Hon. Daffeh, don't listen to Jengfann. He's just in awe of what UDP-UK has been able to achieve and the unity and energy among you folk is something to behold. If Gambians of other regions and nations can emulate what you guys do in such distinguished harmony, we wouldn't be sittin here talking about invitation letters.
Regarding Hon. Halifa's 360 degrees on who represents nadd in coalition talks, when he first suggested UDP talk to Sidia instead of himself, he was still under the illusion there was a nadd. He therefore wished to triangulate to give the mirage of gravitas in talks with UDP. Hon Halifa is terrified with the idea of talks about coalition between UDP and PDOIS. I don't blame him. If you were Halifa, leading PDOIS, wouldn't you want to pretend there was a nadd (PDOIS, 1/3ppp, 1/8NDAM) so you can have a semblance of leverage into any coalition talks which you determine is what the people of Gambia want??????????? So no, I don't blame Hon. Halifa for kicking the can Hon. Sidia's way. What I was disappointed in is why uncle Hon. SIdia did not tell him straight up: "Really, whjo're we fooling? nadd is PDOIS and PDOIS is nadd. UDP is not really looking to form an alliance with nadd, it is PDOIS they desire to form the alliance with. Just tell them to come back tomorrow and I'll be in Wulli and you go to Sare Chondi, so Sam can tell them he was not aware of the meeting".
Be that as it may Daffeh, that's water under the bridge. We are essentially in a new, more emergent phase of alliance-making. And Hon. Halifa has realized the mistake of not having taken advantage of that window then. Now he wants a written letter inviting PDOIS to talks with UDP for the purpose of seeking agreement on an alliance. Hon. Nyassy is calling that bluff like Obama did the Boehner. So I am not even concerned about that fait accompli. I urge you not to make that even difficult at this time and please don't make it complicated. Just a paragraph of greetings, one elucidating your common (UDP+PDOIS) desires for an alliance with the ambiance of Yahya's crimes, and the third inviting them to a workshop-meeting and please suggest a date, time, and neutral place. The home of Hon. Assan Musa Camara or a private mosque or church will be perfect.WHatever you do, do not suggest Ousainou or Halifa's homes or their headquarters. They might both get kidnapped by Hon. Hamat.
What I am suggesting is that after the two gentlemen and their associates meet and talk and an alliance is even tentatively agreed to, Halifa still wonders what platform the alliance might campaign on. So I am suggesting that UDP and PDOIS both select 3 to 5 of their members NOW, NOW, who will set about synthesizing their manifestos so that the prospective campaign platform can be delineated. You never know, after that due-diligence, Hon Halifa might be so excited the talks will be smooth sailing and swift. SO when they sign on the dotted line they will already be 1 month ahead into campaign mode. This effort of synthesizing the manifestos has the added value of soliciting funds from Gambians both resident and diaspora.
So Daffeh don't fret too much about bygone sleights. Hon. Halifa can also say that Hon. Ousainou sleighted him by withdrawing from NADD earlier. So lets say we're even, and given the gravity of this moment, that will help rebuild trust and landmark confidence. Each sleighted the other. So they're even. They have cried and wiped their faces. Now, as is typical of honourable men and women, they have given themselves another lifeline. Let us not worry about their prior indiscretions. No one is perfect. That hasn't stopped them from seeking perfection.
SO I understand what you're saying Daffeh. If anyone can accrue value to Gambia, you and UDP can. UDP cannot afford to play a tit-for-tat game with PDOIS while PDOIS is looking to UDP for elevated leadership. On account of their superlative affinities.
Don't worry about Jengfann, Coach, Joe-joe, Rene, Laye, or Dad Nyang. God knows they want a coalition too. They just have too much pride. So don't give them an opportunity to be intransigent. I don't know why they can't be like my friend Alpha Robinson. You wanna know a vrai community organizer, Alpha invented community organizing with Sam Sarr. These other chaps are just goldfish out of water. I have seen and been with Father Mose. If you know how you two look so much alike, I wondered if you might be twins but you just don't know it. Just like I'm triplets with Laye and Joe-joe.
I love you all.
Haruna.
Subject:
Re: Demba / Daffeh / PDOIS Central Commitee statement On United Opposition.
