"The Lib Dems and the Tories were never known to be friends. In Fact, in
most cases, these people don't see eye to eye on issues BUT do you know why
it was possible for them to forge a coalition? It was because they both
acknowledged and adhered to the conventional and universally recognised and
accepted principles of coalition building in the national interest. There
was no question about who should lead; it is always going to be the biggest
party. The issue was only about the programmes that they would like to
preside over to uplift the living standards of British citizens and
residents including my humble self." Daffeh

An excellent observation. The UDP is open to discuss whatever programs a
potential Coalition government is to have. We will talk on all issues, we
will give concession on certain major issues, but our position as the bigger
party is not up for discussions. It did not happen in India, not in Brazil,
or Guinea. Hence those wishing to say the truth will acknowledge this fact.
But then, we are all aware of our complex relationships. Thanks Daffeh for
highligthing this facts.
Suntou

On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 4:22 PM, UDP United Kingdom
<[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> ''Forget about putting out in the media, how about having one and discuss
> it with the very people you want to lead in a coaltion. It is not insane to
> show people what you have. I really love it when you draw this analogy on
> how it is done in Britain, even though in Britain the coalition was for the
> formation of a government. THe last time I check we are yet to win the
> election.'' - Musa JENG
>
>
> Brother Musa, it is ok for you to say this as you represents no political
> party neither are you a party leader. However, I don’t think OJ, mai fatty
> or hamat will say the same. As for Halifa, It would be shameless of him to
> even contemplate saying this since he has crudely refused to talk to the UDP
> leader despite having been personally chased by ousainu darboe on almost
> every line of communication.
>
>
>
> I remember, in one of STDGP’s conference calls, when the proposal issue
> came up. Karamba told you guys that there is a proposal there already to be
> talked about provided PDOIS agrees to come to the table. You asked me what
> is contained in the proposal; I replied that the only appropriate forum to
> unveil that is at the negotiation table and behind closed doors. This
> position remains the same. However, since you insist on an open UDP
> proposal, I urge you, as a matter of political expediency since elections
> are just few months away, to get a declaration from Podis to the effect that
> they have accepted the concept of a UDP led alliance in principle and with
> conditions attached. Tell us what those conditions are, and we [UDP] will
> put out something in the media that caters for those conditions. That way,
> we have the coalition we all yarn for.
>
>
>
> On the British analogy, i am glad that you did not deny the fact that it
> was all the same about forming a coalition and the justification for this is
> the same as ours; no one party can do it alone. The Lib Dems and the
> Tories were never known to be friends. In Fact, in most cases, these people
> don't see eye to eye on issues BUT do you know why it was possible for them
> to forge a coalition? It was because they both acknowledged and adhered to
> the conventional and universally recognised and accepted principles of
> coalition building in the national interest. There was no question about who
> should lead; it is always going to be the biggest party. The issue was only
> about the programmes that they would like to preside over to uplift the
> living standards of British citizens and residents including my humble self.
> You say this to pdois; they will say 'oh no; it has to be our agenda 1444 or
> nothing else. Well that is silly and the UDP will never entertain any bit of
> it.
>
>
>
> I agree with you that we are all potential losers here, which is a sad
> fact. Unfortunately though, there is not much the udp can do about this if
> other parties are hell-bent on wrecking the train with people like you being
> complicit in the carnage.
>
>
>
> The UDP subscribes to the universal principles of coalition building as
> known in the world we live in and if you can convince others to put aside
> their intransigence and ego and get on board, I shall give you the Victoria
> Cross, one of the highest military honours in Britain.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> DAFFEH
>
>
> On 1 May 2011 15:34, Musa Jeng <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>>  My Brother:
>>
>>
>>
>> Forget about putting out in the media, how about having one and discuss it
>> with the very people you want to lead in a coaltion. It is not insane to
>> show people what you have. I really love it when you draw this analogy on
>> how it is done in Britain, even though in Britain the coalition was for the
>> formation of a government. THe last time I check we are yet to win the
>> election.
