Suntou wrote:

"You should also avoid cheap shots"
"In as much she detest others discussing her beloved party, she should stick to the topic and leave people alone".

Suntou,
I always stick to the topic and if you think that your cheap attempts to transfer the sort of uncouth behaviour that is the trademark of Haruna to me will work, you are only fooling yourself.
People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. You are the one who never sticks to the issues and instead are constantly on a mission to malign others and insinutate and ascribe all sorts of motives to whatever they say, while all the time claiming to be engaged in civil discourse. Here you are talking about people sticking to the issues. I hope you practice what you preach. You will be a lot more credible when you learn to do that. I know you know without a doubt that you can never succeed in relegating things to to such a cheap argument as the reason I take you on is because  I detest anyone talking about what you call my precious party. You never cease to amaze me with this hocus pocus you think you can sell.  Talk about cheap shots! Dubious arguments with you contradicting yourself at every turn. 
You claim to question the writer but here is your own admission:
You wrote:
"You always never fail in asking why i single out Halifa for my political posturing. I don't mind being ask to further elaborate on my points, but all sincere readers here will spot the way of the PDOIS
defenders. they either start insinuating and making outrageous accusations and stifling discussions or being insulting to the writer."
So you admit that you do single out Halifa. Very good. When did anyone insult you Suntou? 
 Double talk and denials will not fool anyone and I promise you that I will take you on each and every time you set out to malign anyone and you can take that to the bank.
Jabou Joh

 -----Original Message-----
From: SUNTOU TOURAY <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:32 pm
Subject: Re: A Short Story







Quiet the contrary Laye, i never pretend to be innocent. I know quiet well that, discussing politicians will always raise hot blood. But you as a regular responder to all subjects on Halifa or PDOIS make it your habit to divert the attention of the topic to the writer.

It is you who always start the charge by questioning the writer instead of his piece or idea. You always never fail in asking why i single out Halifa for my political posturing. I don't mind being ask to further elaborate on my points, but all sincere readers here will spot the way of the PDOIS defenders. they either start insinuating and making outrageous accusations and stifling discussions or being insulting to the writer.

By now you of all people should know, that style will not work with me. I will write what i want, when i want.

You should also avoid cheap shots at the way people use their time. I wrote many of stuff
s on my documents, i share them when i deem fit and at my convenience.

I don't care about the hypocritical comments Laye. You should look closer for a proper perspective on that. A party that made it's name by scrutinising others is PDOIS, so once in a while analysing their activities and intention is only normal.

I have no interest in the personal life of any PDOIS member or executive. i am interested in their political intentions.
It is you who wish others to apologise to Jabou for comments far less than her wild remarks. In as much she detest others discussing her beloved party, she should stick to the topic and leave people alone. You too try practising what you preach, the forum will be a better place. Address the subject matter, whether sweet or bitter.

suntou
--- On Mon, 3/8/09, A Jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:



From: A Jallow <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: A Short Story
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Monday, 3 August, 2009, 7:13 AM



"And most of the time, the ingredient that spoil oudialogueses or conversations is that intelligent folks like yourseldeliberatelyly go after the writers instead of the message. Disagreeing with the content of a article/story  is acceptable but when you make the writer the subject of thdialogueue then the chatter as Mathew K Jallow would call it lose it footing."

Suntu:

Why am I so surprised that you would take the opportunity to lob a jab at me. I see Haruiner is teaching you well. I do not "deliberately go after
writers instead of the message" as you suggested. I instead pay attention and discern intent in you and Haruiners blabs. The thing is, you always act hypocritical in that you do exactly the same thing you accuse others of. Just look at your this response and tell me if your intent was not to jab one more time. You had to take the opportinity right? You always pretend to be so innocent and victimized yet so dangerous in the way you insinuate things - mostly detrimental to others.

Practice what you preach and see how life will be different...

As for our dear Aunty/Sis, she has time and again proven that she holds her own. I do not need to try to defend her. She would do a better a job than I could even try. I think you already know that but as usual you'll act Suntu on every opportunity.

I'm still waiting for the PDOIS list of suggestions from Suntu. How's your conselling sessions with Haruiner going? It looks like he's getting worse by the minute; what have you been counselling him on? Please don't turn him into a jihadist on us. He's done enough damage already!

