Thanks Suntou for the prayers and may they be answered. Amen.

Bailo 

--- On Wed, 10/2/10, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Let us turn a new page
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Wednesday, 10 February, 2010, 21:12

Bailo, good to know your ears are wide open. I thought you understood the famous English saying "one man's meat is another man's poison". What you believe to be crap from Suntou is a gem to some and vice verse.

I have always been a fan of politics Bailo, however it doesn't dominate my life. I reveal here last year that, i was reading and consulting with some Gambian opposition parties. trying to know certain aspects of their politics and also to maintain how i can relate to them. 

It was after this period, i decided the best option out there is the United Democratic Party. Hence my joining their ranks.
I appreciate your boldness in stating on several occasion that a party led coalition is the solution. Not every PDOIS member wish to accept this fact, but in life we have to accept and politely disagree.
The situation for us all are very similar. Our central concern is to see that a government comes to power that will respect the rule of law and adheres to good governance. And also a government that will abide by term limits and allow for diaspora Gambians to come home anytime and stand for election without any restriction like it it is now.

UDP/NRP all agrees with this principles and also PDOIS. Therefore the deliberate error some people are throwing about saying that, Ousainou will not abide by term limits is the biggest nonsense.
Ousainou is selected by the UDP at there annual party congress to lead the party, yet Jeggan is complaining that Ousainou didn't hand over to someone. Who is the new expert to lecture the UDP on how to select a party leader?

Let Halifa hand over the leadership of PDOIS to Sam Sarr before he too passes the required age. After all, the American system seems to be if you cannot get the presidency, you pass it on. Let Sam step up. Jeggan can lecture his PDOIS members but not us.

The annoying thing in all this exchanges is that, those who cry baby when we reacted are all in hibernation, this world.
No wonder truth is relative. Bee kaa foo ila bori leya, tiw tiw ( each person shout for your runner). Things are moving, albeit slowly. But progress is been made. Ajarama, and Ibalen jam. Ya Allah dandu meen foof kata e katato. Ameen.

Suntou


On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:56 PM, bailo jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:





Suntou,

I heard you loud and clear. But we gotta move on and not get stuck to the past.

As for the NIA, they are everywhere in the Gambia. Recently a young man was pulled out of a public bus at Denton bridge and merciless beaten to a vegetative state by our so-called security forces. His crime? The bus in which he was travelling was like all vehicles on the road at the time ordered off the road because the Presidential motorcade was expected along it. The wait was apparently long and this young man made the mistake of telling someone he was was speaking with on his mobile that they were waiting for the for the convoy of our stupid president to pass. An NIA informant overheard his indiscretion and decided to teach him a lesson. When the bus reached Denton Bridge; the informant ordered the driver of the bus to halt the bus, the young chap was pulled out and his alleged crime reported to the security forces. Their immediate reaction was to beat him to a vegetative state for his indiscretionary words against the President. 


It is therefore ordinary private citizens who are paying a higher price under the status quo than public personalities like Ousainou, Halifa, OJ, Seedia and the rest, the immense sacrifice of the latter category nothwithstanding.


Honestly, I am not a strong moslem as you. Evidence suggests that are not a taleban otherwise the only technology you would approved of is the killing machines. I guess you own a tv and even a computer. As such If you were a taleban, your fellow talebans would have been seeking to publicly flog for your deviation. So you cannot be a taleban! Though I must confess that sometimes I tend to mis-consider you as one very angry ayatollah who considers so-called PDOIS fanatics like myself as supporters of the great Satan. I sincerely hope that is not so. Remember, you cautioned us sometimes ago that politicians are not to be trusted. Your transformation into one within this short space of time is amazing. Who and what is primary motivation? I suppose Halifa is not the one. 


Anyway, keep up the good work for your party and the Gambia in general and please leave the crap out. I concur that you reserve the right to.........................


Best wishes

Bailo




--- On Sun, 7/2/10, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Let us turn a new page 

To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Sunday, 7 February, 2010, 12:10 






Bailo, your spin was well intention albeit your inability to accept the facts of your Messiah's calamity. He cannot hide neither run  away from his mistakes. We are all willing to move on and try to talk as brothers. But what we cannot leave alone the continuous blame game Halifa attributed to others leaving his own saintly person out.

