next. None of you is
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>> > that but would clutter our boxes with Foroyaa, Sam and Halifa, as if
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>> > are ruling and abusing Gambians. Clearly, either you folks are out of
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>> > league or have nothing to offer Gambians but waste their time. It is the
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>> > aftermath of the elections stupid! Exactly what most here thought you
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>> > were about. I guess it is back to slumber for another five years while
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>> > Gambians suffer. Tell us about your damn election result stance and what
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>> > bunch are going to do, rather than this nonsense you guys are trying to
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>> > need it, or get lost. It is really too stale, this game of you all's.
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>> > story is Yaya Jammeh, elections, abuse, and circumstance stupid!
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>> >> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:18:39 +0000
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>> >> From: [log in to unmask]
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>> >> Subject: Re: [G_L] The Sand Castle that is Foroyaa!!!! I am terribly
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>> >> disappointed in Halifa. Haruna.
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>> >> To: [log in to unmask]
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>> >> Haruna
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>> >> You too have failed in your mission. I categorically call for your
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>> >> mediation, but you took it lightly. Read the statement below: (Sam
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>> >> Sarr will say: “go to Halifa”.)
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>> >> Fabakary Ceesay: "From what you have said, we all know that formally
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>> >> who formed this establishment. We know that Sam Sarr is the managing
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>> >> editor, but for the past two years we all know that you acted as the
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>> >> editor-in-chief. Most of the articles, you have the final say whether
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>> >> the article should be published or not. Sometimes we go to Sam Sarr
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>> >> At this point, "Halifa Sallah came in and said: “Fabakary, don’t make
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>> >> "Abubacarr Saidykahn: Faks, allow him to flow in.."
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>> >> Hence it seems all my assertions are correct to the fact that,
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>> >> In any case, the dialog is revealing and telling. 'Faks, allow him to
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>> >> I hope Foroyaa elders see that as a foundamental condition of proper
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>> >> Suntou
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>> >> On 1/31/12, Haruna <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> >> > I have mentioned to somebody that the day you know how to write your
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>> >> > without legal implications, and do it with fairness, I have no reason
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>> >> > here, you will not see me here. So, your grievances may be legitimate
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>> >> > grievances. It is how you put it, and to whom that matters.
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>> >> > This time you perform an abrupt folly. Some of you are just like
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>> >> > signing something without even questioning what you are signing;
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>> >> > even verifying what you are signing is a fact. Essentially, this is
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>> >> > situation. I believe that simply going and signing things without
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>> >> > interrogating every detail you shown, I will even wonder then your
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>> >> > whether they will not be checked again; because if a journalist
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>> >> > something, he is writing facts. If you are writing petitioning is
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>> >> > none of you can say that what I do here is making your work worse.
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>> >> > thing we are telling me what other people are interfering. What that
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>> >> > to do with me? Who am I to tell people who should come, and who
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>> >> > come here? In that sense, that is my concerns that I want to discuss
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>> >> > you, that I have been gravely wrong…To put it in writing which can be
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>> >> > because what you put on paper, anybody can send anywhere. The
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>> >> > thing they will say: this is what we are saying; Halifa is in fact
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>> >> > are my concerns, and I felt I did not want to hold a meeting. I
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>> >> > of you to have a discussion, and you guys said it was signed by
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>> >> > and that you will prefer for us to handle generally whereby everybody
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>> >> > be present. What I would have expected from anyone of you, if you
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>> >> > anything to tell me, is you come and tell me what is in you and we
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>> >> > settle
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>> >> > it. That is the good faith I thought that people are embodied in this
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>> >> > I want to make my last comment: I don’t want any of you sitting here,
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>> >> > were to stand for any office, to cast a vote for me. Anybody who does
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>> >> > signs that document, and you go and cast a vote for me, you are a
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>> >> > Even if I die, any of you who signed that document, don’t come there
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>> >> > anything! Because you don’t believe what I believe, and therefore do
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>> >> > journalistic work. Not that I have any grievance against you, you
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>> >> > people who consider me as their enemy, when they are in trouble, that
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>> >> > when I stand to put myself that trouble. I will forever work, if I
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>> >> > anything that you can earn so that you can earn it. The reasons why I
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>> >> > serving a national duty. So, that is what I want to say.
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>> >> > Abubacarr Saidykhan: Thank you very much uncle Halifa.
