LJD: Greetings & thanks. Points well noted. Best regards,Yero
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Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 10:16:46 +0100
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YJ
If I ever bolted to to dictatorland, I know who to contact for readmission into conscienceland when the temperature in the former chilled for me.
YJ contended:"The shame is Amadou himself ended up getting trapped in that shameful system he described above for reasons best known to him. He faced the consequencies of joining them exactly the way he described in those lines. The question is why did he do that? Many theories can be forwarded. Your own take among the many leading us to this debate. I am not going to spend time speculating what was in his mind when he did
what he did, "
If you cuddle your above proposition too affectionately, this debate is likely to continue for the simple reason you are yourself speculating and in quite a partial manner. Dr Janneh was not a trojan horse, either for himself or for anyone else. He was in the Professor's government to serve Dr Janneh, and the Professor. The objective and verifiable evidence suggests that Dr Janneh severed links completely with the struggle. His
conduit to Professorland was an Atlanta buddy who was himself a cabinet minister at the time. I can assure you Dr Janneh had no motive of even the slightest potential benefit to the struggle against tyranny when he joined the Professor.
I stated on this medium that Dr Janneh tried recruiting me to write articles against AFPRC soon after the coup. At the time, he was an Adjunct Lecture at the University of Tennessee Knoxville where I was a student at the College of Law. I told him I couldn't because I completely
supported the overthrow of the decadent and utterly worthless PPP government.
What calculations were at play then?. And what calculations were at play when contributing to national development beckoned for Dr Janneh some 8-9 years later? I am raising this issue only because the immensely sensible and politically astute Demba also alluded to a possible trojan angle to Dr Janneh's conduct. When you have an opportunity of a radio chat with Dr Janneh, allow him to articulate
his reasons for joining the Professor's government.
In the interim, try understanding the Professor's mode of governance and it won't be long before discounting trojan calculations as a driver for Dr Janneh's decision to join dictatorland's policy councils.
Another little matter requiring ventilation is whether you are willing to organise a demonstration for the release of former IGP Jesus Badjie.
Finally, I read our friend Joe as keeping the door ajar for Dr Janneh to reenter conscienceland and GON has
a crucial role to play when it conducts a polite but robust chat with the CCG coordinator.
LJDarbo
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[Gambia-l:
the firing of Cheyassin Secka underscores the predictability of the Jammeh regime. His personnel policy models the classic game of musical chairs, only in this case with profound and detrimental consequences on a nation held captive by a gang of hoodlums.
We need the psychologists amongst us to explain why supposedly intelligent people are willing to be Jammeh's hounddogs, praise singers, henchmen, etc. knowing the humiliation that inevitably awaits them. As the saying goes, "Learning without virtue is like pearls on a dunghill."
Salaam!
Amadou scattred Janneh ]
Joe:
No doubt you have raised great points. This is a healthy debate and we are about opinion making. Be rest assured, you won my respect not today especially on your consistency and some of the things that matter in our Gambia. I am
not going to dwell on my lecture of "strategy" as you want to put it. Nonetheless, I call it my opinion since everyone's thought counts. I am a firm believer of opinion regardless of my disagreements with the individual. I am not holding brief for Dr. Janneh.
Allow me look at the above quote in my own right. What Janneh said in the quote above is matter of fact true. I know a thousand and one people who've been thinking in the same way, you (Joe) and myself included. The quote is nothing new in our public sphere if there is anything to go by. The shame is Amadou himself ended up getting trapped in that shameful system he described above for reasons best known to him. He faced the consequencies of joining them exactly the way he described in those lines. The question is why did he do that? Many theories can be forwarded. Your own take among the many leading us to this debate. I am
not going to spend time speculating what was in his mind when he did what he did, especially some of the irresponsible comments he made as Information minister when Deyda Hydara was shot to death by the state terror machinery. I hope he will man up to explain to us everything.
Some friends that called me alerted me that Dr. Janneh is pretending out there to be Gambia's Mandela. I wasn't aware of that. If that is the whole hue and cry, I bet to seriously caution him to what the Ollofs call "ehmaleh." On the other note which is very important to me, is at lesat seeing his freedom from the clutches of tyranny.
Anyway, thanks for your input guys. Thanks Sariang!! We all love Joe for Joe bites so hard, yet still he've remained the same man for all these years. For that we say, bravo Joe!!
