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Mathew
Your inability to comprehend the human duplicity is what is causing you be
tormented with non-existence issues.
Mathew remember, people know you off the pages of TheGambia echo and some
of your open and blatant tribalism since as a teacher in Basse.
Hence your continuous sickness with tribal writings is nothing new. And by
the way, having Mandinka friends is not in any way an indication of one's
lack of prejudice. So you can only fool people who lack deeper understanding
of such issues.
Address individuals whom you may have concluded were tribalist, that way,
you will address issues in there rights context. Why haven't you ever labour
to show us Fula tribalist? Are you saying there isn't one in the Gambia?

Mathew, what I am defending and shall continue to defend is the foolish
fears you created in your sub-consciousness against the Mandinkas. Yes you
do write about Wollof Banjulains, but then again is just the Banjul Wollofs
that are guilty of public space tribalism?
Since you have an encyclopedic knowledge of every single Mandinka/Banjul
Wollof tribalist, why can't you address those people as individuals instead
of generalising a phenomenon Mathew himself is full of? Just because you
fail to highlight Fulas who equally played a key role in the independent
struggle to the 30 year PPP rule and the current 16 years APRC rule doesn't
mean Fulas aren't equally to blame for the mess the Gambia is in.
Mathew, did you remember telling a certain former teacher in St georges'
that, "*taro, taro Lumba bata mayo*" the meaning here is whatever you do,
you cannot be a Fula. You made this statement when the mandinka guy propose
to Marry a certain Fula girl.
Mathew, I am not defending any tribalist, however, when you labour to
generalise, I have no option but to challenge you. Generalisations has led
to the second world war and many others wars in Africa.
A scholar of your calibre should do more in addressing the issues at hand,
remaining with people whom you think are tribalist and then conclude with
them.
You will not convince any sound minded Fula about the worthiness of your
crusade. Seriously, your bringing Kukois Coup etc only expose your deep
seated animosity against the Mandingos. Just because Jawara was Mandingo
doesn't at all means he benefited them collectively. And your crimes of
generalisation will cause offense not just to Suntou, but to thousands of
Mandingos who gain nothing because Jawara was the President.
Finally, Mathew, I careless if you direct your venom's at the people
you felt wrong Gambians. Many readers know you are stubborn with your
stance, however you will find equal match in some of us. We will not sit by
and allow your errors to fill the pages of the Gambia Echo.
Your statements on Saihou Mballow is for him to comment on. However, The UDP
has open its doors to good men like Mballow, he help the party and been help
by the party, moreover as far we know, he is still involve in the party in
many others ways. I guess your appealing to Fula pride will cause many
more offense to the Fula community.
Write, criticise the UDP, or Ousainou, but do so within the realms of
Gambian politics. If you believe, you can tribally analyse Gambian politics,
then do so honestly. equally include the NRP into your analysis as well,
hence any generalisation will be ignored.

"*For some reason, Suntou has convinced himself that when I write about
tribalism relating to the Mandinkas experience, it is fear. Fear of what,
might I ask? Are you kidding me? I am an equal opportunity critic of both
the Wollofs and the Mandinkas experiences in our country, especially during
those dark Jawara years when the Mandinkas wanted it all, and some
orchestrated elaborate schemes to exclude everyone else from our nation’s
meager resources. And, you wander why, first, Kukoi Samba Sanyang burst onto
the scene, and when that failed, Yahya Jammeh came along. Things don’t
happen in a vacuum. True the Wollofs were notorious for treating the
Mandinkas as second class citizens; Mandinkas too were later notorious for
treating everyone else as foreigners in their country. When I was in
college, I had no concept of tribalism, and my best friends were Mandinkas
for the most part; Sarjo Sonko from Essau, late Lamin Jobarteh from Kaur
Janneh Kunda, and Musa Trawalley from Georgetown. Musa and I were so close,
I spend Xmas and Easter holidays with his family in Bakau, and we were
always posted to the same schools when we were teaching. Everyone understood
how so bound together by friendship we were. By the mid-80s, I was no longer
naïve, for I had became aware of the tribally motivated rivalries in the
country. And I lost count of how many times I heard Mandinkas saying; Gambia
mandinkol la banko leti; and ridiculous and irritating as that sounds, some
hold on to that stupid way of thinking"* Mathew

The above statement is a clear testimony of your generalisation. Any
Mandinka who told you what you said is an individual person, deal with that
person individually. If you think your brushing everyone with one brush is
correct, then you need help. The rivalries you experience has been
experience by Mandingos too, so really you are crying about a natural human
problem.