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>> >> > REACTIONS TO HALIFA SALLAH’S STATEMENT
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>> >> > Fabakary Ceesay: I think everyone of us heard what you said.
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>> >> > At this juncture Momodou Sambou wanted to come in, and there was a
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>> >> > agreement that he (Momodou Sambou) should go out from the meeting. He
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>> >> > Fabakary Ceesay: From what you have said, we all know that formally
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>> >> > What we do there has nothing to do with you people as employees.
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>> >> > Abubacarr Saidykahn: Faks, allow him to flow in..
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>> >> > Halifa Sallah: Just state the facts as you know them. I am saying
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>> >> > If Sam Sarr kenw that you are that type of a person, anyway I am sure
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>> >> > Fabakary Ceesay: What we said is that Halifa Sallah of PDOIS
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>> >> > Lamin Sanyang: Point of correction; it is not PDOIS, it is People’s
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>> >> >  Fabakary Ceesay: We said both; People’s center and PDOIS.
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>> >> > Yaya Bajo came in and attempted to read the petition. Abubacarr
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>> >> > Daily Observer is the mouthpiece of the government. This institution
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>> >> > Sallah comes to Foroyaa, and thee establishment is formed by him. We
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>> >> > distance Halifa Sallah from Foroyaa. Even though you are at People’s
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>> >> > you did edit our articles. We do not have a problem in that.
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>> >> > You see, Hamat Bah comes here; Henry Gomez comes here; all kinds of
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>> >> > people come and lodge their complains. We are not saying that Halifa
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>> >> > should leave Foroyaa completely. The sacrifice you have taken on
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>> >> > some of us, we know that. You specifically mentioned my name when Sam
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>> >> > Saidykhan and others were arrested. I was in the court room when
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>> >> > Jabbie was granted bail, but she was taken away. I called Sarata’s
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>> >> > and they told that until 6 am Sarata did not join them. So, if you
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>> >> > of us have a grievance. There are opinions that are contained in the
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>> >> > Halifa Sallah: Confine yourself!
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>> >> > Abubacarr Saidykhan: Article 15 of the petition that is what touches
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>> >> > Fabakary Ceesay: You said you will take the recommendations as
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>> >> > hostility. 99
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>> >> > per cent of us here are your own making. For how many years, I have
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>> >> > listening to your lectures. I started reading Foroyaa in 1994 when I
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>> >> > in
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>> >> > form 3 in my High School. I started associating myself, and I am
>> >> > because
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>> >> > of
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>> >> > Foroyaa. I learnt a lot from Foroyaa. You are a man of divergent
>> >> > views.
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>> >> > Foroyaa has been established to create a kind of society where people
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>> >> > can
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>> >> > express themselves freely without fair or favour. We know other
>> >> > people
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>> >> > from
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>> >> > other media houses the way they talk about their managing editors,
>> >> > the
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>> >> > system going on. We stand straight to defend Foroyaa at anywhere.
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>> >> > Abubacarr Saidykhan: We have 22 main articles on our petition here,
>> >> > and
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>> >> > the
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>> >> > only that touches Halifa Sallah  is article 14 which one our main
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>> >> > concern. I
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>> >> > was very interested that you are only concerned with this one. Just
>> >> > to
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>> >> > reiterate what Fabakaray Ceesay said, so many things have been raised
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>> >> > before
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>> >> > us here. Out of my observation, you were peeved annoyed as to why we
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>> >> > should
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>> >> > do these recommendations, and putting your name on a lose paper that
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>> >> > might
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>> >> > fall into any hands as you said. Factually, I can assure that this
>> >> > paper
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>> >> > has
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>> >> > not gone anywhere. In fact, it is only two copies that we have
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>> >> > circulated so
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>> >> > far. The only signed copies that were distributed were given to you,
>> >> > and
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>> >> > uncle Sam Sarr. To be honest with you, and uncle Halifa there is
>> >> > nobody
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>> >> > who
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>> >> > sat with us to connive or conspire something against you. In fact,
>> >> > the
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>> >> > meeting was held here openly; people were passing in; people were
>> >> > going
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>> >> > out.
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>> >> > It was one of the concerns deem necessary that we should put it
>> >> > before
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>> >> > the
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>> >> > management, that is why we put it there! I was thinking that you will
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>> >> > tackle
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>> >> > this issue with understanding, and not to think that people are going
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>> >> > into
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>> >> > another stage.
