Nope Ousman, don't misread me.. Seriously is there anything that we are
going to learn or talk about Jawara being a dictator that we have not
talked about or learned about? Seriously Ousman, I don't mean to be
disrespectful but we have more serious problems confronting us than talking
about Jawara was a dictator...

There will not be any winner on this debate and we can talk about it all
month you cannot convince anybody who thinks Jawara was a dictator... There
is a difference between opinion and facts... In the end this will lead to
insults and name calling.. and then you will agree with me that it is a
waste of precious time... I will silently follow the discussion but
personally I would rather be talking about ideas on how we get out of the
situation we are in... No disrespect intended...

Demba


On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 11:14 AM, ousman ceesay
<[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> Demba,
>
> History, someone opined, is prologue. Debates about the democratic
> credentials of a man who ruled Gambia for three decades, is not a waste of
> time. It has everything to do with the present struggle. You have people in
> the present struggle, who believe Jawara is a dictator, and Yaya  copied
> his modus operandi and improved upon it. You may not agree with the debate,
> but dismissing it as not serious, labeling people who engaged in it as
> empty barrels, a generation without ideas, is quite unfortunate.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 10:53:18 -0700
> From: [log in to unmask]
>
> Subject: Re: Sidi Sanneh Says Bring the forth the Evidence
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> So the struggle have turned to Jawara being a dictator or not? Have we
> conceded that we no longer have ideas and or the will and courage to
> continue to fight the system that is threatening to extinct the basic
> freedom and democracy every country is fighting for?... have we lost hope
> on standing up for a better society and country for Gambia?
>
> I am sorry but discussing whether Jawara was a dictator or not is at best
> a waste of precious time and energy. I would rather focus on ideas about
> how to remove and or strengthen the fight against the people who think they
> can take all of us for granted. This is a fitting description of the saying
> "empty barrels make the most noise" A generation without ideas on how to
> better their society is a lost generation... so unfortunate...
>
> Demba
>
>
> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 10:09 AM, ousman ceesay <[log in to unmask]
> > wrote:
>
>  Suntou wrote
>
> "*Mattarr, our challenge is to former top civil servants to call on the
> scholarship board in the PPP era, to produce the records of applicants and
> why, X was chosen over Y? And Why X went to an African University or
> college whilst Y went to U.K or U.S. **I am sure, the bundles of papers
> will be still be around, bar those dumped in bins amidst laughter's and
> snarling."*
>
> I hate to say this, but i was under the impression that, you already have
> access to that kind of data, before you made a categorical statement like:
>
> *"The evidences are so many and so pathetic that, one cannot make those
> sound Gambians relive their pains and agony"*
>
> For the record, I am not dismissive of the allegations that, some
> deserving Gambians didn't get scholarships they applied for. Thus, I take
> umbrage at Mr. Sanneh's categorization of the whole thing as an urban myth.
> However, I am also of the opinion that, the magnitude of the allegations
> will not stand evidentiary scrutiny either. Mr. Sanneh' take on the
> resource allocation aspect makes a lot of sense to me. Also since when, do
> we come to this notion that, sons and daughters of the elite are not
> deserving of scholarships, if they are performing at or in some cases
> better than students from poor families? I shared the same classroom with
> some of these guys and gals. And I gotta to tell you, they are no
> slackers.They are as competitive as the guy from badibou Saba.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 16:55:07 +0100
> From: [log in to unmask]
>
> Subject: Re: Sidi Sanneh Says Bring the forth the Evidence
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>
> Mattarr, for the sake of agreement, I mean, to brush it under the carpet,
> the system was perfect, there was no, never any bias, no nepotism etc, it
> was all good. Hope that help Sidi., But what is clear and will some day, in
> a democratic Gambia, come to light will be something all of us will learn
> from and attempt to improve our ways. Yes, presently, we can deny
> everything and put mammoth challenges, however, at the end of the day, what
> those who will accept certain failing agree is that, nepotism and
> favouritism was not just in scholarship awarding, but even jobs, loan, etc.