From:
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The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <[log in to unmask]>
Date:
Sat, 13 Aug 2011 10:03:10 +0100
Haruna, if Halifa wants a letter of invitation for talks, that is alright with us. We will determine how that letter will be crafted and get our able Ebou Manneh, snr. Administrative Secretary, to scrible it on paper. But you know what bothers me a lot; why is Ousainu Darboe's phone calls to Halifa not enough an invitation for pdois? When Sidia was asked to inform Halifa that the udp leader wants to talk to him about a coalition, he (sidia) didn't come back saying Halifa said he wants a letter of invitation. He (Sidia) said; halifa said it is me (sidia) that you should talk to'. So why is Halifa talking about a letter from the UDP NOW? This guy is manipulative and insincere.
Anyway, since he wants a letter, he will get a letter but it will be the UDP who will determine the content of that letter, not him.
Daffeh
On 13 August 2011 09:47, UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Musa, there you go again with another absurd line.
The folks in England mean good for the UDP and The Gambia, and you don't. That is the difference. We don't only talk the talk, we also walk the walk. By the way, we are also in Wales and Scotland. So I rather you say UK.
Daffeh
On 13 August 2011 06:31, Musa Jeng <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Haruna:
Every now and then you fumble into making perfect sense, and the spirit of your attempt to begin an action plan for a coalition should be really look into by the parties. I would have liked to see the UDP come up with such a document and ignore some of their sidekicks, especially the folks in England.
Musa Jeng
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Sent: Fri, Aug 12, 2011 10:53 pm
Subject: Re: [G_L] Demba / Daffeh / PDOIS Central Commitee statement On United Opposition.
I agree wholeheartedly with you uncle Bamba.
I was just listening to Seedy Ceesay of Freedomradio's show where he had Hon. Halifa, Hon. Nyassy, my friends Jobe and Bahoum, and Babnka the Ballero.
I mean I was sitting there with a fork in my hand listening to Hons. Halifa and Nyassy confuse each other once again and they raise my hopes up again about seding each other invitation letters. I was thinking to myself, mind you they both acknowledge Gambians desire an alliance to rid ourselves of the monster, are these people for real?????????? Its not like we haven't spent 17 years contemplating an alliance. What is wrong with these people??????????
I called Ndokeh Nderry to see if he can convene these two and Hons. OJ, Ousainou, Hamat, and Mai because I have a suggestion for them. This is the suggestion:
They all want to form an alliance. PDOIS has shared with us AGENDA 1865. UDP has shared with us they want a UDP-led alliance on account of the greatest possibility of winning with that mode, NRP will come along after these two agree on a concrete alliance if I have to drag my good friend Hon. Hamat kicking and screaming, Hon Mai has already pledged alliance with UDP (even if it is not properly concluded, we will take GMC's word for it). OJ will bring ppp along to any semblance of an alliance.
PDOIS needs an invitation letter from UDP for talks to begin.
Nyassy has promised he will bear on the UDP executive to complete that.
So while they wait for the courtesy exchange of letters (I hope Hon. Halifa will not disappoint me by saying he actually meant a letter AND a position paper distributed to the public on what UDP's idea of a party-led alliance will look like - I will remove him from my esteem list of HarunaSilo prophets. Uncle or no uncle.)
And with the recognition that after the necessary courtesy letters are exchanged, talks will begin in earnest;
Therefore, I suggest that each party delegate 3 to 5 people to review their manifestos and begin work NOW on how they can synthesize the UDP, PDOIS, NRP, ppp, and GMC manifestos and or policy platforms. They must not even wait for the exchange of letters and the choice of date for talks. If a coalition or Alliance were to be formed, I understand Halifa is at a loss as to on what platform the alliance would campaign. Well this is where the alliance campaign platform will come from. We will discover that there is actually no daylight between these four platforms or manifestos.