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>> >> > During the presidential elections, there were many accusations that
>> >> > were
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>> >> > running in and out here, and it is because of the coming of the
>> >> > people
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>> >> > into
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>> >> > this office. That is why we feel that guiding this office to entirely
>> >> > be
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>> >> > a
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>> >> > place of journalistic work will allow us or will save us to run away
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>> >> > from
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>> >> > all those accusations. I have mentioned one of these accusations in
>> >> > one
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>> >> > of
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>> >> > the meetings at the NADD bureau, and those were people in the party.
>> >> > You
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>> >> > know what I mean…
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>> >> > Nobody is saying that you are interfering with our journalistic work.
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>> >> > According to your own explanation, you’ve made proofs in some of
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>> >> > citations
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>> >> > that in my case that is a journalistic case. In the case of Sanyang,
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>> >> > that is
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>> >> > journalistic. In the case of Fabakary Ceesay, that is also
>> >> > journalistic.
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>> >> > That shows to me that you are getting into things that you don’t
>> >> > people
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>> >> > to
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>> >> > see as the managing editor. So, we feel, even if you are not here,
>> >> > you
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>> >> > can
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>> >> > still be doing that, but not for people to accuse us outside that
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>> >> > Foroyaa is
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>> >> > mixing politics with journalism. We want to completely defend
>> >> > ourselves,
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>> >> > and
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>> >> > put this institution to be respected by people so that they will it
>> >> > is
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>> >> > purely journalistic. It is only journalistic work that is going in
>> >> > out
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>> >> > of
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>> >> > this place. This institution is yours; I have known that since before
>> >> > I
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>> >> > started working here. In fact, you told me in one of our discussions
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>> >> > that
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>> >> > you own this institution. But from your attitude uncle Halifa if a
>> >> > new
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>> >> > person or a stranger comes here, he or she will not even know that
>> >> > you
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>> >> > own
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>> >> > this paper. Because you have relegated yourself; you don’t show
>> >> > people
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>> >> > that
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>> >> > you want property. I can testify. You taught me how to know myself
>> >> > uncle
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>> >> > Halifa. Section 25 of the Constitution, I learnt it from you, from
>> >> > your
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>> >> > editorials that give us power to petition the President. It is the
>> >> > same
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>> >> > thing that we are applying here. We are not petitioning the
>> >> > President.
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>> >> > But
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>> >> > that section, that is in the Constitution, and you taught me to know,
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>> >> > that
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>> >> > is what we are doing here. We were thinking that when put this before
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>> >> > you,
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>> >> > you would have been laughing. In fact, being inspired by our activity
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>> >> > that
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>> >> > even you are far away from here, you will believe that these people
>> >> > can
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>> >> > do
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>> >> > something in my absence.
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>> >> > If you should say to us that even if you die we should not go there
>> >> > sand
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>> >> > say
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>> >> > anything. Then that means, you have taken this issue to a level that
>> >> > we
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>> >> > never expected. I have never, ever expected that you will say this to
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>> >> > us. I
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>> >> > was so electrified when you mentioned that.
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>> >> > You advised us that journalist must be independent, neutral and must
>> >> > not
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>> >> > take side. It is your responsibility to tell us, even if it is an
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>> >> > accusation, that what we are saying is not the case. To tell us that
>> >> > it
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>> >> > is
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>> >> > frivolous conspiring, that was not what we have expected.The only
>> >> > area
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>> >> > that
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>> >> > concerns you Uncle Halifa is on article 15 of this recommendation,
>> >> > and
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>> >> > there
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>> >> > is nobody who can clarify this issue for us more than you. Uncle Sam
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>> >> > cannot
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>> >> > elaborate on this issue and you have succinctly elucidated during
>> >> > your
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>> >> > statement that you are not interfering with our work. I think that is
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>> >> > the
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>> >> > area that you should have drawn the cotton. And among us here no one
>> >> > is
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>> >> > interested in conspiring against you whether in public or private.
>> >> > But
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>> >> > we
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>> >> > cannot also be use like tools by anybody as well.
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>> >> > Lamin Sanyang…This meeting is to engage the management about the
>> >> > issue
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>> >> > which
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>> >> > I feel is very necessary. Like you always said that uncle Halifa is
>> >> > like
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>> >> > a
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>> >> > conscience to the nation you have been engaging the president and
>> >> > other
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>> >> > people. So I feel if we as reporters of Foroyaa should make the same
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>> >> > thing
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>> >> > why thinking that is hostility or frivolous. I don’t think that is
>> >> > it.