> And that chronic failings are now compounded and made worst with the
> violent political existence.
> Mattarr, our challenge is to former top civil servants to call on the
> scholarship board in the PPP era, to produce the records of applicants and
> why, X was chosen over Y? And Why X went to an African University or
> college whilst Y went to U.K or U.S.
> I am sure, the bundles of papers will be still be around, bar those dumped
> in bins amidst laughter's and snarling.
> Suntou
>
> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Matarr Sillah <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>  Suntou, when asked to present evidence or data, resorting to claims that
> cannot be substantiated does not help. And in your case, it is apparent you
> don't have any to present hence why you resort to the old talking points
> that we've all heard over and over again without a shred of evidence.
>  Hopefully, someone will have evidence that will show that the sons and
> daughters of PPP ministers were being granted scholarships to the U.S and
> the U.K, while the sons of poor farmers were being sent to the University
> of nowhere. You are really making too easy for the author by not coming up
> with anything.
>
> Regards,
>  Matarr
>
>    On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 11:07 AM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>
>  Ousman
> In essence what Sidi Sanneh is doing is the classic case of denial. The
> system in place was not properly monitored to stop favouritism, hence, who
> has the time to sit and tally all the people whose application found it way
> in the bin? I guess, in a truth, fact finding post-Jammeh era, we can all
> sit around a big table and reconcile mis-deeds happily. The system in place
> was not properly managed or monitored, that is fact. Now to proof that, a
> major announcement need to made, with compensation package on the offering,
> for people to agree to come forward.
> Just like the security apparatus was not working properly, so was the
> scholarship board, GPMB, PWD, Agric Bank, GCDB, etc...we cannot close our
> eyes to those failings amidst some great achievements. The scholarship
> board bias was an open secret Ousman.
> Suntou
>
> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 3:15 PM, ousman ceesay <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>
>  Suntou,
> Mr. Sanneh challenge all and sundry to come up with evidence. What you
> just did, is what he cautioned against. How many of these cases have you
> come across? What is the talent pool they were competing against? Mr.
> Sanneh's take on resource allocation is pretty convincing. For instance,
> how many students can you sponsor to study in Nigeria in comparison to the
> united kingdom?
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
> From: "suntou touray" <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: May 21, 2014 6:39 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Subject: Re: Sidi Sanneh Says Bring the forth the Evidence
>
>   Modou
> The evidences are so many and so pathetic that, one cannot make those
> sound Gambians relive their pains and agony. Sir Dawda as a person is a
> democrat and a genuine human being who embraced our commonness, however, he
> failed to prevailed over many vices that ended consuming his good name and
> personal sacrifice.
> Many ambitious students who later opted to study in Sierra Leon, Ghana,
> Nigeria were people whose applications to study in England, U.S, dumped in
> dustbins. The connection and nepotism in place then and now is legendary.
> Sidi Sanneh wouldn't be able to see clearly then. He should use hindsight
> and accept certain faults and advise his peer 'resusitators' of the PPP
> well.
> Thanks
> Suntou
>
> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 3:24 AM, Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>
>  While the talk on Jawara is on, I can't resist any further but bring in
> here Sidi Sanneh's challenge for evidence and empirical data of nepotism
> especially in scholarships dealings.
> LJ and Baba Galleh among others tell us your part of the story. For me at
> least I carried a bench and desk to LK Sec. Tech. in September 1991.
>
> http://sidisanneh.blogspot.com/2014/05/i-was-told-so-is-not-enough.html
>      [image: image]<http://sidisanneh.blogspot.com/2014/05/i-was-told-so-is-not-enough.html>
>    Sidi Sanneh: "I was told so" is not enough<http://sidisanneh.blogspot.com/2014/05/i-was-told-so-is-not-enough.html>
> Note:  This blog post is unusually long and necessarily so. Debunking
> urban myths is not an easy task, especially myths concocted  over 40 years
> ago. ------------...
>    View on sidisanneh.blogspot.com<http://sidisanneh.blogspot.com/2014/05/i-was-told-so-is-not-enough.html>
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