Best,
Yero
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Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 06:50:16 -0500
Sariang, thanks for your input and the conversation will continue to its logical conclusion with no blood shed. My fellow citizens cannot have it both ways. We must live the Gambia we aspire to create in our daily living if we want to be taken seriously. We have criticized many a Gambian on the other side, Yaya being the worse hit and for good reason. Now, how do we even calibrate our minds to grant an exemption to a known turncoat just because he came out of prison, baffles me. Instead of telling their guy, I think you must do the right thing and apologize to Gambians for what you knowingly did to them, they come here to preach to us about strategy. No, the Gambia we are fighting for calls for equal treatment for similar crimes and by whom ever, my uncle included. We put Essa Sey, Ebou Jallow, and countless others through the same vetting process, so, who is Dr. Janneh to be given a pass? Dr. Janneh must be full of himself to even think that he can just
slip through. You saw the quote from Dr. Janneh when Cheyassin was fired. The man was an expert on Jammeh, yet, greed got to him and he went doggy style for Jammeh. Now, if they think that they can have a radio show with Dr. Janneh in a sanitized environment and to dangle that as he spoke to Gambians, they will be utterly surprised. This partial attitude from our fellow citizens is cause for concern. Support my own, is that not the hallmark for Yaya's Gambia? Are we looking to replacing the rotten for the rotten? I am one Gambian and I spoke. My fellow citizens will have the last word on how they intend to proceed with the facts on the table.
Joe
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:50:30 -0700
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Demba et alSo far important points raised however, we are at a cross road,our current predicament has call for action and unity. I have the firm belief that both Dr Janneh and Joe loved the Gambia. Further am not sure Joe was dismissive of any efforts,more importantly he was calling for an honest and open dialogue. From my standpoint, I honestly do not think working for the present government or a fallout disqualified someone from participating in our democratic process. Finally, I am anxiously waiting to hear from Dr Janneh especially in response to questions raised by Joe. Great inputs from Lawyer Lamin Darboe who I admire and respect greatly, Joe, Yero and yourself please let's keep the conversation alive.Thank you.Sariang
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On Oct 18, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hi Mawdo Demba,
Your list below is not exaggerated. Just for correction, the Pa Sallah (former Banjul mayor) we met in Atlanta in that conference symposium ran under an independent ticket. He is certainly one of my favorite speakers. He did a great job when he convinced me that jammeh operates the same way as Hitler.
All said and done, we must not pin certain individuals and spare some. That is certainly one of the take aways from your piece below.
Granted that the mighty Joes are the political smarts (Joe knows he is equally my hero despite my disagreements with some of his bites) and those of my likes political naives, I must clearly state in an unbalanced status quo like the one in the Gambia, I will just stick to my naivity and
fight for every victim of tyranny regardless of their association. I recalled when Dida Halake was arrested, it was our own Fatou Jaw Manneh who said, let's do something about it, despite the fact that Fatou her self was in the Gambia being prosecuted for her comments about Jammeh being a bunch of terror.
Some important lessons can be drawn from the leadership of the Prophet (Muhammad-PBUH). The wisdom of prophet realized the need to get even some early aggressors closer to him. Omar (RA) was one of them. I know the conditions are different, that is one is for religion and the other is for worldly politics. I am just saying that we need some numbers to walk with. The alienation of some cannot be a winning formula. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be tasked for crimes they committed.
Some day, hopefully not far, we will be faced
with having to decide Jammeh's fate. I am sure many will still demand that Jammeh be tried properly to make sure Justice is truly served. Count me as one of them.
Best,
Yero
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:12:56 -0700
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Cherno,
I agree with Joe in principle that folks should take responsibility for their own decisions and that truth matters no matter the circumstances. However, I am mindful of circumstances in which we find our country in. If we were to dismiss or find politically wanting all our fellow citizens who decides for one reason or another to serve the Jammeh administration then we will be left with few credible citizens.
I strongly believe that the Jammeh system like many other dictatorial systems victimize citizens from the political class, social fabrics and professional elites all into appearing to be opportunistic. Right now in Gambia from our own parents, to Imams, civil servants and even other young professionals have all become victims of the system that has been imposed on our country.
If we were to ask every Gambian who decides to serve the Jammeh regime to apologize to the Gambian people before speaking against the regime, then am afraid we will be left with a minority. Many of our elites in one way or another have served this regime. Under normal circumstances these people would not and should not be serving Jammeh but country. Unfortunately because of power greed every citizen who serves our country appears to be serving Jammeh. I think this is a mistake.
My questions as well, what is the difference between Dr. Janneh and the BB Darboes, brother Essa Seys, Mamburay Njie's, Pa Sallah former Banjul major, and the whole host of respectable and very dedicated citizens who have in one way or another served under this regime?. Should everyone of them come to apologize for wanting to serve a country and not a dictator?
In fairness to Dr. Janneh, I think he should be given the benefit of the doubt that in fact he may have had a different plan and approach to dealing with Jammeh. We may all recall that Dr. Janneh was fired as Minister of information because he was allegedly accused of espionage (spying on the government). Could he in fact have had an idea that in other to understand how the administration works and to better position himself into fighting this regime, he may temporary need to go home, join them and do his home work to stand against the tyrant? He could also have left Banjul after being fired if in fact he wanted the same security and freedom that many who have left Banjul for safer places. But Dr. Janneh stayed and he continued his networking within the circle of the administration and worked on his own plans knowing all the dangers that came with him planning on taking the administration on.