In the U.S that you live in, some people experience one form or
other unpalatable prejudices. But if those people start brushing every
single white person with racist tag, they will be committing serious
errors. Similar thing can be said of our country, we will have some
Mandingos, Fulas, Wollofs, Jola, Sarahulehs who will be prejudice base on
unnecessary reasons. However, should that worry us if there is fundamental
cases of the rule of law and due process? No.
There are racist in America still, but why aren't blacks saying we shouldn't
live here? Because, the law protects every single person, even criminals are
threated according to law. If the Gambia have such laws, I careless about
Mathew Jallow's tribalism or anybody else.
I live next door to racist BNP supporters, it doesn't bother me the least.
Mathew, you cannot cure the tribalism in Fulas, so why worry about others?
Let us call for good governance and democratic norms.
Suntou
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Mathew K Jallow
<[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> Haruna…If you look closer, the one who hollers tribalist is the vrai
> tribalist. Just a loser, but a tribalist nonetheless
>
> Suntou/Haruna,
>
> I kinda expected this from the both of you, so I am not disappointed. The
> experience here is such that any criticism of UDP and Ousainou Darboe, can
> expect a duality of reaction from the both of you. As usual, you both seem
> to feed of each other, seeking validation for your views from each other,
> and in the process, feeding the perception many have of you as fomenters of
> tribal insensitivity. You do not see how it appears when you give to
> yourself the license to defend or even as it seems, act as the spokesmen for
> the UDP. The UDP is a Gambian political party, as such, I for one, will seek
> no one’s consent to write and criticize it in any way I choose. I could care
> less what anyone says, thinks or does. Your agitated barking and snarling,
> rather than preempt my criticisms of both the UDP and Ousainou, will instead
> exacerbate them, might I say. The advice I wrote to UDP has so incensed you
> that you took a psychoanalytical adventure to find motives in what I wrote.
> The way I see it, you both either have no clue or a proper understanding of
> what Gambia was like during the Jawara years, particularly as it related to
> the way our tribes coexisted to each other, specifically at the realm of
> governance and politics, or perhaps you just want to sweep that ugly period
> under rug. Well, I will not. I like many others, was a victim and a
> causality of that era, and as such, it was my reality then, and a part of my
> life story now. I will write about issues of tribalism, especially how the
> Mandinkas and Banjul Wollofs pillaged and looted billions of dollars to
> bankrupt two foreign funded development banks and nearly ten revenue
> generating government agencies. I will stop writing about tribal issues only
> when The Gambia becomes like Senegal. Then there will be no audience for my
> tribal awakening cause, but as of now, one only has to look at the brutal
> exchanges that both of you frequently engage in with some of Halifa Sallah’s
> talibans to see how much progress we have made in this issue. Even a fool
> can read the nasty tribal bend embodied in your exchanges.