I am very familiar with Mali's PUR alliance of some 19 opposition political parties. Each of the parties delegated a few people to form a working group with the other delegates. They poured over each party's platform and merged their commonalities. This is what an alliance is. It is not an alliance of Ousainou+Hamat+Halifa+OJ+Mai. It is to be an alliance of UDP+NRP+PDOIS+ppp+GMC. All of themn will continue to exist as political parties of Gambia and not lose their identitites or achievements so far. They will only suspend individual party campaigning for the 2011 elections. Win or lose, they will be able to contest the NAM and subsequent presidential elections each on its own. I have no doubt Yahya will NOT survive an Alliance of these formidable opposition parties. I would encourage PDOIS and Halifa NOT TO make a 5-year term-limit for such an alliance as the dealbreaker. The same reason why they would come together to form the alliance is the reason why a 5-year term limit is insignificant. The voters will have an opportunity 5 years later to choose their government freely and with greater hope for salvation. PDOIS has built up tremendous goodwill to let all that dissipate in this horrendous atmosphere of murder and listless abductions.
I will make it short for now until after the alliance is formed. No discussion of ministerial positions upon success.
They must only consider the Presidential and vice presidential candidates. These two will choose their cabinet. Let's get on with it. PDOIS can keep foroyaa and its Nyakoi schools (which are unconstitutional, but for the purposes of reassurance and extra umph in campaigning, UDP can sign a promisory to that effect with the caveat that all other political parties will be free to operate a newspaper, a radio station, and engage in kindergatten and primary education should they so desire. These party institutions will operate until the government of Gambia decides to make it a permanent budgetary feature to fund party activity.
Haruna.
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Sent: Fri, Aug 12, 2011 10:09 pm
Subject: Re: [G_L] Demba / Daffeh / PDOIS Central Commitee statement On United Opposition.
I belief the only thing left with the opposition is to stop twist and turning an entire porpulation and come out with something concrete on a merger. Thats the will of the people and if they so care for the Gambia and are not another Yahya Jammeh, they should show it rather than endless agenda and no forsight solutions to our predicaments. Gambians are fed-up with endless adendas and no solutions.
Any genuine lover of the Gambia would agree with me that the present situation in our motherland should be beyond party politics. Yahya Jammeh's time is up as evident in his resent meet the people's tour where because people are fed-up with his unending out of ideas campaigns, he has resorted to politics of insults and accusations and for the first time since coming to power had to return on the trail. Its for the oppositions to see the writtings on the wall.
kng
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:05:51 -0400
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Demba / Daffeh / PDOIS Central Commitee statement On United Opposition.
To: [log in to unmask]
Oh Demba!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're thoroughly confusing yourself about democracy again and stakeholders.
[-----Original Message----- From: Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 1:14 pm Subject: Re: [G_L] PDOIS Central ,Commitee statement On United Opposition. The Long Road To...
Daffeh, I wonder if you understand that the public is a stake holder of the UDP?] Demba.
The public is NOT a stakeholder in either APRC, UDP, NRP, PDOIS, ppp, or GMC. These political parties wish to make as many of the PUBLIC stakeholders as possible. So the public may be prospective desiring stakeholders, but until they hold stakes in any of the parties, they are not stakeholders.
[In a representative democracy all cannot gather in one space and discuss.] Demba.
Correct. Even in a dictatorship or a tyranny, All cannot gather in one space and discuss.
[So putting party position in the public space is an important pillar in any genuine democracy!!!] Demba.
NO. Putting party position in the public arena is good marketing strategy for a political party. What political parties do with their party positions IS NOT THE PURVIEW of DEMOCRACY. Genuine or not. Demba I think you burden democracy too much and you have unreasonable expectations of political parties. This may be the problem with some of us. Perceptions.
[The international community and the Gambian Diasopra are also important] Demba.
YES. And each party makes its own judgement how important these components are and how to incorporate them in the party's information program.
[and UDP like any other party is better served communicating its programs to the public] Demba.
SO THE KEYWORD is BETTER SERVED. In other words Demba, even though you are NOT a STAKEHOLDER in any of the parties until you declare membership or some attachment to one, YOU can still afford them ADVICE/COUNSEL.
[UNLESS you think only Daffeh & and UDP UK need to know what the party is about!!] Demba.
This is not even significant as far as Demba, Daffeh, Haruna, or Gambian Public is concerned. Daffeh and his party aim to convince as many Gambians as possible to become stakeholders in the UDP. It will therefore be foolhardy for the UDP to keep their party platform close to the vest and not disseminate it as widely as possible. What agreement or negotiations Daffeh and the UDP are conducting with other political parties is the private concern of the UDP and those political parties. We, the general Gambian public, are not interested in those activities. The parties can share those or the conclusions thereof with us if they desire, but the nitty gritty of those activities is immaterial to us.
