Dramane, I see you wanna be funny.

[In a message dated 4/14/2009 1:32:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Haruna
Why is there a need for you to use high  sounding words which are quite
very boring and vague?]

What high sounding words? Show me one high  sounding word in my notes
Dramane and I will replace them with lower  sounding words.

[Why not use 'is and was English' and be  understood?] Dramane.

Is and Was English? What tha hell is  that? Is that why you wrote "quite
very" in your query above? What is  wrong with yew Dramane? Don't you friggin
know that is a tautology? So you  want me to be an idiot to be understood?
New Kambians. I thought you were  my friggin friend. My friends don't
entertain mediocrity inorder to blend  in with other idiots. Nka Malu-ilaleh.

[This forum is not a school boy debating  centre to impress just for the
sake of it.] Dramane.

Have you ever seen me debate here or  elsewhere before Dramane? Did I not
tell you I don't friggin debate  online? Where have you been anyway? Oh Ok at
Posten. You're forgiven. And  another thing, who do you think you are
coming to our community and  seeking our opinions without first introducing
yourself to us? I noticed a  certain conceit in you and lack of respect that
wouldn't get you very far  in life. You need to ax the folk of Drammeh Kunda to
give you advice on  etiquette.

[Can you please re write your contribution  in 'is and was' English.?}
Dramane.
NO. I don't friggin know what an "Is and  was English" is. Go to Campama or
Posten for that. Not Ellen.

[Look at Baba Galleh Jallow he writes in  'is and was' and yet he remain
our own version of Charles Dickens.]  Dramane.
Did Galleh tell you he writes or even  knows what an "Is and Was English"
is? I think you owe Galleh an apology.  And if you think such literary
laziness and cowardice is Dickensonian  you're more screwed-up that I imagined.
And BTW, I do not wish to be like  Galleh. I admire the man immensely, but
that is because I am friggin  Haruna. Don't friggin piss me off.

[Please teach this man how to write Baba  Galleh.] Dramane.
Galleh teaches me everytime he speaks. I'd  like to think the honour is
mutual. That is why I am friggin  Haruna.

And I got a question for your tiny behind:  WHy would you solicit the
opinion of others before you are able to form  your own on insignificant and
inconsequential matter??? What will you do  when the opinion really counts???
Are you capable of forming your own  opinions without gauging temperatures???
Charles Dickens my big beautiful  black arse. I recommend Gerald Durrel's
"My family and the other  animals".

[Muhammad Bai Drammeh Bin Alhagie Sheihu Muhammad Lamin  Drammeh Bin
Muhammad Kanday Drammeh bin Muhammad Kissima Drammeh bin Foday  Drammeh] Dramane.

RIGHT. Haruna. MQJGDT. AL  Mutawakkil. Why are you so mad at me Dramane??
Before this I really  thought you were my reasonable friend??? I don't think
you're the same  Dramane (A Morehouse Product) that I thought you were. Go
away.  Darbo.


--- On Tue, 14/4/09,  [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From:  [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The  Halifa Factor, what next?
To: [log in to unmask]
Date:  Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 3:21 PM


Laye, Good to hear you again.

Allow me to chime in for a minute.

I totally understand your sentiments vis-a-vis Halifa Sallah and I  share
some of those sentiments. I also understand Suntou's oped and I  share some
of his views. I am of equal opportunity grace. What I  see is that we risk
taking this conversation to the sentimental and  ecumenical realm as is
usually the case when we speak about Halifa, a  man who aspires to lead Gambia
through the political party PDOIS. I  advise that we bear on sobriety.

I take Suntou's oped as a fact-finding query given the fact  that Gambians
have a cynical view of politicking. Perhaps Suntou can  yield greater
perspective on politics in this query. He is not to be  dismissed for sentimental
reasons however. It is natural for a PDOISard  to be up in arms when their
party leader is questioned but consider that  with the requisite temerity and
discernments, the questioning, even if  disdainful, can strengthen the
leader as well as improve our lot as  a people.