>>
>>
>>
>> As you folks continue to pontificate, the train wreck is fast approaching
>> and in the final analysis we are all losers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "UDP United Kingdom" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>  Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 6:59:59 PM with how it is dome
>> Subject: Re: [>-<] Re: Unofficial results of the Bye-elections leaked!!!
>>
>>   *'I am yet to see any solid proposal from Ousainou or Hamat, but
>> somehow Lamin Darbo concluded that the major stumbling bloc is the only
>> serious proposal we have so far*.' -Musa JENG
>>
>> Musa JENG, please cite an example on this planet in which a coalition
>> proposal is put out in the media without having been discussed behind closed
>> doors first. The convention all around the world is that coalition proposals
>> are presented and discussed behind closed doors. It is only after the
>> process is concluded that a statement is released to the media describing
>> what has happened and what the outcome is. This is what we witnessed in the
>> UK- they behind had two police officers guiding the closed door- and it is
>> the convention UDP will follow, and this is regardless of what anybody says
>> including STGDP.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Daffeh
>>
>> On 30 April 2011 23:35, UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think I call you inadequate, KEJAU. However, I am certain that
>>> you got things wrong and it was my duty to better inform the readership. No
>>> offence is intended.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards
>>> DAFFEH
>>>
>>>   On 30 April 2011 16:59, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Sad, really sad. Daffeh calling everyone inadequate when you question
>>>> UDP's stance. Much like fankung.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Kejau's iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On 30 Apr 2011, at 10:53, UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>    Like I said before, coalitions are not negotiated in the media but
>>>> behind closed doors. There is a reason why the GMC came out with a statement
>>>> of intent and one of it is because they have been engaged by the udp. OJ too
>>>> will not certainly say he was not engaged by the udp nor will Hamat. These
>>>> are the people/parties who willingly met us at the table. PDOIS on the other
>>>> hand, crudely refused to do so and therefore, no proposal either verbal or
>>>> written will be extended to them unless they agreed to meet the UDP at the
>>>> table.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am not going to respond to Demba Baldeh as he is a clueless attention
>>>> seeker.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pa samba, I have realised the need for a coalition with or without pdois
>>>> since day one. When I first joined STGDP conference calls, this is the first
>>>> thing I said.  Musa Jeng very reluctantly gave a qualified support to
>>>> the idea while that naive Banka manneh and the hysteric Joe sambou were like
>>>> what?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  I repeat once again, the udp will not put any proposal in the media to
>>>> feed anybody's obsession. Our proposal will only be presented to parties who
>>>> agree to meet us at the table, period. This is how coalitions are negotiated
>>>> and it is the route we followed with the other parties i.e. PPP, GMC and
>>>> NRP. I wonder why pdois should be given a different treatment.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> UDP is very much aware of the fact that the other opposition parties and
>>>> leaders are not baskets that we can put on our head and carry along. They
>>>> have to be willing to come alone with us and if they choose not to, well
>>>> there is nothing we can do about that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am not aware of any concession demand from OJ’s P.P.P that is not met
>>>> by the UDP neither did I hear any declaration of intent by PDOIS, to be part
>>>> of a UDP led alliance with conditions attached.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> PDOIS is much about their Ayatollah’s Agenda 1444 and the gratification
>>>> of his persona than anything else.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards
>>>>
>>>> Daffeh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 30 April 2011 10:17, Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>   Musa
>>>>>
>>>>> It is unbecoming of you to allege that Daffeh is in the "payroll of
>>>>> Jammeh". I am worried because I heard a similar sentiment on Freedom Radio
>>>>> by one Alhajie, one of Mr Mbai's regular pundits on Gambian affairs. He
>>>>> claimed, no swore, that Ousainou Darboe is in the pay of the Professor
>>>>>
>>>>> Daffeh may hold views opposite to yours, but calling him "clueless" is
>>>>> not persuasive at all, and alleging he works for the Professor exposes you
>>>>> more than him.
>>>>>
>>>>> You have a record to protect, and I suggest you do so objectively. You
>>>>> should not see yourself as under any compulsion to respond to Daffeh.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> LJDarbo
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On *Sat, 30/4/11, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>*wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [>-<] Re: Unofficial results of the Bye-elections
>>>>> leaked!!!