>
> For some reason, Suntou has convinced himself that when I write about
> tribalism relating to the Mandinkas experience, it is fear. Fear of what,
> might I ask? Are you kidding me? I am an equal opportunity critic of both
> the Wollofs and the Mandinkas experiences in our country, especially during
> those dark Jawara years when the Mandinkas wanted it all, and some
> orchestrated elaborate schemes to exclude everyone else from our nation’s
> meager resources. And, you wander why, first, Kukoi Samba Sanyang burst onto
> the scene, and when that failed, Yahya Jammeh came along. Things don’t
> happen in a vacuum. True the Wollofs were notorious for treating the
> Mandinkas as second class citizens; Mandinkas too were later notorious for
> treating everyone else as foreigners in their country. When I was in
> college, I had no concept of tribalism, and my best friends were Mandinkas
> for the most part; Sarjo Sonko from Essau, late Lamin Jobarteh from Kaur
> Janneh Kunda, and Musa Trawalley from Georgetown. Musa and I were so close,
> I spend Xmas and Easter holidays with his family in Bakau, and we were
> always posted to the same schools when we were teaching. Everyone understood
> how so bound together by friendship we were. By the mid-80s, I was no longer
> naïve, for I had became aware of the tribally motivated rivalries in the
> country. And I lost count of how many times I heard Mandinkas saying; Gambia
> mandinkol la banko leti; and ridiculous and irritating as that sounds, some
> hold on to that stupid way of thinking.
>
> The other point I want to make is neither of us are aware of what I believe
> the real reason for Saihou Mballow resignation from his UPD position. During
> the U.K. demonstrations over the incarceration of Femi Peters last month,
> Gambians in the U.S. missed Mballow’s organizing skills with which he
> mobilized us to confront the powers that be at the U.N to seek justice for
> Mr. Peters and other causes. It took Saikou Mballow years to develop and
> bring to bear the combined efforts of many Human Rights organizations in the
> New York area, now all that effort seems to go down the drain. Mballow
> selflessly led the charge to organize marches and demonstrations at the UN
> and other venues with supreme success in the name of the UDP. Gambians in
> New York rallied in droves to his call in support of the causes he was
> involved in as representative of UDP. For the first time, we in the U.S did
> not organize demonstration on behalf Mr. Femi Peters, because the Ousainou
> Darboe, decided for reason to make the U.D.P a family business by-pass
> Mballow and the great infrastructure he helped built for UDP/NRP over the
> years, and instead send all official communications to his brother Yahya
> Darboe. Mballow I am told by reliable sources felt marginalized and decided
> to quit, rather than hold on to a thankless job. Now, he can stay at home,
> drink attaya, watch TV with friends, and enjoy his family, rather than
> suffer the hassle and bustle of crowded New City trying to coordinate
> demonstrations. Yaya Darboe his replacement cannot convince Gambians to drop
> all their work in order to join him in a downtown Manhattan demonstration on
> behalf of UDP for the good of our country. UDP will see what took Mballow
> many years to build, suddenly collapsed to nothingness, all because Ousainou
> Darboe decided to practice nepotism with his brother. It is the typical
> African way of governing. I wanted to write about this mini-quake a while
> ago, but I was convinced not to for fear of the political repercussion at
> home and abroad. You two might also want to know that when Ousainou and Yaya
> Jallow came to the U.S. some months ago, Yahya Darboe I am informed, tried
> to control what Yaya Jallow did; just acting like UDP was a family business
> he could control. The UDP may have Fulas like Yaya Jallow, but who can Yaya
> convince to vote for Darboe. Most Fulas don’t know him. But O.J is a
> different matter. As for Hamat Bah, he has a successful business to protect,
> and I will not count on him to be brazenly political against Jammeh.
> One more point I will make is that many of the folks Haruna calls UDP
> technocrats, were part of the failed Jawara regime; consisting of a few
> notorious tribalists, many people of mediocre intellect, whose primary
> qualifications during Jawara years, was Mandinkaness. Finally, analyze and
> criticize all you want, it ain’t gonna have any impact, whatsoever, on what
> I write, when I write, or how I write. So you will do yourself a great
> service if you save your breath and energies. For trying to restrain me in
> matters of Gambian politics is like talking to a wall. Can’t hear ya
> buddies.
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