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>> >> > This
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>> >> > is our opinion and we all have the right to our opinions. About the
>> >> > Tax
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>> >> > Commission, I was the one who was at the tax commission. Mr. Fafa
>> >> > Mbye
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>> >> > was
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>> >> > at the commission and was asked about his tax payments for 2011, and
>> >> > was
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>> >> > further told by the state counsel that he has defaulted which he has
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>> >> > accepted. So that is why I put that headline that he has defaulted.
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>> >> > Pateh Beldeh… I want to start with as Uncle Halifa has said.
>> >> > Definitely
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>> >> > we
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>> >> > are proud of Halifa and I think each and every one of us is proud of
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>> >> > what
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>> >> > PDOIS generally not even foroyaa. Foroyaa is an organ of PDOIS. I
>> >> > think
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>> >> > we
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>> >> > discuss this, we believe in this and most of us know this. We are not
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>> >> > saying
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>> >> > anybody who is at PDOIS should not be attached to Foroyaa we are not
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>> >> > saying
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>> >> > that. We are saying anything of political issues should be address at
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>> >> > people’s center. Once you are here you are putting on Foroyaa Uniform
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>> >> > this
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>> >> > we are saying. Once going for political issues you should put on
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>> >> > political
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>> >> > uniform and then we go to people’s center and address it there. As
>> >> > far
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>> >> > as my
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>> >> > understanding is concern, I am a journalist and a politician. And I
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>> >> > believe
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>> >> > that uncle Halifa should be proud of us. Halifa some of us as he said
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>> >> > that
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>> >> > we were in the dustbin. He has help us to be part of the society then
>> >> > we
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>> >> > should be proud of that and then he should never repeat this because
>> >> > he
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>> >> > has
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>> >> > done it for the sake of Allah and people have recognize his job. The
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>> >> > whole
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>> >> > world respected Halifa and the whole world respected PDOIS no matter
>> >> > you
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>> >> > are
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>> >> > from which party in this country. And no matters from which media
>> >> > house,
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>> >> > if
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>> >> > you meet with a Foroyaa reporter you have to give regard to the
>> >> > person.
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>> >> > No
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>> >> > matter the challenges we face, we respect the editorial board of
>> >> > Foroyaa
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>> >> > but
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>> >> > it does not mean that we should not have the sake to complain to them
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>> >> > and if
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>> >> > that is case then what we learn here is meaningless. Some of us can
>> >> > sit
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>> >> > here
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>> >> > and look at halifa for the whole day without realizing it. I remember
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>> >> > sitting with him while fasting but I cannot even remember that I was
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>> >> > fasting
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>> >> > just because of the love I have for him. We also come here and
>> >> > encounter
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>> >> > lots of difficulties but we are taking it in good faith.
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>> >> > Musa Barrow… We describe this as a sanctuary for liberty and a
>> >> > bastion
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>> >> > of
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>> >> > freedom. So essentially the spirit behind this letter I don’t it
>> >> > meant
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>> >> > to
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>> >> > offend anyone because as we all know we are all been here working. Is
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>> >> > just a
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>> >> > suggestion that we are making because so often especially during the
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>> >> > campaigns some of my colleagues will complain that the office is
>> >> > washed
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>> >> > with
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>> >> > so many people using the chairs. So it was out of that concern that
>> >> > this
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>> >> > recommendation was made. There is no element of hostility in this.
>> >> > Here
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>> >> > we
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>> >> > are brothers and sisters and I do think being hostile to one another
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>> >> > will
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>> >> > not in anyway help our course.
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>> >> > Yaya Bajo.. What I want to say with the reaction of Halifa to this
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>> >> > particular point. I think you should explain to us the answer of the
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>> >> > first
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>> >> > question you pose to us in the beginning. But to tell people that you
>> >> > do
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>> >> > not
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>> >> > want people to vote for you and stuffs like that has taken me by
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>> >> > surprise
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>> >> > definitely speaking. Because I think you are a leader and you should
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>> >> > accept
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>> >> > constructive criticism.
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>> >> > Mamadou Dem... I think my colleagues have said it all. We don know
>> >> > the
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>> >> > person Sam Sarr is answerable to because this is the third time we
>> >> > are
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>> >> > having such kind of a meeting and all that use to say is “Yes I will
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>> >> > look
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>> >> > into it.” This is all he says and at the end of the day nothing will
>> >> > be
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>> >> > implemented. We do not who is answerable to.
