Haruna, UDP has been loosing against APRC, and November will be worse
On May 1, 2011 6:54 PM, "Haruna Darbo" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Father Mose,
>
> PDOIS lost the Wulli East By-election when pitted solo against the APRC.
>
> Haruna.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Musa Jeng <[log in to unmask]>
> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sun, May 1, 2011 10:50 am
> Subject: Re: [>-<] Re: Unofficial results of the Bye-elections leaked!!!
>
>
>
> You listen my good friend, if you think you guys have a monopoly on
deciding who is significant or relevant about the future of our country, you
are really full of yourself. STGDP is well aware of what your party is all
about, without a doubt there are people in your party that we have
trememdous amount of respect, but please go ahead and sever relationbship
with us. Let me tell you, STGDP folks have long given up on you guys, it is
tjhe Musa Jengs of the world who naiively believed that maybe will
eventually come to your senses. Gambia belongs to all of us, and it is going
to take the particiaption of all dedicated Gambians to save our country.
>
> Thank you
>
> Musa Jeng
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "UDP United Kingdom" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2011 5:53:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [>-<] Re: Unofficial results of the Bye-elections leaked!!!
>
>
>
> I think Musa Jeng has vindicated my position on STGDP here. I have always
maintained to the UDP that this group is a bunch of dishonest and insincere
incompetents who no serious political party should look up to in
facilitating a coalition with other political parties.
>
> This guy [Musa Jeng] was on the conference call when Karamba Touray was
crying for help from the STGDP to help bring Halifa Sallah and his pdois
party to the table so that they can sit down with the UDP representatives
[ousainu included] and iron-out their differences. He also posited to the
group that there is a UDP proposal on the table containing overtures and
concessions for pdois and that it was only a matter of having pdois at the
table for the process to begin. This was after Alhagi Ousainu Darboe tried
several times to talk to Halifa Sallah in person but without success- halifa
maintained and very crudely that he doesn't want to talk to ousainu. They
[Stgdp] too tried their best to talk to halifa and get him at the table but
he [halifa] was running away from them prompting the same Musa JENG to say
that Ousainu Darboe should be commended since he is the only one who always
picks his phone anytime the stgdp calls.
>
> We [Karamba and I] also informed them about the talks the udp had with the
other parties [PPP, NRP and GMC] at the initiation of the UDP. It was
ousainu who single handily worked out and led those talks after been given a
mandate by the UDP. It was the same Ousainu Darboe who drove from his
residence in Pipeline to meet Hon. Sidia Jatta at Last Bundung for talks as
part of his overtures to pdois- this was after halifa explicitly stated that
he does not want to talk to ousainu- only for halifa sallah to arrogantly
turn around to say sidia doesn't represent them.
>
> Given these facts, I wonder how on earth any reasonable person can
conclude that ousainu is not prepared to sit with other leaders and make
serious overtures. I know Musa Jeng is a very reasonable guy; he is just
happened to be very dishonest and insincere on this issue.
>
> The udp dont' care what goes on in NADD as we are not and will never be
part of that organisation. Therefore, it will be helpful if Musa jeng can
save us from his NADD eulogy.
>
> As far as the UDP is concern, the nadd issue is an antiquated one that has
not only been rendered obsolete but also utterly meaningless to talk about
in this coalition debate.
>
> I will make a case to the UDP about the STGDP once again. The aim is to
have a severed relation between them and the UDP. The STGDP thinks they
mattered when in fact, they don’t.
>
>
> Kind Regards
> Daffeh
>
>
>
> On 1 May 2011 10:08, UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
> Hey joe, hold on to your farts for a seconds. The adults are having a
conversation. You are a rude kid and have no place here.
>
>
> Do us a favour, will you.
>
> DAFFEH
>
>
>
> On 1 May 2011 02:47, Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> I think UDP seem to have a serious internal problem. Here you have this
nut in Daffeh to show his stupidity below and at the same time Karamba is
talking with STGDP about a collaboration and specifically came to the STGDP
on behalf of the UDP, barely a week ago. Is Daffeh well? Karamba is not dead
and very alive to refute what I am stating. It appears the left hand does
not know what the right hand is doing, unless the UDP is engage in a scheme.