I can go on and on, but I think we need to be careful in dismissing everybody that in one way or another who served this administration. There are so many ways to confront a dictator and for Dr. Janneh he may have made a tactical mistake in thinking that joining the administration was a quicker way to take them on... And he nearly paid the ultimate price for that mistake. I think we should be forgiven of him as he has paid for that mistake but at the same time he has decided not to be silenced. Many people did the same and they have gone quietly. I can bet on any citizen who is willing to suffer the consequences of the struggle, escape near dead and still believe in the struggle we are all in to liberate his people...
I think these are healthy debates and my senior brother Joe will always call it the way he sees it... We should agree to disagree without being dismissive.
Highest Regards
Demba
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 4:12 AM, C. Omar Kebbeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
I think Joe is on point. My question is how is Dr.
Janneh any different from other folks, ministers, that all of u keep on chastising daily. I'm sure Dr. Janneh would have continued to serve if he was not fired by the professor. On that he not different from any other servant of the professor.
On Thursday, October 18, 2012, Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Rene, may be speaking the truth will kill me one day, but that informs my person. I will be damned if folks think I will change my values for some maaslaa BS. You have a Political Science Professor of all people that lectured, wrote articles, books, etc. about the Devil in Kanilai, only to be led by his greed and we are supposed to play dead in the name of fighting Jammeh. What Amadou is doing gives us a glimpse of his mindset. To have the gull to speak for Gambians without their consent under the circumstance is the reason why he ended up in Mile 2. I look forward to meeting Amadou in the flesh and my promise stands.
> Joe
>
>> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 05:10:25 -0400
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>>
>> Joe, my brother. You reminded me of the Bob Marley song ...'"Who are
>> the real revolutionaries?'" Time will tell.
>>
>>
>>
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>> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Thu, Oct 18, 2012 4:52 am
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>> Valid points my Brother but I belief for Minister Janneh has learnt his
>> lessons. This has been my take all along. It is the so called
>> intellectual class that fuels the Tyrant and still continues to do so.
>> When ever his satanic mind goes against them they cry out to us for
>> help after betraying their country for positions.
>> I hope Dr. Janneh would personally call Nyancho Fatou and apologise to
>> her for failing Journalists during his tenure as information minister
>> and the to the entire media fratanity for thanks to us he is where he
>> should be today that is a free man fighting for freedom if others.
>> Gambians are very forgiving people you see no one attached our great
>> Dr. during his arrest, incarnation. But now that we have all won, it is
>> important he realise that he too failed just like others amongst us.
>> They are forgiven but they must also do the honourable thing to
>> apologise to Gambians. I do not mean those who stole from us now
>> pretending nothing has happened? No those must be screened first.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 01:31, "Joe Joe" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Che, Saikou misspoke or bought into the propaganda as to how Amadou
>> ended up in The Gambia and later Mile 2. He skipped over how Amadou
>> ended in Banjul to help spread a lie of "Service to Nation". No, the
>> trail of how Amadou ended up in Gambia is not going to be re-written by
>> anyone. Literally thousands are life witnesses on this and other distro
>> when Amadou who hopped from state to state telling anyone who wanted to
>> listen the Badness in Babili, only to wake up one morning to sell his
>> soul to the Devil to announce that he had decided to join Yaya Jammeh
>> for the development and progress he was doing in the Gambia. By that
>> time, the Students and Mr. Barrow were gun down; Koro Ceesay Roasted;
>> many murederd in jail; hundreds dissapeared; countless fired, tortured,
>> and in all kinds of dungeons, etc, etc. Amadou sold his soul to Yaya
>> because of NO SERVICE to NATION, but GREED. While in Gambia, Fatou Jaw
>> Manneh was arrested and languished in that country, did SOS Amadou
>> Janneh consider her plight? No, he was busy socializing with the
>> Butcher while his fellow Gambians were traumatized in their
>> hundreds. Also as SOS for Communication or Information, he was there
>> when the attacks of journalists were the most severe and he did
>> zilch. So, what is this nonsense that is being peddled that Amadou went
>> to give back to his country?
>>
>> Like many a turncoat in our midst that were in fellowship with the
>> Butcher, Amadou is not going to come in our midst without apoligizing
>> to Gambians and telling us what went down during his tennure with the
>> Devil and the role he played. I know hypocrisy gets the better of the
>> New Gambian, but does it not concern you what Amadou the Pipe Piper
>> voluntered in terms of information about Diasporans before he was
>> accepted in the midst of the Devil? How the hell is the real struggle
>> just starting for a known turncoat? Amadou is no one's leader and he
>> should not be heard from much more seen. Yes, he is a Gambian with all
>> rights to citizenship, but that right stops where mine begin and Amadou
>> is being served a notice. If you are going to parade around as the
>> Gambian Ghandi or Dr. King, you will be confronted in public and you
>> can take that in the bank. After what you did to Gambians and in the
>> midst of what is going on in the Gambia, if you are going to start
>> speaking on behalf of any gambian, you better start with where you left
>> off with us - when you became a turncoat.
>>
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 15:31:29 -0400
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>> GOOD READ
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