Brother Khalee ,
I am very much convinced that there is so much
propaganda in this serious issue of war crime,we must therefore be very careful
in falling in the same route.WE have had much from the media that the majority
of the Syrians are against Assad and that this is a war between different
religious groupings. We all accepted these narratives without much deep
thinking,without any facts.When thousands were massacred in Egypt you never
here such things as “murdering their own people” but only the justification of
the military coup.The mass media has so much power over our minds that we
seriously and in many cases refused to think on our own. One must bear in mind
that ,Syria,unlike other Arab nations has a large minority population almost
over 30 percent of that population belong to other tribes or religion.The civil
war in Syria has seen the systematic slaughtering of these groups in the name
of religion
When Carla del Ponte revealed that it was non but the rebels who
used Siren gas against syrians , this was quickly put under the carpet by the
main stream media and this poor lady was quickly put to rest on silence. There
are compelling evidence that the rebels might be responsible, even Turkey, a
strong supporter of the rebels at one time revealed that they have confiscated
chemical substance from the rebels but have since refused to say more about it .There
is certainly reason for both the US and the British prime minister to say that
they are not saying that they are 100 percent certain that the Assad regime
used the chemical substance .My reasoning has been that why will Assad do this
when he knows that the whole world will react and at a time when he invited the
UN to investigate an earlier case of such a nature. The initials numbers we had from the oppositions was that
more than one thoudsand men ,women and children were massacred, now we are
hearing that it is a little more that 300.No matter the number,the act is a
crime against humanity. My other observation is that,this last incident
happened in an area were Assad’s military forces were winning and driving the
rebels out,why will they suddenly find the need to use a chemical gas against
civilians who will later be treated in Damacus hospitals. I seriously believe that these are among the
reason,including false vedioes of the attack circulated in the social medias,
why many people are more and more getting skeptical of the whole narrative. There
are even those presenting evidences that ,for example, rebel supported medias,like
Al/jazeera, even reported about the incident many hours before it was supposed
to have taken place. I dont like Assad,I dont like any leader who thinks that
it is his birth right to lead.But here is what I read in the
New York Times today<
..........American officials said Wednesday there was no “smoking gun” that
directly links President Bashar
al-Assad to the attack, and they tried to lower expectations about
the public intelligence presentation. They said it will not contain specific
electronic intercepts of communications between Syrian commanders or detailed
reporting from spies and sources on the ground...........
With such a state of mind at the white house,will it not be right for any
one against the war to insist that there is a hidden agenda.See this one too
from the same new York Times
.......In an
interview on Wednesday with the PBS program “NewsHour,” President
Obama said he still had not made a decision about military action.
But he said that a military strike could be a “shot across the bow, saying
‘stop doing this,’ that can have a positive impact on our national security
over the long term.”..........
< our national security_ and we
are still talking about Syria and how can I be convince that this is about the
massacre of hundreds of innocent people.It could not be simply because America herself
is still using these dirty weapons against innocent people and this what
happened in Falluja, and we know what America’s very good friend, Israel did in
poor Gaza,I mean the use of white phosphorus.These are all war crimes that both
Israel and America are certain going to
continue to do and no one will bring
them to books..Let us even agree that Assad did it,will it not be an outright hypocrisy
from the Americans themselves, we are not even talking about the use of cluster bomb .
I seriously disagree with anyone who
believes that America intervene in Irag or Libya for the freedom of those
people,there is no nation on this earth that has supported both financially and
military dictators around the world more than the USA,it is not part of its culture.It
is their economic , political and military interest that takes mighty America to war.It is
their right to do so and think so.It is the same with the Russians too.I am
more that 100 percent certain that had America not fear that it will further
put her interest into more problem with the fall of Assad, by now little Assad would
have been a history.Dont just listen to big mouth Assad.Look it took the first
Africom attack on Libya by a mere rumor that Gaddafi was going to slaughter the
whole of Benghazi. The back lash in Libya, and the 100 of thousands of fascist
jihadist doing the fight in Syria,who will blow off innocent even in a mosque
in the name of Islam {sic}, America has all reason to say that there act will
be surgical and even with that, they are still not sure how it will turn out to
be.You and I know public opinion is not the decisive factor ,had that been the
case ,America will not be in war for a very long time. The opinion in America
is against the war, it is for a peaceful resolution to the crisis even the media
propaganda machine is still struggling.Tell me who does not know in the US by
now that America goes to China to borrow money to finance her wars .