I commend Halifa for embarking on a fact-finding mission into  the
witch-hunting saga as a human being. Witch-hunting is the veritable  insult to our
collective consciences and acumen, especially one  sanctioned by Yahya, whose
faculties are not readily discernible. You  have posited, and
appropriately, that the onus of fact-finding in such  egregious matter is not the reserve
of Halifa alone; to  wit: "Halifa Sallah is not and should not be the only
person of  dignified conscience amongst the leaders or those who claim to be
 opposition leaders in Gambia. What he has done and gone through
demonstrates to all and sundry that you, I and every human Gambian must  not stand
aside and look while your fellow Gambian and human is being  humiliated in the
most degrading manner."
Laye, you will therefore agree with Suntou that all Gambians have  been
equally incensed by the saga, but that Halifa being the leader of  PDOIS had
wished to capitalize on common disdain to yield PDOIS greater  fortune. I am
reminded that there are others in PDOIS like Sam, Sidia,  Amadou, Samba,
Suleyman, who could have embarked on the same  fact-finding, but were they to
have been arrested, they do not stand an  equal chance of relief as Halifa
had. To whom much is given, much more  is expected. You will see that Halifa
himself has shared in his  defense of the erroneous charges levelled against
him by an uncouth and  clueless prosecutor, that he derived his rights from
our common  constitution and the fact that he is a leader of a political
party. Any  journalist can embark on the fact-finding mission and by dint  of
Halifa's association with the PDOIS party organ Foroyaa, he has  added umph!
These are some of the reasons you feel comfortable in  comparing Halifa to
Gambia's other politicians who in your own words and  disdainfully "claim to
be opposition leaders in Gambia." You know what  happens to journalists who
embark on fact-finding missions including  Foroyaa journalists. Politics
therefore was a major factor in both  enabling Halifa to embark on a
fact-finding mission. Were he not leader  of PDOIS, proprietor of Foroyaa, a
respectable contributor to the  pan-African parliament, he may have or may not have
entertained the  risks associated with fact-finding in Gambia.

The broader picture therefore is that even though many Gambians are
incensed with the witch-hunting grafignette, our political leaders,  opposition or
incumbent, are the ones most empowered to prosecute  our collective
disdains and anxieties. This means that politics is our  legislative life. Whether
Halifa engaged with ulterior political motives  or not, is therefore
immaterial to me. However, ordinary citizens are  free to query his motives as much
as they are free to express repulsion  at Yahya's motives and pantomime. It
is in the explanation and general  disposition of PDOIS and Halifa that
will yield attenuated  fortunes.

It is unwise to compare Halifa to our other opposition political  leaders
from both a human standpoint and from a colegial view. That I  think will be
the height of conceit and an insult to our collective  intelligence. And it
unfortunately furthers the strictly political  motive of Halifa and PDOIS.
You will realize that we did not get to  the point of Yahya embarking on
repulsive witch-hunting exercises in a  vacuum. Life is ever so dynamic. Yahya
was enabled somehow and I suppose  that has escaped us. That is the
schematics of politics that erodes most  future and "pure" goodwill.

What Suntou is trying to figure out, is whether there is salvage  value in
the preliminary steps taken by Halifa and whether Halifa can be
instrumental in yielding that salvage value for commoner good. I submit  that the best
way to achieve that is by all of us enabling our  other political leaders in
APRC, UDP/NRP (NDP), PPP, GPP, and GDP  to coordinate the prosecution of
our legislative life as Gambians. The  days of bunker politics are waning and
there are signs everywhere for  the astute. We did not see any amalgam of
forces by our political  leaders when Taf-Taf Yahya bereft of Gardens stole
Brufut Lands and  dispossessed Brufutians, nor did we see the same when
Halfdiens  were unscrupulously dispossessed of their homes in the name of port
expansion. Witch-hunting and circumstance is tantalizing and a gross
violation of human rights. But so are the myriad precursor  trespasses that enabled
it. You will realize that Halifa is not easily  amenable to coordination of
effort with other opposition parties.  Glaring. The witch-hunting
fact-finding could yield more tangible  results if it were actively coordinated. But
PDOIS is on a mission that  does not seem to be common relief. It was when
the onerous exercise  threatened PDOIS electoral fortunes that Halifa engaged
in fact-finding,  the numerous reports and eye-witness accounts of it
not-withstanding.  Halifa's initial statements on the saga betrays ignorance to
warrant a  fact-finding.

That is all for now. - Haruna. Allez-y!!




In a message dated 4/14/2009 3:43:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:

Suntu:

Halifa Sallah is not and should not be the only  person of dignified
conscience amongst the leaders or those who  claim to be opposition
leaders in Gambia. What he has done and gone  through demonstrates to
all and sundry that you, I and every human  Gambian must not stand
aside and look while your fellow Gambian and  human is being humiliated
in the most degrading manner. We should  be thankful that we know in
Halifa, ONE Gambian that will stand up  to the brutalities of the
regime and would rather die or languish  in jail than to sit and see
his fellow beings dehumanized in broad  day light. To insinuate that
Halifa was looking for personal or  political gain in the exercise of
liberating his conscience and  dignifying the value of human life,
smirks of debilitating  ignorance and an insult to his and our
conscience...God  forbid!