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Date: Saturday, 30 April, 2011, 1:17
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh Lord! there he goes again, the Man really needs help. These are the
>>>>> kind of rhetoric and people who are the very stubmling bloc to bring an end
>>>>> to tyranny; it is not farfetched to entertain that people like him are in
>>>>> the payroll of Jammeh, or they are just clueless.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Musa Jeng
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "UDP United Kingdom" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 5:59:42 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [>-<] Re: Unofficial results of the Bye-elections
>>>>> leaked!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> It is high time that we acknowledge that fact that due to Halifa
>>>>> Sallah's arrogance and intransigence, a coalition of all opposition parties
>>>>> to confront Jammeh in 2011 is not possible to achieve. The focus should
>>>>> therefore shift to building a coalition of the willing instead.
>>>>>
>>>>> The irrational opposition bashing that has become the hallmark of forum
>>>>> discussions is only playing in the hands of jammeh and giving him a
>>>>> political boost that he doesn't deserve.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Daffeh
>>>>>
>>>>> On 29 April 2011 22:47, UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]<[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  *Kejaw, here is what I don't get, why does a coalition have to have
>>>>> PDOIS and UDP before it matters? Why couldn't the UDP bring everybody else
>>>>> on board, get on the road campaign seriously with PPP, NRP,and GMC and show
>>>>> the world they have everybody else but PDOIS and see how much pressure will
>>>>> be on PDOIS. Why wait for a skeptical partner to start working with
>>>>> everybody else.
>>>>> Why does UDP think everybody else will rally around them when Amat and
>>>>> GMC are going about doing their own thing? Forget about PDOIS after all
>>>>> people don't many think they only control 3% of the electorate!!! What is
>>>>> the hold up????* - Demba
>>>>>
>>>>> This is exactly what we intend to do. None of the other parties were
>>>>> dismissive of us in our discussions with them and I hope they will come
>>>>> along with us down this route. PEOPLE should be inclined to support a
>>>>> coalition with or without PDOIS and move on with the progressive agenda of
>>>>> nation building. This what the UDP UK has always advocated for but much to
>>>>> the annoyance of some particularly in the STGDP camp. So clearly, this is
>>>>> demba baldeh preaching to the choir.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks
>>>>> Daffeh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   On 29 April 2011 22:17, <[log in to unmask]<[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Demba
>>>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> *From: *UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]<[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  *Sender: *[log in to unmask]<[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> *Date: *Fri, 29 Apr 2011 19:20:44 +0100
>>>>>  *To: *<[log in to unmask]<[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> >
>>>>> *ReplyTo: *[log in to unmask]<[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [>-<] Re: Unofficial results of the Bye-elections
>>>>> leaked!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 'UDP should have supported the opposition candidate and ask for for the
>>>>> coalition leadership in return. But another missed opportunity gone. I hope
>>>>> the opposition leadership learn the bitter lesson of defeat.' kejau
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree and there was inclination to do exactly that. However,  you
>>>>> will agree with me that such a move must have to be worked out and
>>>>> coordinated with PDOIS/NADD fiirst. Unfortunately, they have persistently
>>>>> refused to talk to the UDP despite been chased on almost all lines of
>>>>> communications. So how can the UDP make concessions to people who keep
>>>>> telling us we don't wanna hear you; go talk to the electorates.
>>>>> Well, we will talk to the electorates and but it will be about selling our
>>>>> manifesto to them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kejau, you have deliberately chosen to ignore the facts. You are merely
>>>>> engaged in essay writing. You better ask Musa Jeng; he was aware of the
>>>>> efforts UDP had made to extend a concession to PDOIS as was stated by [not
>>>>> in detail] Karamba Touray in STGDP organised conference call. Even today, if
>>>>> pdois accept udp's offer of talks, they will be engaged and concessions
>>>>> given. That is for sure. I say it because I know it. People should stop
>>>>> making sweeping statements and try to dig into the facts start. UDP's offer
>>>>> of talks is still on the table and it is up to PDOIS to accept it. We cannot
>>>>> force them to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am aware that the expectation of certain people here is for UDP to
>>>>> throw out something in the media to feed the academic obsession of a certain
>>>>> few who will in turn engender an irrational squabble over it. Well, that is
>>>>> not going to happen. Coalitions are not negotiated in the media but behind
>>>>> close doors- I have sure you you do remember  UK's coalition negotiations.