Politics is not a career for saints Bailo, the sooner Halifa recognises that the better. And the gang mentality his supporters manifest is a turn of for even his supporters, ganging up against those who speak about his politics will only cause Halifa less cloud.

I also notice that, some of his guys start calling me Taliban, extremist and what have you. If they are willing to stoop so low in their misunderstanding of politics, my body feel for them. 
Bailo, you are strong a muslims brother who actively partake in islamic actvist, those that make you a Taliban? I know some of your Islamic commitments, but I also accept that, as Muslims, we should be interested in politics, science, literature, acceptable art, philosophy, just anything we can enhance our minds with.

But alas, the gossip that Suntou is intolerant pumped up by the PDOIS boys has reached me a long time. Some of this liers are even in cahoot with the Foroyaa establishment providing them with equipment and the like.

My Islam allows me the privilege to be an enterprising citizen wherever I live. I am a Muslim by choice and will practise Islam to the best of my ability and will put across the little I know God-Willing. I respect the laws of the land i reside in. But If my comments on Halifa incense some to the extent that, they are willing to vilify and attribute nonsensical tags to me, then I am vindicated.

 
Let us see how things pan out, we standby our findings and whenever it becomes necessary, we shall respond to all false analogies on UDP. For those who wish to be taken seriously including you Bailo, distant yourself from errors, no matter who commits them, only then people will accept your subsequent cries.

 Modou's abysmal response require no countering from us. he place Halifa in even more serious doubts hence putting across Halifa's line. He is the brave soldier and others not. The facts speaks different. Ousainou's office is man regularly by NIA agents, doing all they can to deter him from actively politics. His clients harassed, his associated harassed, yet the foroyaa guys go about their business selling papers and earning yet claiming to be sacrificing more than others. It make me laugh mate.

Suntou


On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 2:01 PM, bailo jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:






Comrade Modou,

Your clarification efforts are highly appreciated. Let us now move on and chart a new course towards helping bring about unity within the opposition movement. In our unity is our strength. However, I strongly believe that the general opposition movement would again fail to realise our common goal of achieving a new Gambia for all if we continue to rely on already tried and tested counterproductive strategies of destructive criticism aimed at promoting one's candidate while vigorously attempting to tarnish that of another's. Some may argue that come on, this is merely politics at play. I personally consider such tactics as a smear campaign. Anyone on the frontline of our national politics conscientiously opposing the retrogessive policies and actions of the unjust APRC regime deserve nothing but support and encouragement from everyone craving and campaigning for positive changes in the Gambia. Ousainou Darboe, Halifa Sallah, Femi Peters, Seedia Jatta, Mai
 Fatty and many others like them therefore only deserve our genuine respect and good advice. I had concluded long time ago that under the current poliitcal dispensation in in our beloved country the easiest and most convenient resort for any person seeking only their own personal interest would be to join the APRC Party. 


Our primary objective should be towards ensuring that the leaderships of the UDP-led Alliance and the remnants of NADD coalition would both sooner rather later pursue a strategy of meaningful co-operation with one another towards achieving an over-due united front against the incompetent and callous APRC regime. That way, the doubters would have been confounded and hope lost by the silent majority of Gambians would be restored.


Let confidence building measures between all sides of the opposition be pursued in earnest from now on as time is precious sliding away. 

Please try to help get your dear uncle bailed out after being found guilty and sentenced yesterday for making a wrongful attribution to our dear colleague, Halifa. Coincidentally, the amount payable which is any, should be envoyed to him in jail for the benefit of good Gambian causes he has been diligently campaigning for.


Finally I wish to commend organisations such as the STGDP and GDP who have been focussing on just that. Let us not be daunted nor depair; ultimate victory is assured for the cause of any struggle for justice, freedom and respect for human dignity.


Let us turn a new constructive page. Let all good works go on. Amen!