-Laye

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 4:08 AM,   <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> An interesting oped to  ponder Suntou. Discerner-in-Chief!!! I think Yahya
> shot  himself in the foot. And I'm worried about our two bad left-eyes.
New
> Kambians!!!! Haruna. You pamplemousse!!!
>
>  In a message dated 4/13/2009 6:29:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight  Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Monday, 13  April 2009
>
> Halifa Factor In Gambia's Witch Hunt  debacle
>
> By Suntou Touray
> With the dust almost  settled even though facts about the Gambia’s
witch
> hunting  episode may all not be known, there is occasion to reflect over
the
> whole encounter. Men dressed in red raided settlements in  search of
witches.
> They captured people of decent background  and made them consume lethal
> concoctions in the name of  ridding them off witch craft spirits. Some of
the
> captives  died. Large numbers still remain in biting pains, mostly deep
in
> their stomach.
> Former Serrekunda East parliamentary  member and sociologist Halifa Sallah
> was last month arrested  and detained at mile 2 prisons for over a week.
This
> was due  to his decision to visit two villages over a witch hunting
>  incidence. Halifa after his release commented that he went on a fact 
finding
> mission to the two villages. More accurately put he  tried to proof
whether
> the witch hunting story was actually  true or false.
> Halifa was arrested afterward because the  government felt that, he as an
> ordinary citizen of the Gambia  who seeking to impersonate the work of the
> police or state  security agents.
> No doubt Halifa by all regards played brave  by what he did. Why he did so
> remains a question on wet  lips.
> Some people considered it a genuine move by Halifa to  prove what others
> thought a mere rumour. To others Halifa was  in a publicity campaign for
> himself and certainly scored  political points whether he preferred using
> that or  not.
> From what came out of the encounter Halifa made us all to  know that the
> witch hunting story is real and the actions are  sanctioned by Gambia
> government.
> What next after  knowing the true story still a valid question for curious
>  onlookers. Will there be any lawsuit against the government for the
unlawful
> conduct of humiliating and harassing innocent  Gambians?
> The witch hunting episode ended up projecting  Halifa’s political
profile at
> higher levels. He was a victim  of arbitrary arrest but that by itself
> arrested the tormenting  witch hunt at least until matters settled over
> Halifa’s own  arrest and brief detention. The whole saga eventually
shifted
>  from the witch hunting focusing on Halifa. That earned him a high
profile
> victim of the unjust government crime of witch  hunting.
> Halifa made noise about the remote control Gambian  constitution loud
enough.
> He defended his action by quoting  various sections of the Gambian
> constitution, a document he  knows about inside out. Halifa knows too well
> also that  document is serving one man and one man only, Yahya Jammeh the
>  current Gambian head of state. Since many Gambians know for a fact  that
> document is not protecting their human rights for a  number reasons one
> wonders if there was any need for Halifa to  labour over constitutionality
> this fragrant government  encounter with innocent citizens.
> The gains of Halifa’s  intervention can double if he was to help the
victims
> pursue  claims of damage resulting from such inhuman treatment. The
victims
> deserve good compensation.
> The good efforts of  Halifa placed him beyond the single position of flag
> bearer  PDOIS /NADD to the lofty point of standing tall for Gambian
people  in
> times of need. This is enough wakeup call for Gambians over  length and
> breadth of the country to resist the advances of  witch hunters. Halifa
can
> draft a comprehensive law suit  against the government as seen truly
standing
> up for the  people. The point of departure would be the constitution, a
book
> fully in Halifa’s firm grips. Impeachment proceedings  against the
president
> can be initiated, thus demonstrating  severity human rights violations.
> The law suits may not bear  quicker results but to make the government pay
> victims.  Through that citizens will go long way in exposing the severity
 of
> state organized crimes.
> We await Halifa’s future  actions concerning the witch hunting debacle.
> Halifa’s  political profile is undoubtedly boosted. Other gains exceed
>  individual political scores. Yahya should not have arrested Halifa in
the
> first place. The only reason one would think he ordered  his arrest was to
> cause wider divide among the ranks of the  opposition.
> Halifa’s followers have a talking point- our  only saviour they would
say. He
> emerged hero of the hour. His  arrest has potential to change something.
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