>>>>> It was done in the Cabinet office and behind close doors. It was only after
>>>>> a final settlement was reached that a joint statement was put out in the
>>>>> media- and that is the convention the UDP will follow. However, if there is
>>>>> to be any coalition negotiation involving Pdois and UDP, our party will be
>>>>> more that happy to put out a statement at the end of that process regardless
>>>>> of its outcome, whether positive or negative.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my view, there was no miss opportunity in the Wuli east
>>>>> bye-election. It is just a question of a well determined PDOIS to perpetuate
>>>>> a fait accompli.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Daffeh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 29 April 2011 15:52, [log in to unmask]<[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> <[log in to unmask]<[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  It's got to be the voter turnout. Without the coalition the voters
>>>>> will boycott again. So get your acts together and form a coalition otherwise
>>>>> it will be another apathy. Merely talking to the other parties  may not be
>>>>> enough, instead make concessions and give assurances.  UDP should have
>>>>> supported the opposition candidate and ask for for the coalition leadership
>>>>> in return. But another missed opportunity gone. I hope the opposition
>>>>> leadership learn the bitter lesson of defeat.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Kejau's iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On 29 Apr 2011, at 15:34, Sanusi Owens <[log in to unmask]<[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Suntou
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to commend you for your honest appraisal of the situation.
>>>>> Defeat at Wuli was a defeat for all stakeholders within the Opposition. We
>>>>> therefore need to sit down and study the situation as to how we can avoid a
>>>>> much awaited embarassment on 24 November 2011.
>>>>>
>>>>> The figures shown last night is warning call for all us to think again
>>>>> and explore to the maximum the prospects of having a United Opposition
>>>>> against APRC.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good weekend
>>>>>
>>>>> Sanusi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On *Fri, 29/4/11, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]<[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> >* wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]<[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> >
>>>>> Subject: [>-<] Re: Unofficial results of the Bye-elections leaked!!!
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]<[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]>,
>>>>>
>>>>> <[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> [log in to unmask]<[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Date: Friday, 29 April, 2011, 15:14
>>>>>
>>>>>  This is a disappointing news for our area people. Wulli East area has
>>>>> always gone for the incumbent party, since the times of Sainey Singhateh,
>>>>> Malang Saho etc. Wulli West is the more determine and militant region of the
>>>>> two. Suwaibou is well known in that area, I wonder what he should do to
>>>>> penetrate the elders and their local structures. I am sad for him, because
>>>>> he would have been a good MP.
>>>>> I wonder whether his campaign team made use of the more active
>>>>> militants in Nyaikoi area. The signs were there that, going for the
>>>>> incumbent is a harden mole in Wulli East, I thought the Agenda 2011 would
>>>>> have dislodged such mindsets. Seriously, I was expecting a narrow marginal
>>>>> win for Suwaibou, but hey next time. I wish him all the best for the
>>>>> upcoming general elections.
>>>>> Suntou
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 11:13 PM, M. Gassama <<[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> [log in to unmask]<[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>> The results have just been announced on GRTS confirming Gainako's
>>>>> figures. Have a good evening.
>>>>> Buharry.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----Original Message----
>>>>> From: <[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> [log in to unmask]<[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Date: 2011-04-28 23:52
>>>>> To: <<[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> [log in to unmask]<[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> >
>>>>> Subj: Unofficial results of the Bye-elections leaked!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Unofficial results of the bye-elections in Wuli East has been
>>>>> leaked!
>>>>>
>>>>> Results at: <http://www.gainako.com/news/>http://www.gainako.com/news/
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
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