With all these I am almost certain
that it is just a matter of time,but big America will go on the rampage, but
for sure,it will not be about human lives, that is secondary.
LD, you are very right,this issue
is much more complex than that and I hope another person will see the need to
this ,my few bututs on the table ,you will be much more better to do this.
For Freedom
Saiks
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 20:02:52 +0100
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [G_L] Obama considers military action against Syria
To: [log in to unmask]
Demba The charge is not genocide as that was never a central calculation in Assad's behaviour. Interesting your second paragraph as that is exactly what is happening in The Gambia. Why is no one coming to our aid, notwithstanding the widows, the widowers, children without parents, breadwinners unlawfully detained, imprisoned sometimes, tortured, and murdered. In broad daylight, and right under the nose of the Ambassadors, and High Commissioners of the key countries ranged against Syria. What is wrong with the international community saying that the evidence must be conclusive. As in domestic public life, the evidence must sanction punishment! In the States, Demba Baldeh will never go to prison without compelling
evidence, and this architecture is built into the UN Charter under whose Chapter VII powers any action in Syria must be taken, but the UK's foreign secretary contends Security Council authorisation is not necessary. Demba, in international affairs, there are no saints, and much as I love the US, and the UK, I can appreciate the propaganda of, and for war, a mile off. Propaganda is a key component of international public life, and in any major dispute, you must always keep that in mind. LJDarbo
From: Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Thursday, 29 August 2013, 18:30
Subject: Re: [G_L] Obama considers military action against Syria
Ousman,
The frustration and disappointments are understandable. However, reality dictates that there is a difference between being a candidate running for office and ACTUALLY governing... There is almost always a contradiction between these two because of the reality...
Now to some of us it really shouldn't matter who used the chemical weapons at this point in the conflict. The situation that created the condition where chemical weapons would be used is the main culprit here. If Assad were to negotiate with his country men and women and device a transition or power sharing the world would probably not have seen the use of these weapons. Certainly two years into the conflict there is no end in sight to the killings of innocent civilians by their own government. The world already have enough of the killings and then the weapons... What is the solution? Sit by and watch little children being massacred.. or engage the tyrant and give the people a chance to rebuilt. I really honestly don't think this is about drumming for war but rather stopping the genocide before we have another Rwanda...............
The jury is out but the world has a responsibility to stop this carnage just like we are calling for in Gambia...
Thanks
Demba
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Ousman Ceesay <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Candidate Obama will be critical of President Obama. This saber rattling against other countries without the consent of congress or the international community is one the things he used against his strongest opponent in 2008. If you don't believe most of the progressive community supported his candidacy because of the Iraq debacle, then I have the Kerewan bridge on the market for the highest bidder. What a change Washington does to some politicians. The same characters that advocated for invading every middle eastern country and never paid a price for it are signing letters and appearing on television telling us to strike another country based on flimsy evidence. In a civil war, such as we have in Syria, who is to say the opposition didn't use the chemical weapons to get an edge? isn't that what the united nations is investigating?
Most of humanity is waiting for some evidence before even contemplating another adventure into war theater, not the sages in Washington. They are all hanged up on this nonsense that once the president drew an imaginary red line, there should be consequences, evidence be damn. I am so tired of seeing liberals who were seething with rage when Bush defied the UN and invade Iraq make ridiculous excuses for Obama.
As of this writing ...Thursday morning, some Syrians will pay with their lives because America's president want to send a symbolic message. That is as outrageous as the one he purports to answer.
From: Malanding Jaiteh <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: [G_L] Obama considers military action against Syria
For much of the world and I believe
many in the US its not about how bad Assad have acted over the
past 2 yrs but what authority do we (the US and the rest of the
world) have to "punish" him? Will "punishing" stop further
bloodshed?