Bailo



--- On Sat, 6/2/10, Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]> wrote:



From: Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]>

Subject: Re: Foroyaa News : HALIFA SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER THE APRC TOUR
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Saturday, 6 February, 2010, 3:50








Bailo,
 
Uncle Haruna understands Halifa very well. This is why he prefers to rely on the issue of credibility and not the election statistics which Halifa relied on to draw his conclusion. My uncle is among those who say that politics is about numbers. In fact the other camp rely on this so much that they refer to some parties as fringe parties. They know what Halifa is talking about but like the proverbial ostrich they prefer to bury their head in the sand. 

 
You see, some of these people do not care whether there is change or not. What they are interested in is the change they want. If they cannot get it they prefer to join Jammeh. They should not fool the rest of us. Where is Waa who used to criticize Halifa. He accepted the post of a governor while Halifa rejected the post of a Minister. This is the difference between him and his critics. He wants genuine change for the long suffering Gambian people. 

 
Halifa has made it quite clear that the lowest common multiple in politics is numbers and concluded that the numbers which rejected both opposition and ruling party are so overwhelming that none could be considered credible if that is the yardstick of measuring credibility. He therefore concluded that those who want change should go back to the drawing board. He offered a proposal and called on others with better proposals to offer their own. Where is the bickering? All honest Gambians have seen the light and cannot be deceived any more. They know who is power hungry and those who want to empower the people.

 
Nyang
 

--- On Fri, 2/5/10, bailo jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


From: bailo jallow <[log in to unmask]>

Subject: Re: Foroyaa News : HALIFA SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER THE APRC TOUR
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 6:41 AM







Please note that perspective does not always represent reality is what I intended to express in  my previous contribution.


Bailo


--- On Fri, 5/2/10, bailo jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


From: bailo jallow <[log in to unmask]>

Subject: Re: Foroyaa News : HALIFA SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER THE APRC TOUR
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Friday, 5 February, 2010, 11:22







Please note that perspective does not always represent reality is I intended to express in  my previous contribution.


Bailo

--- On Fri, 5/2/10, bailo jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


From: bailo jallow <[log in to unmask]>

Subject: Re: Foroyaa News : HALIFA SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER THE APRC TOUR
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Friday, 5 February, 2010, 11:12








Haruna tendered "So here Evian you will notice that my notes were in response to your notes and I encourage you to read your notes where you re-presented what Halifa said." 


This is how I represented Halifa's statement: "You seem to be in denial but that is sadly the truth. The APRC is far from credible and from the perspective of the potential electorate, neither exists a more credible alternative. Otherwise, the opposition would have won last time."


Please note that perspective does always represent reality.

The truth isI did not  misrepresent Halifa; you did. Instead of acknowledging your error, you are trying to shift it elsewhere. That's absolute dishonesty!


Bailo

--- On Fri, 5/2/10, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>

Subject: Re: Foroyaa News : HALIFA SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER THE APRC TOUR
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Friday, 5 February, 2010, 0:55



What i will do Evian is to leave my comments close to yours and Halifa's in order that the proximity may yield further comprehension where cacophany meddles.




[-----Original Message-----  From: bailo jallow [log in to unmask]  To: [log in to unmask]

Sent: Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:20 pm Subject: Re: Foroyaa News : HALIFA SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER THE APRC TOUR








Sheikh Haruna, The following is exactly what Comrade Halifa was reported to have stated (emphasis mine):

“Some supporters of the APRC said that the opposition parties in the Gambia are not credible. They should also add that the ruling party is not credible. Their assessment of Gambian politics as it stands would then be correct and balanced."

 
And this is how you interpreted it:


"As to which party official speaks for the other parties, Halifa shared with us that there is no credible opposition or ruling party. What he should have said was that his party PDOIS was not credible. Then he would have been speaking for himself because he is more intimately aware of PDOIS' credibility. i think he was echoing Waa's assertions that there is no credible opposition. The problem is instead of focusing on his party's credibility, he attempted to match Waa's cluelessness. In so doing he admitted Waa may be right."