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>> >> > Ania Gaye.. I wan to talk on the political issue. Most of the time
>> >> > you
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>> >> > will
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>> >> > fine people sitting here and all they discuss is politics which is
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>> >> > reducing
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>> >> > our character. We cannot do our journalistic work the way we should
>> >> > it.
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>> >> > They
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>> >> > will all converge here talking about politics and nothing else and I
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>> >> > feel
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>> >> > that is not going to secure us as journalist and some of them could
>> >> > be
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>> >> > NIAs.
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>> >> > Lamin Njie/ Accountant…For me my concern is that you people
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>> >> > misunderstood
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>> >> > uncle halifa. In any society there must be a chain work and
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>> >> > commandments. If
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>> >> > you have any problem you go the editors first and to the managing
>> >> > editor
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>> >> > and
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>> >> > from the managing editor to uncle halifa he should be the last person
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>> >> > you
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>> >> > should see. If these people cannot solve your problem, among yourself
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>> >> > you
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>> >> > select one person to go to them. For me I am very much disappointed.
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>> >> > There
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>> >> > should be a chain of command and you don’t have to by past your boss.
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>> >> > You
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>> >> > know writing is very dangerous, you don’t know that?  At this
>> >> > juncture
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>> >> > the
>
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>> >> > strikers could not control laughing and Mr. Sallah intervenes by
>> >> > saying
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>> >> > “You
>
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>> >> > guys are not serious he is talking and you are laughing.” The
>
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>> >> > accountant..
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>> >> > There are lots of problems happening here without you people knowing
>> >> > it.
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>> >> > Sulayman Bah… We exhausted all options before calling this meeting by
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>> >> > writing to the management it self. You see, Uncle Sam would agree but
>> >> > at
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>> >> > the
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>> >> > end of the day he will do nothing absolutely. i some time fine it
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>> >> > difficult
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>> >> > to write my article and when I told uncle Sam he will show me
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>> >> > disinterest.
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>> >> > When the petition was served the way you approach me uncle halifa I
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>> >> > would
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>> >> > describe that as an attack because the whole thing is jointly written
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>> >> > and
>
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>> >> > every reporter agree to it. You went to the point saying that you
>> >> > will
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>> >> > not
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>> >> > tolerate none science. And you always talk about democracy and
>> >> > democracy
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>> >> > is
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>> >> > all about divergent views and people must express their opinions and
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>> >> > there
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>> >> > is no where were people will have the same opinions on matters.
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>> >> > Awa Bah… The difficulty we faced outside is that the moments you
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>> >> > introduce
>
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>> >> > yourself as a Foroyaa reporter people see you as an opposition
>
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>> >> > journalist
>
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>> >> > directly linked with politics. This is what is affecting us as
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>> >> > journalist of
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>> >> > this paper. Some people fine it difficult to send their kids to come
>> >> > to
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>> >> > Fororyaa just because of the too much political ideology mixed with
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>> >> > journalism.  This is not done out of anger. That is what I have to
>> >> > say.
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>> >> > Sarjo Camara… Uncle Halifa, I think this move is a very progressive
>> >> > move
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>> >> > to
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>> >> > me.
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>> >> > And if at all it was a reactionary move I think it would have not
>> >> > come
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>> >> > in
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>> >> > this way. You are a roll model to all of us and the reason is to
>> >> > bring a
>
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>> >> > breach between our work and politics. This is the only point we feel
>> >> > you
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>> >> > should come in and clarify. We have been calling meetings in your
>
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>> >> > absence
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>> >> > and is the same thing we discuss. You know people better than all of
>> >> > us
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>> >> > and
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>> >> > you can even read the mines of others.  None of have the interest of
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>> >> > living
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>> >> > this office for another place. I personally I know what foroyaa did
>> >> > for
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>> >> > me
>
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>> >> > so I will not exchange foroyaa for any other institution. Please,
>> >> > take
>
>
>> >> > every
>
>
>> >> > thing in good faith and give us your own opinion the way we should
>> >> > work
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>> >> > positively to achieve our aims and objectives of this organization.
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>> >> > Halifa Sallah.. Thank you very much.
>
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>> >> > Mamadou Sambou… Wanted to come in to say something but unfortunately
>> >> > was
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>> >> > not
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>> >> > allowed by the strikers to utter a word and was further by Halifa to
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>> >> > calm
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>> >> > down.