Yeah, we are a bunch of this and that, precisely because it has sunk in your
coconut head that we are not here to hold the bucket for anyone, including
the UDP. You tried your arrogant rudeness during our meetings and when you
were met half way, you receded. The gull in you! Come again with your stupid
Mansa mentality and speak like you were suffering from hemorrhoids and see
if you last a minute in our meetings. Since you are on the offensive, I am
here to tell yourself, UDP, and Ousainou to go to hell. No one is interested
in coaxing you bunch, the reason why you pop up here to seek relevance. Next
time anyone one of you come to the STGDP to discuss anything I will register
some choice words for them when I take the floor. Is this the kind of party
that Gambians think are going to liberate them? Gambians left you bunch
alone to go on with your business as you see fit, only to see that you have
no business of your own after all but keep on showing up here with all kinds
of nonsense. You said you bunch are all over Gambia and hundreds of Gambians
are leaving the APRC daily to your side, what happened to managing that
farce? Why does starch-heads like Daffeh come here to start unnecessary shit
when they could not even fund a twenty-bus caravan? No, you do not have any
strategy to show for. After sixteen years with Yaya UDP cannot articulate a
single platform that make sense aside from saying they are the biggest
party, which is a double-edged sword in itself, for that same majority you
claim is almost homogeneous on tribal basis whether intended or not. What
sort of laziness is that? Boy please do not get me started. I had promised
myself to let the parties do as they wish and not interfere with their
campaign, but not if Daffeh comes here to monkey around when he should not
be heard from in the first place, as disgusted as Gambians are in the way
opposition politics is aligned in the Gambia. My conscience is clear. If UDP
does not mind to release the poodle in Daffeh to be a nuisance I do not have
a problem to deal with both Daffeh and the UDP. Who gives a rat ass how
anyone of the parties is bending over any more? They keep regurgitating the
same shit over and over again, who has been telling this bunch that Gambians
are listening to anything they have to say any more? If Gambians think that
Sana Sabally was a lunatic when he had power, try this arrogant shrub.
Daffeh, you are best served to keep your BS within your group in the UK. You
bring that shit out here I will also tell you the predictions my grandfather
had for me. You may think your shit don't stink in the UK, but make no
mistake to try to spread that over here. Someone has been fooling you that
you are all that and a bag of doritos. Keep ya shit to yourself!
>
>
> Joe
>
>
> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 23:32:45 +0100
> From: [log in to unmask]
>
>
> Subject: Re: [>-<] Re: Unofficial results of the Bye-elections leaked!!!
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>
> ''Again, the recent forum on Freedom where invitations were made to all
the leaders, again these two individuals were nowhere to be found. There is
a pattern, and people are not stupid to see right through these gimmicks''.
- Musa JENG
>
> Father Mose, there you go again displaying your disingenuousness once
again. You are aware of the fact that UDP extended a hand of friendship to
pdois and invited them for talks and they were rebuffed. So if pdois cannot
meet UDP at the table to talk out issues, why the hell will Ousainu share
the same panel with halifa on freedom? You must be dreaming. If halifa wants
a squabble, let him come to the table and meet ousainu there. He will have
plenty of it.
>
> Ousainu is not going to negotiate a coalition with anybody in the media.
It has to be behind closed doors, and if STGDP doesn't like that; well you
can go to hell.
>
> As far as we are concern, STGDP is a bunch of incompetents that is not
worth engaging. No wonder no one is taking notice of you. And by the way,
who are you to dictate terms to the UDP or Ousainu? UDP is a sovereign party
and it is not obliged to do things on your terms especially if they are that
disingenuous as they currently are.