So here Evian you will notice that my notes were in response to your notes and I encourage you to read your notes where you re-presented what Halifa said. Then come back here and read the entire quote as it appeared in the Foroyaa note, undoctored by you. What you will conclude is that even given your sophomoric representation, my comment (Not interpretation) here does capture the cluelessness of PDOISards fantastically. You see the APRC supporters are smart people compared to Halifa. They are not interested in selling the demerits of the ruling party because that is who they support. Now Halifa advising them to ALSO say that there is no CREDIBLE RULING PARTY, in addition to There is no CREDIBLE OPPOSITION PARTY, and that they will have been both CORRECT and BALANCED is where he put his foot in his mouth. Implicitly, Halifa agrees with their supposition that there is no CREDIBLE opposition party as CORRECT. Because there is more than PDOIS in the
 opposition parties, Halifa is thereby speaking for other parties. That is the reason I shared the advice about when in court and accused of theft, your defense ought not be that not only are you a thief in agreement with your accuser, your accuser is also a thief. The grander picture Bailo is when you consider you are an independent voter. And you hear Halifa utter such. How does it make you feel about him and his incredulous party PDOIS. Forget NADD at this time for there is really nothing in NADD besides PDOIS. Please let me know if this is still not clear to you.

 
[So now let us focus on separating the chaff from the grain: Halifa reported that "some supporters of the APRC said that the opposition parties in the Gambia are not credible." This is factual. It is APRC supporters like Waa Juwara as you conceded who are claiming the above; it is not Halifa as you wrongly asserted. Halifa is merely a messenger who conveyed the message. What Halifa opined in response is "They should also add that the ruling party is not credible. Their assessment of Gambian politics as it stands would then be correct and balanced."] Evian.



Inutile.

[I hope you would therefore accordingly revise your interpretation of Halifa's statement to reflect the reality of what he expressed.] Evian.
 
I was not interpreting anything. I was translating. And there is no further revision necessary.

[You aso wrote: 
"I would encourage you to read Halifa's quotation again because I think you misunderstood it. Not that it makes any significant difference whether you understood it or not. It just throws your analysis of that part off quilter a bit. That is the bit about "Not excluding acceptance of candidature". There Halifa is speaking of himself and not the candidature of other. Share with us your renewed understanding."] Evian regurgitating what Haruna shared.


[As you encouraged, I referred again to the relevant statement of Halifa as follows (emphasis mine):
"Even though I am not excluding acceptance of candidature, I have already declared that the best option is to select a neutral candidate who will be able to run a non partisan transitional cabinet for a period of 2 to 5 years and then step aside after a genuine multiparty contest. It is left to Gambians to decide whether they have a better way forward."] Evian repeating. 


[My understanding of the statement remains the same even though I admit that Halifa did not qualify whose candidature he meant.] Evian.
 
Halifa did not need to qualify whose candidature he spoke of. The English is sound and very good. If it were you or Mams I would have asked for further clarification.
 
[He did not indicated either "my" or "any" to give us precision of reference to candidature.] Evian.
 
Bailo, the MY is implicit. That happens all the time in conversations in English. Just for fun, let us replace MY with ANY just before candidature. That would not have been the best sentence structure but it still tells you Halifa is speaking of himself. This is because MY is the ownership litmus but ANY goes to the quality of the candidature and not domain. Hey Allah, I hope you understand me. So let's extend the semantic game further; Let us say Halifa meant Ousainou, OJ, Hamat, or Waa's candidature, and insert any of these names just before candidature. Now you will agree with me that Halifa does not have the purview of accepting other's candidature. Do you agree? If you don't just ask yourself where is the authority for Halifa to ACCEPT a dog-catcher's candidature????? He can ascend to their candidatures when they accept accept it themselves and the way he does that is by voting his desire or ascension. These are some of the games Shaky Shaky
 plays with English in order to improve himself. Please let me know if you need further ideas on these and others.

 
[In essence, he might have been referring to his own candidature or someone else's.] Evian.
 
Unless he is retarded, he could not have been referring to any other's candidature.
 
[It is for him to help clarify.] Evian.
 
I don't need Halifa to clarify and I am certain most of our coleagues don't need any further clarification of the statement. Let us save Halifa the mental gymnastics where he could try to manufacture extraneous meaning. That will be a bigger problem for the man.

 
[Whatever he meant, I know that either interpretations are possible.] Evian.
 
You do the tests and convince yourself either way. It is easy. You can do it Bailo.