Malanding
On 8/29/2013 11:02 AM, Husainou wrote:
Sir LBD I profoundly honor your opinion but from I read and
heard the weapon used against those people was nothing more than
chemical weapon.
Hous
On Aug 29, 2013, at 9:09 AM, Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
Hous
I don't know what was used against "those poor
defenceless civilians", and so I await the informed
verdict of UN mandated investigators.
LJDarbo
From:
Husainou <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent:
Thursday, 29 August 2013, 14:04
Subject:
Re: [G_L] Obama considers military action against
Syria
Well somebody used chemical weapon against
those poor defenseless civilians. All fingers
are pointing at Assad's regime who is among few
nations that still have stockpiles of such
deadly weapons.Those rebels don't have the
resources to maintain chemical weapons . Right
now Assad is desperate , he will do anything to
keep him in power.
Hous
On Aug 29, 2013, at 8:22 AM, Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
Saiks, and Alieu
Your short reactions are not
doing justice to the topic, but I am
with you for there is something quite
profound in your takes. If time permits,
you should consider full length essays
on this crucial topic.
The geopolitical calculations
over this region are immense, and so
far, there is no convincing evidence
that Assad indeed used the alleged
chemical weapons. A CNN anchor suggested
to a so-called political science
professor (Arab national) out of
Dubai that it is indeed plausible for
the chemical weapons to be supplied by
countries such as Saudi Arabia, and
others opposed to Assad. His response
was that the rebels would not use such
weapons against their own people. And he
calls himself a political science
professor!
The chemical weapons issue is
quite complicated and there are a number
of possibilities over who could have
been behind its alleged use. If chemical
weapons are like bullets, I wonder if it
is possible to track the origin of the
type used in this alleged attack in
Syria. Any views, Kejau, and Khaleel?
More fundamentally, another issue
for me is why so much emphasis on the
alleged use of a weapon that killed 2000
max in a war where an estimated 100,000
perished. Is this not baffling, and why
the huge global arsenal of chemical and
nuclear weapons?
I'm glad the democratic system in
the UK forced a climb down by David
Cameron yesterday.
In the domestic arena, there is
no question whatsoever that the US and
the UK are among the preeminent
democracies of modern times, with
governmental systems based on restraint
grounded in the rule of law
and the separation of powers. There is
no such routine respect for legality
when it comes to international affairs.
Over the past several days, the UK
Foreign Secretary consistently argues
that with or without the authorisation
of the UN Security Council, they will
move against Assad. This is quite
troubling in the sense they set up the
veto and permanent membership system of
the Security Council. It is vital that
they operate within the constraints of
that system, and not use its awesome
powers as a double-edged sword. None of
these leaders would dare contemplate in
the domestic sphere what they are
advocating in international affairs!
At the very least, the prudent
thing to do is wait for the report of
the UN mandated weapons inspectors, and
in the words of the Secretary General,
"give peace a chance" in that process.
If the US goes in today, the UK
will not join in for a few more days, if
at all. I celebrate UK democracy for
insisting on verifiable transparency
LJDarbo
From:
samateh saikou <[log in to unmask]>
To:
[log in to unmask]
Sent:
Thursday, 29 August 2013, 12:20
Subject:
Re: [G_L] Obama considers military
action against Syria
K,
Just droping few Lines,East
Timor and Siera leone conflicts
ended not as result of militAry
intervension likewise Sudan.the
Un has/had a peace mission in
the first two,one of which you
Your self participated with A
full Un mandate not only making
it a legal action,but in world
opinion too very ligitimate.see
i Am not a pasifist ,in my
response to brother khaleel i
will forward the reason given by
Obama as to why he need to act
on Syria
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 12:51:45
+0200
From: [log in to unmask]
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considers military action
against Syria
To: [log in to unmask]
Thanks Saiks.
As brother Demba said,
the results are determined
mainly by the nationals and
not the liberation aiders.
