Sorry Demba, I didn't address your very important point where does it all end?
1. It takes more than mere displeasure to muster 500,000 of your fellow citizens to leave their food burning on the stove and follow you through Maidan el Tahrir. AND stay there with you, with no promise of food, water, or relief of your anxieties to overturn elections.
2. You will agree with me that Morsi had over half a year to reconnoitre for sobriety.
3. This latest is the second ultimatum that Misera's military and security forces had issued to the Morsi government.
4. Misera's military and security forces are there for all Misera.
5. The Chief Justice is in charge of a caretaker government and the journey toward proper government formation.
Having said all this, the reason why elections are such a miniscule but important part of democratic life is because elections can be rigged, citizens can be disenfranchised of vote, ethnic, tribal, and religious discrimination can dispossess some of your fellows of the right to vote, votes can be bought, coerced, and outright stolen. Plus ballots can be inaccessible to a good number of your fellows simply by reason of insufficient voting precincts or precincts deliberately in remote areas with no significant populations.
Thank you again Demba.
Haruna.
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From: Haruna <[log in to unmask]>
To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wed, Jul 3, 2013 5:36 pm
Subject: Re: Egypt tense as army deadline looms
Cousin Demba,
Elections are a mechanism in democratic life where the stakeholders choose their leaders. The dawn and dusk of elections presupposes a democratic dispensation. After you win elections for leadership of a nation, democracy just begins for you. You are free to choose your cabinet and you are accorded great discretion in choosing them. You are not however free to govern in occult and dictatorship once you win democratic elections for leadership.
Democracy has nothing to do with calendar of elections nor the quality of elections.
Thanks for the opportunity to share some ideas.
Haruna.
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From: Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]>
To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:39 pm
Subject: Re: Egypt tense as army deadline looms
True Malamin, but there is a process through which this can be addressed. It is call a democratic process and elections. If they are not happy with Morsi they can vote him out the next time around.. Where does it end is my question? If you elect another leader and quarter of the country is not happy, do you topple them as well? Where does it end? Citizens can engage in activism but violence is intolerable and could be detrimental and turn the country into bloodshed... So they accepted a military council after Mubarak, they will topple morsi and accept another military dictatorship... Am just concern really?
Demba
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Malamin Barrow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Demba, an unfortunate situation in Egypt, but it would be wrong to describe the protesters in Tahrir square as "they were born and brought up under dictatorship so all they know is force and others imposing on them". The majority of these protesters are young educated Muslims who want to practice their religion, and still enjoy their civic and secular rights.
Now here comes a democratically elected leader who turns against the first principles of democracy, consensus. He seems to subscribe to the unacceptable notion, which translates democracy as winner takes all. The people in Tahrir square don't want to transition from a military dictatorship to a religious dictatorship.
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From: "Demba Baldeh" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 1:12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [G_L] Egypt tense as army deadline looms
And the protesters would rather accept a military takeover than a civilian rule??? something is wrong with that picture! But then what to expect... most of those protesters don't know any better... they were born and brought up under dictatorship so all they know is force and others imposing on them....Sidi Jatta was right when he said "the so called Arab spring is yet to be a revolution" interview with Gainako.
Watching developments closely..
Thanks
Demba
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Husainou < [log in to unmask] > wrote:
All of you made excellent assessment of the current crisis in Egypt . The departure of Mubarak created a power vacuum this is what happens after dictator is dethrone . The notion that Egypt will fully democratic within two years is jejune . Looks like military coupe
Hou
On Jul 3, 2013, at 9:13 AM, Malanding Jaiteh < [log in to unmask] > wrote:
The second coming of Mubarak? Chei!
Malanding
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On Jul 3, 2013, at 5:59 AM, Husainou < [log in to unmask] > wrote:
playMohammed Morsi
Tensions are high in Egypt as an army ultimatum for President Mohammed Morsi to resolve deadly unrest approaches.
Clashes broke out at rival protests across the country overnight, with at least 16 pro-Morsi protesters killed at a demonstration at Cairo University.
The army has said it will shed its blood to defend Egypt against "any terrorist, radical or fool".
Mr Morsi insists he is the legitimate leader and will not give in to "violence and thuggery" by resigning.
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In a defiant televised speech on Tuesday evening, he too said he would give his life to defend constitutional legitimacy, and blamed the unrest on corruption and remnants of the ousted regime of Hosni Mubarak.
Calling for protesters to respect the rule of law, he urged the establishment of a committee of reconciliation as well as a charter of ethics for the media, and said he was prepared to meet all groups and individuals as part of a national dialogue process.
'Terrorists and fools'
The army has given a deadline of around 16:30 local time (14:30 GMT) on Wednesday for the crisis to be dealt with.
In a statement posted on its Facebook page after Mr Morsi's speech was broadcast - under the title, "Final Hours" - it said: "We swear to God that we will sacrifice even our blood for Egypt and its people, to defend them against any terrorist, radical or fool."
Media reports say the army's plan includes the outline for new presidential elections, the suspension of the new constitution and the dissolution of parliament.
However one military source told Reuters those reports were not true, and that the deadline would mark the beginning of talks about what should be done next.
On Tuesday, Mr Morsi met the head of the armed forces, Gen Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, for a second consecutive day. No details of the talks, which also included Prime Minister Hisham Qandil, were released.
Military sources earlier told the BBC the president's position was becoming "weaker" with every passing minute and suggested that, under the draft plan, he could be replaced by a council of cross-party civilians and technocrats ahead of new elections.
The president was put under further pressure by the resignation of six ministers from his government on Monday, including Foreign Minister Kamel Amr.
Mr Morsi became Egypt's first Islamist president on 30 June 2012, after winning an election considered free and fair following the 2011 revolution that toppled Mubarak.
But anger has been growing against him and the Muslim Brotherhood - the party from which he comes. Protesters are angry at the lack of development in post-revolution Egypt - they accuse the Brotherhood of trying to protect its own interests and of pushing an Islamist agenda.
"This is a president threatening his own people. We don't consider him the president of Egypt," said Mohammed Abdelaziz, a leader of the Tamarod (Rebel) campaign, a rapidly growing anti-Morsi opposition movement.
However, Mr Morsi and the Brotherhood still have significant public support, and both sides have drawn huge numbers to rallies in recent days.
Thousands gathered in Tahrir Square in central Cairo on Tuesday afternoon to demand Mr Morsi step down. There were outbreaks of violence in several parts of the capital, with casualties reported at hospitals in the north, south and centre of Cairo.
In the largest unrest, at least 16 people were killed and about 200 wounded at Cairo University in Giza. Eyewitness Mostafa Abdelnasser told AFP that Morsi supporters had come under attack from unidentified men carrying firearms.
Clashes were also reported in Alexandria, Egypt's second city, on Tuesday.
Crowds began gathering in Tahrir Square again on Wednesday morning, with numbers expected to rise throughout the day.
On Monday, eight people died as activists stormed and ransacked the Muslim Brotherhood's Cairo headquarters.
In the wake of the latest unrest, the UK Foreign Office has changed its travel advice for Egypt recommending against all but essential travel to the country except for resorts on the Red Sea in South Sinai and in the Red Sea governorate.
The instability has also hit global oil prices, sending US light crude above $100 a barrel for the first time since September last year, amid concerns supply routes through the Suez Canal could be affected.
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