Thanks Mbading
Oliver Cromwell order his men "In the name of God Go"...Hence, leaning on
God before wars were common and even now. What are the justification for
one man to take another man's life? If for the spread of peace anf justice,
people will say, fight..The Christians fought under God's flag and Muslims
likewise. The profound Quranic statement is "fight until oppression end or
is no more..."
Actually, Islam has been in Africa, well before Asia. Hence, I am pragmatic
with the Kabunka story. When Tiramakan Trawally commence his expansion
process, he was already exposed to Islam, since the Royal courts were
influenced by Islamic scholarship and writtings. Many of the settlers came
with some form of Islamic understanding.

Foday Kabba studied under a scholar who is buried 2 kilometres from my
Village. Sinmoto Kemo Sano is buried in Wulli Touba. His students included
the former Brikama royal king, who was deposed by Kombo Sillah. Hence, the
many Non-Muslim settlements lived side by side with Muslim villages and
settlements.
You have open up a critical angle, that is, what will make people fight?
 Our Gambian scholarship hasn't dilated on this issue. I will humbly
encourage the scholars amongst us to export the question to the Gambian
scholars forums? The question is: Is the quest for democracy a legimate
reason to fight against an oppressive government?

Foday Kabba and Musa Molloh would have squared up to Yaya Jammeh if they
are alive. There is no ifs and buts about that. Hence, a proper analysis of
their career is critical. Limiting Foday Kaba, Maba and other to mere
Jihadist is simplistic. They would have confronted Yaya Jammeh and fought
with him many times by now. Maba fought against Jereba Marong, Foday Kaba
against Musa Molloh and other Soninke king, notable the Kiang 'Ngally
Kodeh' and Maba against others. This was not principally a religious war,
but a balance of power struggle. We will divulge more later. Thanks
Suntou

On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>  Thanks Mbading Suntou,
>
> The world issues are indeed not black and white. For the sake of clarity,
> do allow me to be a devil and the venerable Foday's advocate here.
> Interesting then, that you seem to take the western scholars side by
> branding these warriors, as soldiers of fortune instead of the oral
> historians side that they were jihadist and indeed forced and thereby
> enabled whole regions and tribes to be converts to Islam. It is also very
> interesting that you have not introduced an aorta of evidence that these
> warriors of Islam were indeed after other things except doing God's works,
> not even a single incident even if according to western scholars. I am sure
> your great grand father will not be amused at your stance against Maa Bah
> and Foday, as even written accounts in our schools, portray these brave men
> as jihadists and fierce warriors, even though there ways not very peaceful.
>
> Thanks once again,
>
> Kejau
>
>  ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 12:20:36 +0100
> From: [log in to unmask]
>
> Subject: Re: [G_L] The Jali Bamba Suso Kaabou Narrative is on kibaaro today
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>
> Bro Kejau,
> The world is not as black and white as we would like it to be. Hence, the
> folks banded around as Jihadist and the folks after their tails are as
> complex a scenario as it was during the colonial days and the scrambles for
> Africa, Middle East and North America. People or groups use tags that will
> disguise their real motives. You as a  retired military man understands
> that better.
> Every now and then, some group will be on global TV networks, claiming to
> be fighting for this or that, and they will pass on after the publicity
> dies down. And then a new group will be on the media. the circle continues.
> The powers that be kept on wheeling this folks infront of our eyes. Hence,
> the complexities of global politics and the accomplices in the structures
> networks. This is why, it is hard to get involve. Organised government
> powers is always going after rag tags and rag tags going after organised
> government interest, the circle continues.
>  Experts are involve, the media, analyst, University departments, military
> and intelligence networks etc etc.
> In the old days, we had animist who carry on what they inherited and those
> who adopted new religious dimensions (Islam and to a lesser extend for us
> Christianity). In my recent research at the University of London, African
> studeies department, I came across a Bible (The St John) Gospel printed in
> 1901, all in Mandinka, yes Mandinka. According to the introductions,
> Mandingkas are the most difficult tribe for the Christians to convert to
> the word of Jesus.
> So the career of Foday Kabba and Amadou Taal, Maa Bah is not a simple
> direct analysis. My own paternal great gran father was among Maa Bah's
> advisers (Murad Touray was from Karjour then and the likes of Kumbo Gaye)
> were key in the adviser circle of Maa Bah. Hence, the travells of Foday
> Kabba, Maa Bah, Amadou Taal from our oral tradition is stackly different
> from the colonial officers account. Remember the colonial officers were in
> foriegn alien territory, claiming to be looking after our interest. Any
> way, we will discuss later.
> Thanks
> Suntou
>
> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 8:38 AM, kejau <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>   Suntou,
> That's the same problem with the modern so called jihadists. I look
> forward to listening and learning more about our military history.  As we
> cannot forget the the influences these so called warriors have on the
> demographic of our region.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Kejau
>
>
>  Sent from Samsung Mobile
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
> Date:
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [G_L] The Jali Bamba Suso Kaabou Narrative is on kibaaro
> today
>
>
>   Kejau, Foday Kabba's career is complex. The misunderstood narrative is
> that of Jihadist, but if we contextualise the nature and activities of
> Foday Kabba, Omar Taal, we will recognised that, their main aim was not
> religious.
> Suntou
>
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>  Suntou,
>
> Mercenary career! I would not consider Foday Kabba a mercenary, a
> jihadist, yes, but not a soldier of fortune....
>
> Kejau
>
>  ------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 11:31:52 +0100
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [G_L] The Jali Bamba Suso Kaabou Narrative is on kibaaro today
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>
> www.kibaaro.com Natariko every Tuesday.
> We aimed to air the Bamba Suso narration of Foday Kabba Dumbuya history
> today. However, we brought in some people to provide their opinion of the
> life and career of Foday Kabba. That took over one hour. We may complete
> the program late today, if not you will catch the mercenary career of Foday
> Kabba and the opinions of our experts next week. We will be analysing the
> historical past time permitting. Today, Jali Bamba Suso's 1969 recordings
> for the SOAS University of London is on. My gratitude to all who phone,
> emailed, facebook message and text. History is nothing if we cannot learn
> valuable lessons.
> Thanks
> Suntou
>
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