[Information is power my friend, you just need to know how, when and what to communicate!!!] Demba.
Demba you should be a consultant to a political party. And make sure you demand to be paid for your consultancy. It has nothing to do with democracy. We would HOPE however, that you will adhere to democratic principles in your Consulting.
Haruna. Men!!!!!!!!!
From: UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:40:43 +0100
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Subject: Re: [G_L] PDOIS Central Commitee statement On United Opposition. The Long Road To
Guys, you can all be assured that UDP will never negotiate a coalition in the public space as that will only generate unnecessary polarisation and further division within the opposition.
What UDP has advocated for and will continue to advocate is for all parties to meet at the table and behind closed doors to iron-out their differences. Thus, the notion that the UDP will or should throw out a proposal in the public space as a pre-condition for talks is unacceptable and delusional on the part of Halifa Sallah and his PDOIS party.
If the Ayatollah (Halifa) is genuinely interested in a United Front as he claim to be , then why is it taking him so long to agree to meet the UDP leader at the table despite being persistently pursued by the UDP leadership?
Kind Regards
Daffeh
On 10 August 2011 12:27, UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
''As for Daffeh, i will need to karawass him real good lol.''- Pa samba Jow
Ha! Ha! Ha! No, we don't have to reach that level, my good friend. Just advice your Ayatollah (Halifa Sallah) to stop being dishonest and trying to play with the intelligence of others. There are no fools around to be played with; not in this moment when the stakes are this high. Thus, he should wake-up from his slumber of delusion and disingenuousness, and meet the UDP leadership at the table and behind close doors for real substantive talks. If they agree to coalesce, they can put out a joint statement in the public space explaining the key point of the final settlement. If, on the other hand, there is no agreement, then all parties can issue a statement explaining their version of the story and the public can decide who was being real and who is fake in this whole coalition debacle. This is the conventional approach and it is what the UDP subscribes to.
Putting a coalition proposal in the public space before it is even discussed will lead to nothing but further polarisation and division in the opposition camp. That will favour nobody but President Jammeh and his APRC party.
I remain your good friend
Daffeh
On 10 August 2011 05:58, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Aye Aye Laye. The only area where we diverge is your nightmare that Hon. Ousainou flip flops. Other than that I enjoy your hazard sobrieties.
Haruna. What is this Goro business with Coach???? The man will give us a heart attack a cause d'his jitters. I have a say in this Goro deal. Whenever it was concluded.
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From: Laye Jallow <[log in to unmask]>
To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:40 pm
Subject: Re: [G_L] PDOIS Central Commitee statement On United Opposition. The Long Road To
Goro:
I was afraid I will come across as PDOIS bashing; far from it. I am just as
frustrated with the circus as many out there. I shared here my frustration with
UDP and Ouisainou's double talk and Daffeh assured me it is not their (Daffeh and UDP’s)
problem that I have a problem with that. However, I will make my takeknown and I think I
deserve it for my sanity.
PDOIS, UDP, NRP, GMC etc. decided to get in the game not because thousands rallied at the
stadium to call for them to come in and lead us to freedom from tyranny. Why should any
of them set a condition on the people for them to come together? UDP can claim all the
numbers they want, they have not been winning; that's the point! Ousainou flip flopped
(sorry Haruna) so many times on this united front issue that it can make you feel dizzy
trying to follow the flops. He did the same in 2006, so nothing new there. Now PDOIS Central
Committee is taking over the pancake session. What are we to expect of these folks?
It is absolutely clear what folks want from the opposition - hope and clear,
united leadership - to see the back of Yaya. That is the immediate need for now,
doctrines of governance, sovereignty and good citizenship will fall in place.
Yaya have been indoctrinating Gambians for the past 17 years and the odds are
stacking up as we go. He is teaching us how to hate each other. He is teaching
us how to undermine each other. He is teaching us how to depend on him. He is
teaching us how to be afraid of him. He is teaching us how not to unite against
him. He has been doing a darn good job of all this. He has tyrannized Gambians
so much so that we are getting afraid of our own shadows! He has an agenda for
Gambians and it is working am afraid to say.
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