>
> Cheers
> DAFFEH
>
> On 30 April 2011 21:30, Seedou Bajinka <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> UDP and it's supporters there we go.....in Gambia no one is going to
challenge the UDP party's idealogy and stand on issues but we can challenge
H/E PRES JAMMEH'S.Oh! well good luck with your dictatorial approach to
people's desire for a more democratic society.May be a 2016 will be a better
time for a coalition......APRC already won this forth coming election.Come
and join the party for progress and stability APRC.
> SLB
>
>
> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 14:27:12 -0500
> From: [log in to unmask]
>
>
> Subject: Re: [>-<] Re: Unofficial results of the Bye-elections leaked!!!
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Kejau, Daffeh bit more than he can chew with his assignment. His craziness
shows more about the UDP though. He writes on behalf of the UDP and they are
in support of his stupidity. Thus, the UDP must be prepared for a volley in
their court and not even the kitchen sink will be spared in the process. At
some point, one cannot continue to ignore nuisance. Daffeh and the UDP can
go to friggin HELL and see if folks care. Nothing, but a bunch of
underachievers. These people are not interested in change for Gambia, but
for themselves and they do not even hide it. You have not gotten power and
you act like this, what are you going to do when you get real power? The
sorry part is they act like lambs and can't do jack as Yaya plucks them at
will to show Gambians that these bunch are not a threat to his abuse. Folks
know my views regarding the opposition in the Gambia as a whole. If the UDP
would not mind setting Daffeh on Gambians, then I am one Gambian that will
meet this pretender on all fours and can do elbows if it got to that. Enough
of this nonsense! If Daffeh and UDP want to draw folks into a brawl, then
all will be game. So, let Daffeh continue with his silliness.
>
>
> Joe
>
>
> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 16:59:46 +0100
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [>-<] Re: Unofficial results of the Bye-elections leaked!!!
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>
> Sad, really sad. Daffeh calling everyone inadequate when you question
UDP's stance. Much like fankung.
>
> Sent from Kejau's iPhone
>
> On 30 Apr 2011, at 10:53, UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Like I said before, coalitions are not negotiated in the media but behind
closed doors. There is a reason why the GMC came out with a statement of
intent and one of it is because they have been engaged by the udp. OJ too
will not certainly say he was not engaged by the udp nor will Hamat. These
are the people/parties who willingly met us at the table. PDOIS on the other
hand, crudely refused to do so and therefore, no proposal either verbal or
written will be extended to them unless they agreed to meet the UDP at the
table.
>
> I am not going to respond to Demba Baldeh as he is a clueless attention
seeker.
>
> Pa samba, I have realised the need for a coalition with or without pdois
since day one. When I first joined STGDP conference calls, this is the first
thing I said. Musa Jeng very reluctantly gave a qualified support to the
idea while that naive Banka manneh and the hysteric Joe sambou were like
what?
>
> I repeat once again, the udp will not put any proposal in the media to
feed anybody's obsession. Our proposal will only be presented to parties who
agree to meet us at the table, period. This is how coalitions are negotiated
and it is the route we followed with the other parties i.e. PPP, GMC and
NRP. I wonder why pdois should be given a different treatment.
>
> UDP is very much aware of the fact that the other opposition parties and
leaders are not baskets that we can put on our head and carry along. They
have to be willing to come alone with us and if they choose not to, well
there is nothing we can do about that.
>
> I am not aware of any concession demand from OJ’s P.P.P that is not met by
the UDP neither did I hear any declaration of intent by PDOIS, to be part of
a UDP led alliance with conditions attached.
>
> PDOIS is much about their Ayatollah’s Agenda 1444 and the gratification of
his persona than anything else.
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
> Daffeh
>
>
>
> On 30 April 2011 10:17, Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Musa
>
> It is unbecoming of you to allege that Daffeh is in the "payroll of
Jammeh". I am worried because I heard a similar sentiment on Freedom Radio
by one Alhajie, one of Mr Mbai's regular pundits on Gambian affairs. He
claimed, no swore, that Ousainou Darboe is in the pay of the Professor
>
> Daffeh may hold views opposite to yours, but calling him "clueless" is not
persuasive at all, and alleging he works for the Professor exposes you more
than him.