-Laye




On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 6:53 PM, SUNTOU TOURAY <[log in to unmask]> wrote:






"Haruna, quit being an idiot. Rene's was 100% fiction. You and your nephew/uncle Suntu are way too serious about trivial things sometimes it's scares the devil out of his hole! But again, it has to do with you and Suntu having an extra 4 hours in the day. Normal folks have only 24! Get some help man!"
-(Laye) Laye don't make me laugh.

 

Laye, from what i can understand from the story, is that, Rene, the narrator is dialogu-ing. And most of the time, the ingredient that spoil oudialogueses or conversations is that intelligent folks like yourseldeliberatelyly go after the writers instead of the message. Disagreeing with the content of a article/story  is acceptable but when you make the writer the subject of thdialogueue then the chatter as Mathew K Jallow would call it lose it footing.

Jabou, as you would like to defend always uses implicit wordings against myself and Haruna. That in itself is rather unfortunate, but i never evecontemplatete asking her for explanation oapologygy. Let us discuss a topic on its merit and avoid targeting the messenger. I don't personally care whether someone discredit what i write or state, that is the least expected in a maturdialogueses. i believe the story intends to pass a message, people will always understand it differently. Some will find it political, others, may be not.

 

Thanks
suntou


--- On Sun, 2/8/09, A Jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:




From: A Jallow <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: A Short Story
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 12:17 PM







"Anyway, it was nice to read you commentaries, and as always I enjoy reading you. You would not believe it, but sometimes you make my day when I read some of your postings and my children would hear me laughing aloud and wonders what has gone over
 my head." (Rene)

Very true Rene. Haruna is an awesome guy when he's the clown - I mean the real Haruna. When he's serious and and in his brainy moments, he then becomes dangerously deceitful and manipulative; then starts to get on my nerves. He's that idiot cousin that is always a thorn but you almost always inadvertently find it in your heart to forgive his reckless behavior after causing you a nervous reck.

Nonetheless, I think Haruna should take the time and publicly apologize to our dear Aunty/Sister Jabou. And 40 linches after that.

Haruna, quit being an idiot. Rene's was 100% fiction. You and your nephew/uncle Suntu are way too serious about trivial things sometimes it's scares the devil out of his hole! But again, it has to do with you and Suntu having an extra 4 hours in the day. Normal folks have only 24! Get some help man!

-Laye


On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 2:33 PM, <[log in to unmask]> wrote:



Haruna,

         Your commentaries on this short story is very, very, interesting. For one thing it is a story; and as a story teller, there is a literary device used in story telling called the 'Omnipotent third person narrator', in which the storyteller tries to get into the heads of the characters portrayed and convey their inner thoughts, their feelings, their fears and their desires to the reader. Such inner thoughts, feelings, fears and desires, may not necessarily be true, or subscribe to any ideological dispositions whether right or wr
ong, but serve a much wider literary purpose of creating conflict which is central to stories of a fictitious genre.   

 

       Secondly, this short story is lifted from a much broader work and has been summarize in its present form to fit the description that has been ascribed to it; and that is a short story. In a more serious literary setting, all the arguments you have raised about the story, would have been implicit rather than stated, and can only be discern from the actions and activities of the characters. You have also discounted a very important literary device, dialogue, which has been used in this short story as irrelevant and unnecessary, just because it doesn't fit into all the complicated postulations and ideological leanings to which you are sympathetic. The Short Story could also have been written in another literary setting in which less prose and more dialogue is used. In that instant would you still discount the dialogues as unnecessary?

 

     I will not hold you to it, but what you did with my Short Story is to infer motives into it. It is just like picking a book the contents of which you are very familiar with, and because you disagree with some of the assertions in the book started highlighting the areas in which you disagree, and then challenge the author on those assumptions. But the point is, as a literary artist you can cook anything in your head, whether it is true or not;=2
0you can raise any arguments in your narrative whether it is ideological or not; but the fact remains that you are doing all these things from the point of view of the characters who are portrayed in the narration. You cannot be held captives to any of the things they say or argued. I guess that is why it is fictitious.

 

     Anyway, it was nice to read you commentaries, and as always I enjoy reading you. You would not believe it, but sometimes you make my day when I read some of your postings and my children would hear me laughing aloud and wonders what has gone over my head. 

 

    Rene 




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