Sierra Leone, East Timor,
Sudan, came to mind as
success stories.
Kejau
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Brother
Khaleel,thanks,so much sense
in what you said it will be
difficult to respond to you
but I will try later in the
day. Kejau, what for me is
liberation might be very
much different from
yours,which is also ok.One
thing is certain,I dont
believe that it is the duty
and responsibility of one
nation to liberate another
nation,for me there will be
no liberation based on the
desire of the people.There
is no force on earth that
can resist the will of the
people.The mighty fascist
Soviet Union was pulled down
to the ground by people
without guns or bullet,if it
can happen there,it can
happen anywhere on this
earth. I dont believe that
the people of Irag,Libya or
Afghanistan have been
liberated.Let me tell you
one thing,if the US or
Senegal,or any nation offer
me to liberate Gambia with
results of Irag ,Libya or
Afghanistan,I will say no
thanks,let Jammeh rule.
For Freedom
Saiks
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013
07:45:55 +0200
From: [log in to unmask]
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considers military action
against Syria
To: [log in to unmask]
Thank you Khalleel,
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From: Khaleel Jameel <[log in to unmask]>
Date:
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Subject: Re: [G_L] Obama
considers military action
against Syria
Saiks,
Asad’s
guilt or innocence
in the recent
chemical attacks
on his own people
could have been
determined from
jump by working
with the
international
agencies to
investigate cause
and responsibility
for that heinous
crime. But of
course who is
going to extend
his/her hands to
shake another if
your hands are
covered with dirt
during a search
for a grave
digger? U.S never
blessed Saddam to
use chemical
weapons back in
1988 or so. It
could be argued
that someone in
that
administration has
to know that they
were going to use
it prior to them
executing that
mission. I would
certainly not
reference
wikilinks in a
serious
conversation, and
of course key word
here is I.
You
are right; I will
never consider war
to be a solution
to any situation.
U.S invasion of
Afghanistan, Libya
and Iraq did not
make those
countries a
developed country
but has arguably
not made them any
worst. Like Demba
mentioned, these
countries were
liberated and
given a chance.
How they choose to
run their country
from that point
have a lot to do
with their
concept,
commitment to
their people and
the rule of law.
I
don’t honestly see
Syria being any
different but
would you rather
the world sit back
and watch the
massacre and
slaughter of
innocent citizens
of Syria? U.S.
is indeed doing a
lot of supporting
of many
organizations
openly and
privately however;
so is many other
countries in the
world. Does that
make it ok? Hell
no. Did you see
how much Saudi
Arabia, Kuwait and
Jordan combined
gave to Egypt?
Ridiculous I’m
thinking.
It
is my believe
that there is no
morality in war.
When one nation
comes to the
conclusion to
fight another
nation for
whatever reason,
humanity and
morality failed
utterly. I
believe that every
war is futile when
compared to the
senseless massacre
of human lives.
U.S however has
lost both money
and lives of their
brave men and
women in defense
of many nations
across the globe
and I commend them
for that. It only
shows their
tenacity for
freedom to prevail
and they
demonstrated time
and time that they
will make the
ultimate sacrifice
for any nation.
Are they always
right; no. Is it
necessary at
times; I will say
yes but don't beat
me up bad.
Khaleel
Date: Wed, 28 Aug
2013 23:47:41 +0200
From: [log in to unmask]
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Obama considers
military action
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To: [log in to unmask]
Saiks.
I wonder how
you can say the
US invaded those
countries even
after helping
those countries
people to remove
dictatorship.
Do you meant to
say UK also
invaded Sierra
Leone?
Kejau
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From: samateh saikou
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Obama considers
military action
against Syria
I
will be happy to
know how one is
certain that
Asad is
responsible
.lets look at
the following
facts too.in may
a un inspector
claimed that it
was the rebels
who did the
c-attact
,which was the
original case,
few days ago we
have been
reading leaks
docs from
weakilinks that
Sadam with the
blessiing of the
US did use
it,Now we all
know what
happened in
Faluja,right,which
means there are
nations who have
no right to talk
about moral
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