Demba. 
Noted. But Yero called me more offensive names than that, viz. Criminal mind, a mutineers,  etc. You and your friends seem to forget that. Calling DA sincere, was spot on too, no regrets there. If you want to hold brief foe him, do tell him to be sincere and if PDOIS is vague, he should point out how and not play down UDP NRP fracas. 
Kejau


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-------- Original message --------
From: Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> 
Date:  
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Subject: Re: [G_L] Yero and Giussepe / Re: [G_L] Appreciation from Imam Baba Leigh 
 
Kajau,

Just so you know.. the word machido (pronounce Machudo) is very offensive in the fula language and our overall Gambian culture... It is very sensitive and should not be traded publicly... Between the two of you may be you can call him that and he can understand from one on one traditional jokes.... but please be sensitive that you are trading on a public forum and not everything is acceptable to everyone... 

A great disadvantage of communication you may have is reacting on your mobile device without thinking through what you are writing or reacting to... thus I would heed to LJD's advice in the mode or style of communication... it doesn't reflect your maturity and professionalism that you parade here....

A good example is you calling DA Jawo's article "insincere to PDOIS" May be you needed to reflect a little more about DA Jawo and PDOIS before you opine that... Just a point of observation...

Thanks

Demba




On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 2:33 AM, kejau <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Haruna. 
You seem to forget that military is both discipline up and down the hierarchy,  thosr you and those who command you. 
Also you chose to forget Yero's utterances and not mine. I call him machido for he is fula and am half kabunka. The castration issue came because he kept talking about his balls, so maybe inappropriate. Thirdly I agree to issues not necessarily with people so if the person thinks i went too far that's the reason. 
Kejau


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Subject: Re: [G_L] Yero and Giussepe / Re: [G_L] Appreciation from Imam Baba Leigh 


Brother Kejau,

Without addressing actual events here, even those you associate me with, might I make a suggestion or two. In jest.

I read your notes in response to JDAM and these below stood out for me:
You see, I spent over 10 years working and training others and myself as a complaint and discipline and then a military police commander, I was chosen very young because I think differently, boldly and without fear or favour not because of A Level law only. Those are not traits I can discard here because of two fracas. I may come across as annoying and downright arrogant and a smart ass, but that is me. The only changes I can effect are ignoring personal attacks and insults, but I cannot change who I am. When truth is on your side and I will say so and if I feel you are wrong, no matter how annoying or rude I come across, I will say so, that is who I am. That is the reason I got the best in leadership in the military academy and served more than any other person as the disciplinary corp commander in the history of our armed forces, loved and hated fiercely, but respected! The troops I led, though love and respect me, even today, because of the aforementioned traits. 
I thank you for your concerned, but these personal attacks and insults cannot silence me, it will take more than that, say, delisting me! I owe it to more country first and always, and then the troops I led, and then my own welfare and the welfare of my family, always and forever! That is an oath I took on commission and I live by daily!

Thanks, 

Kejau 

Your acumen and proficiency in the military is admirable and commendable. One possible problem I see is that you were so good in the military and commanding of troupes that when you came to Ellen (a far cry from the strictures of military command), your military instincts followed you here. Where that may become problematic is that where your troupes held you very high esteem and followed your commands, and they dared not retort to you at the risk of burdensome discipline, at Ellen, each one of the troupes feels like a Kejau. In effect you are dealing with EQUALS here, whether deservedly or not, because none wants to feel like your underling. So where you have equally-excellent community members, threats of discipline, gratuitous litigation, reprisal, etcetera, or even the appearance of arrogance, are more likely to escalate into fracas or fights. It is then that your great attributes and acumen should kick in to reconnoitre or even refine your communication.

I have seen, and have cringed, even when you meant no harm, your literature or words conveyed insolence and condescension. I actually sat here and one day and was reading where you were in agreement with someone on a point, but like Romney, you used so inelegant a language that the other person did not even appreciate your agreement with them on the point proper. As the conversation went on, I saw it deteriorate into an unnecessary conflict. I think that is what JDAM is alluding to. In other words, you have so many good qualities and attributes, all well-earned, the atmospherics of command and control seems to always seep in. I understand you cannot change your person or personality. None of us can. However, each of us can calibrate how we communicate with each other, particularly when all of us think we are chiefs and none is a subject of anyone.

I admire Olfactor's independence in thought. And unlike you, Olfactor is not given to provoking conflict. He has, over the years, refined his communication not because he is intimidated by anyone, but because sometimes, even we are on the right, needless conflict from mere miscommunication, is terribly inutile and a waste of energy. This is the reason why JDAM does not find much reason to advise restraint for him, nor Giussepe.