[In conclusion, I think you have mistakenly fallen for that proverbial saying of comparing apples and oranges in the following statement of yours: "Halifa endorsing Ousainou's candidature will be equal to you or me endorsing Ousainou's candidature or Halifa's candidature at this point in time. There is not much basis for that."] Evian repeating what Haruna shared.


[In order words, you have over-rated yourself and me at to be at par with Halifa;] Evian.
 
No. I am not at par with Halifa. Just ask him. We are of different mettle and polarly opposite ambition.
 
[the latter is a political known and both you and me are virtual political unknowns.] Evian.
 
Well. Do you want to be a political known Bailo????? I can make your arse famous in a jiffy. You might not like what you become famous for though. Political known. I have not heard such cacamayme since Moussa Camara shared Mbaranbirinbiring with me in 1982 in Kuntaur.

 
[Therein lies the difference between us Halifa's endorsement of any candidature.] Evian.
 
I see.
 
[Cheers] Evian.
 
Cheers to you too. And don't try to be cute with your Grand Pa again. If you know what is good for you, you'll turn in your PDOIS armband.
 
I still love you though.
Haruna.

--- On Thu, 4/2/10, Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


From: Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Foroyaa News : HALIFA SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER THE APRC TOUR

To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Thursday, 4 February, 2010, 0:41






Foroyaa News : HALIFA SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER THE APRC TOUR, NO CREDIBLE RULING PARTY NO CREDIBLE OPPOSITION A NEW WAY FORWARD NEEDED 


After the completion of the APRC tour, Foroyaa approached Halifa Sallah for comments.
This is what he said:


“Political leaders should tell their supporters the truth. A political vacuum exists in the Gambia. Some supporters of the APRC said that the opposition parties in the Gambia are not credible. They should also add that the ruling party is not credible. Their assessment of Gambian politics as it stands would then be correct and balanced. Some leaders who do not want to be honest to their supporters are trying to give the impression that the statistics I have been putting out are over statements. They are not telling their supporters the truth. Political leaders should tell the truth. For only the truth shall set us free. I have relied on empirical evidence to conclude that at this very moment we do not have a credible ruling party or opposition party. We have a duty to create both. Those who are offended by this statement are not prepared to do what is necessary to save Gambian politics from being an exercise in mediocrity.


After the presidential elections in 2006, I wrote a pamphlet in which I quoted the statistics to confirm my assertion. Gambians have to be reminded these statistics to awaken each from our political apathy. 

According to the IEC, 670, 336 voters were registered prior to the 2006 presidential elections. When the results were delivered the IEC indicated that the APRC candidate who was also supported by the NCP had 264,404 votes. If this is subtracted from the total number of registered voters it would mean that 405,932 voters did not vote for the APRC candidate. The UDP candidate who was also supported by NRP and GPDP had 104,808 votes, while the NADD candidate had 23,473 votes. The total votes of the opposition amounted to 128,281 votes. If this is subtracted from the total number of registered voters it would be apparent that 542,055 voters did not vote for the opposition. Wherein lies the credibility of the ruling party and the opposition party if politics is reduced to its lowest common denominator as contest based on the number of votes. 


Interestingly enough, in 2001 the APRC candidate had 242,302 votes when it forged no alliance with the NCP. At that time there were 501,304 registered voters. Suffice it to say, even though the number of voters increased by 169032, by 2006 the votes of the APRC could only increase by 22,102 votes. The UDP candidate had 149,448 votes in 2001. Even though it developed alliance with NRP, which had 35,671 votes in 2001, its votes went down 104,808 votes in the 2006 elections, despite the increase in the number of registered voters by 169032 voters.


Foroyaa: What is your advise?

It is therefore necessary for political leaders to go back to the drawing board and map out a new way forward. How is the opposition to attract the 542,055 voters who did not vote for them is the subject at hand. This is what Agenda 2011 is all about. Even though I am not excluding acceptance of candidature, I have already declared that the best option is to select a neutral candidate who will be able to run a non partisan transitional cabinet for a period of 2 to 5 years and then step aside after a genuine multiparty contest. It is left to Gambians to decide whether they have a better way forward. 


 

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