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>> >> > Reporters’ Recommendation
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>> >> > 1. General meeting for staff and other office sections on regular
>> >> > basis.
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>> >> > 2.  Inconsistency with food provision.
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>> >> > 3. Salary increment: increment for payment for articles. Provision of
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>> >> > books,
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>> >> > pens, and other working materials.
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>> >> > 3. Provision of standard and workable computers.
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>> >> > 4. Refurbishion of the reporters’ place of work.
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>> >> > 5. Increment of salary status of freelance journalists according to
>> >> > the
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>> >> > Gambia Press Union’s recommendations.
>
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>> >> > 6. Late payment of salaries.
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>> >> > 8. Reaching a contract agreement before commencement of work.
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>> >> > 9. Handing of appointment letters including employment packages i.e.:
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>> >> > entitlement. Social security membership cards and payment of social
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>> >> > security
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>> >> > dues.
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>> >> > 10. Adjustment of press cards. Eg the Gambia before institution name
>> >> > and
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>> >> > emboldening of the ‘Foroyaa’ name.
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>> >> > 11. Approval of fares and late coming of approving editors.
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>> >> > 12. Transport allowances to reporters.
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>> >> > 13. Quality of editing of the articles with presentable but
>> >> > captivating
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>> >> > captions
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>> >> > 14. We need sub-editors on courts, sports and other sectors: news
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>> >> > editors
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>> >> > and proof-readers from our midst.
>
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>> >> > 15. We recommend that Halifa Sallah of people’s Center move to the
>> >> > NADD
>
>
>> >> > office to create enough room for reporters. The besieging of the
>> >> > office
>
>
>> >> > premises by politicians is of a great concern. We recommend that
>> >> > there
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>> >> > be a
>
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>> >> > clear separation of politics from journalism.
>
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>> >> > 16. We have noticed that food is not provided since the appointed
>> >> > cook
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>> >> > has
>
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>> >> > been bed-ridden by an ailment and we recommend that a substitute cook
>> >> > be
>
>
>> >> > hired in case such circumstance occurs.
>
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>> >> > 17. We call for an immediate but speedy staffing of reporters who
>> >> > have
>
>
>> >> > served for more than two years.
>
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>> >> > 18. We recommend that reporters be upgraded PROFESSIONALLY.
>
>
>> >> > 19. Increment of Columns pay/ informing of staff over issues of delay
>
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>> >> > payment of salaries IF there is any such problem. We demand reporters
>> >> > be
>
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>> >> > giving reasonable explanation supposedly if the management is facing
>
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>> >> > financial hiccups.
>
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>> >> > 20. We are calling for a general meeting with the entire management
>> >> > by
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>> >> > FRIDAY 16th, after the Friday prayers.
>
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>> >> > 21. The printing of the newspapers ranging from pictures, should be
>
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>> >> > given
>
>
>> >> > due consideration.
>
>
>> >> > 22. Since the paper is the oldest in the country, we recommend that
>> >> > it
>
>
>> >> > comes
>
>
>> >> > on a daily basis.
>
>
>> >> > IF THESE ABOVE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE NOT GIVEN DUE AND URGENT
>
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>> >> > CONSIDERATION BY
>
>
>> >> > 15th JANUARY 2012, WE WILL EMBARK ON A SIT-DOWN STRIKE.
>
>
>> >> > Sign:
>
>
>> >> > Abubacarr Saidykhan……………………………………
>
>
>> >> > Sulayman Bah……………………………..
>
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>> >> > Fabakary B. Ceesay………………………………………..
>
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>> >> > Musa Barrow
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>> >> > Pateh Baldeh……………………………………………….
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>> >> > Mamadou Dem…………………………………………………
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>> >> > Sarjo Camara ……………………………………………..
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>> >> > Lamin Sanyang …………………………………………
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>> >> > Annia Gaye……………………………………………
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>> >> > Amie Sanneh…………………………………..
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>> >> > Kebba Camara …………………………..
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>> >> > Awa B Bah ………………………………….
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>> >> > Abdoulie Dibba …………………………….
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>> >> > Madiba Singhateh ……………………….
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>> >> > Mariama Ceesay………………………
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>> >> > Lamin Fatty…………………………..
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>> >> > Yaya Bajo……………………………..
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>> >> >
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>> >> >
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