What you're calling Yero bringing up the irrelevant, is actually disdainful regurgitation of your frailties. And the reason why Yero is forced to bring them up now is because you have said things like "castrate him" "Machido". I mean even I had to gasp for breath when at a time when the skirmish was taking on a more benign turn thanks to Sariang and Cous Fakoo Fakoo, you began to hurl these invectives. I could not understand. Did you not see how Giussepe came in stealthily and withdrew after he made his point??? I was so happy with him, if I didn't have religion I'd throw the cat a kiss. That is what we are speaking of.

As far as your anxieties about JDAM coming to take sides, I think that should have been your least worry. The reason I say this is because there were a lot of people who could have intervened on your side, but for the inartful language you use, AND at the wrong friggin time. It would not help intervening either NEUTRALLY (There is no such thing), or on your side, against a self-deprecating Yero. Trust me. If you feel this way about JDAM's innocuous intervention, you would have really been pissed at my more invective intervention. Please do not take this the wrong way. All I am saying is that you have the intellect and capacity to change the fortunes of many of the conversations you have engaged in, but for Astigmata's duress, you succeeded in going off the cliff. On the other side. Just a little adjustment is all it would take. You can still remain independent or fiercely partisan like Olfactor. Giussepe just doesn't know whether he should be a PDOISard anymore or whether to apply for membership in UDP. I'm working on him. 

Thanks Kejau.

Haruna. I just want you to know none of what you said about me and spats I was associated with, is true. But don't worry about that cos I don't wanna re-litigate those inutile arguments. The effect of intervening time and events is PROFOUND. Later men.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]>
To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Mon, May 27, 2013 4:05 pm
Subject: Re: [G_L] Yero and Giussepe / Re: [G_L] Appreciation from Imam Baba Leigh

Lamin, 

I am seriously disturbed by the way you arrived at your conclusion about this particular fracas! Honestly, even Haruna gave a better reasoning, even if flawed and incompleted. I am sure your siding with Yero has definitely made me look at you in a very different light and it will take a while before I can change that. 
You are the one who publicly cautioned me to avoid Haruna, since my posting seem to always fall on his bad side. Haruna's objective evidence was incomplete and glaringly biased, but yours is worst, trust me, that was my job. Good folks here wrote to me in private, telling me to cool it then and this unprovoked attack on my person that you seem to ignore and even encourage says a lot about you than you can ever imagine, in the eye of right thinking people here. You arrived at conclusions that Yero  was acting funny and unpeculiar and went on to try to convince folks here that he was not a tribalist, yet it was he who went on a rampage and digging up writes up that are very old. That suggested he was deeply disturbed by those writings that he brought them up in desperation and definitely guilty of them. I was just justifying why they were disturbing him still. You were more like a counsellor than a jurist and that is what is disappointing and disturbing. 
There was no such serious incident than we witness here daily between Mboge, Demba and Yero, yet you chose to ignore those incident. I challenge you to mention any other issues that I was involved in apart from these two, except with Haruna trying to annoy me and failing woefully. 
I threaten your charge Yero, Abdou Karim and Bajinka with legal action for defamation and it is my prerogative and good given right, that no one can take away and it worked as they desisted and whether I have serious capacity is left to be seen especially if it had continued. Of course I have examined my mode and will stay out of controversial issues like the Raleigh and Pa Nderry issue and be as submissive and conventional as you want, if only I can. You see, I spent over 10 years working and training others and myself as a complaint and discipline and then a military police commander, I was chosen very young because I think differently, boldly and without fear or favour not because of A Level law only. Those are not traits I can discard here because of two fracas. I may come across as annoying and downright arrogant and a smart ass, but that is me. The only changes I can effect are ignoring personal attacks and insults, but I cannot change who I am. When truth is on your side and I will say so and if I feel you are wrong, no matter how annoying or rude I come across, I will say so, that is who I am. That is the reason I got the best in leadership in the military academy and served more than any other person as the disciplinary corp commander in the history of our armed forces, loved and hated fiercely, but respected! The troops I led, though love and respect me, even today, because of the aforementioned traits. 
I thank you for your concerned, but these personal attacks and insults cannot silence me, it will take more than that, say, delisting me! I owe it to more country first and always, and then the troops I led, and then my own welfare and the welfare of my family, always and forever! That is an oath I took on commission and I live by daily!

Thanks, 

Kejau 

Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 20:03:46 +0100
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Subject: Re: [G_L] Yero and Giussepe / Re: [G_L] Appreciation from Imam Baba Leigh
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Kejau

Of course I respect you, and please understand I did not come to such an intervention easily. Your recent spat with Daffeh is too fresh in my mind, and the only reason I stayed an intervention in that ugly fracas was because Haruna stepped in and set the record straight. Although you protested profusely, the objective evidence clearly supported Haruna's position that you provoked Daffeh. 

There were other serious incidents, and in none of those could I remotely say you were right. 
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