>
> You have a record to protect, and I suggest you do so objectively. You
should not see yourself as under any compulsion to respond to Daffeh.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> LJDarbo
>
> --- On Sat, 30/4/11, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
> From: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>
> Subject: Re: [>-<] Re: Unofficial results of the Bye-elections leaked!!!
>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Saturday, 30 April, 2011, 1:17
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Oh Lord! there he goes again, the Man really needs help. These are the
kind of rhetoric and people who are the very stubmling bloc to bring an end
to tyranny; it is not farfetched to entertain that people like him are in
the payroll of Jammeh, or they are just clueless.
>
> Thanks
> Musa Jeng
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "UDP United Kingdom" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 5:59:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [>-<] Re: Unofficial results of the Bye-elections leaked!!!
>
>
> It is high time that we acknowledge that fact that due to Halifa Sallah's
arrogance and intransigence, a coalition of all opposition parties to
confront Jammeh in 2011 is not possible to achieve. The focus should
therefore shift to building a coalition of the willing instead.
>
> The irrational opposition bashing that has become the hallmark of forum
discussions is only playing in the hands of jammeh and giving him a
political boost that he doesn't deserve.
>
> Thanks
> Daffeh
>
>
> On 29 April 2011 22:47, UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
> Kejaw, here is what I don't get, why does a coalition have to have PDOIS
and UDP before it matters? Why couldn't the UDP bring everybody else on
board, get on the road campaign seriously with PPP, NRP,and GMC and show the
world they have everybody else but PDOIS and see how much pressure will be
on PDOIS. Why wait for a skeptical partner to start working with everybody
else.
> Why does UDP think everybody else will rally around them when Amat and GMC
are going about doing their own thing? Forget about PDOIS after all people
don't many think they only control 3% of the electorate!!! What is the hold
up???? - Demba
>
>
> This is exactly what we intend to do. None of the other parties were
dismissive of us in our discussions with them and I hope they will come
along with us down this route. PEOPLE should be inclined to support a
coalition with or without PDOIS and move on with the progressive agenda of
nation building. This what the UDP UK has always advocated for but much to
the annoyance of some particularly in the STGDP camp. So clearly, this is
demba baldeh preaching to the choir.
>
> thanks
> Daffeh
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 29 April 2011 22:17, <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Demba
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
>
> From: UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]>
>
> Sender: [log in to unmask]
>
> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 19:20:44 +0100
>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> ReplyTo: [log in to unmask]
>
> Subject: Re: [>-<] Re: Unofficial results of the Bye-elections leaked!!!
>
>
>
>
>
> 'UDP should have supported the opposition candidate and ask for for the
coalition leadership in return. But another missed opportunity gone. I hope
the opposition leadership learn the bitter lesson of defeat.' kejau
>
> I agree and there was inclination to do exactly that. However, you will
agree with me that such a move must have to be worked out and coordinated
with PDOIS/NADD fiirst. Unfortunately, they have persistently refused to
talk to the UDP despite been chased on almost all lines of communications.
So how can the UDP make concessions to people who keep telling us we don't
wanna hear you; go talk to the electorates. Well, we will talk to the
electorates and but it will be about selling our manifesto to them.
>
> Kejau, you have deliberately chosen to ignore the facts. You are merely
engaged in essay writing. You better ask Musa Jeng; he was aware of the
efforts UDP had made to extend a concession to PDOIS as was stated by [not
in detail] Karamba Touray in STGDP organised conference call. Even today, if
pdois accept udp's offer of talks, they will be engaged and concessions
given. That is for sure. I say it because I know it. People should stop
making sweeping statements and try to dig into the facts start. UDP's offer
of talks is still on the table and it is up to PDOIS to accept it. We cannot
force them to do so.
>
> I am aware that the expectation of certain people here is for UDP to throw
out something in the media to feed the academic obsession of a certain few
who will in turn engender an irrational squabble over it. Well, that is not
going to happen. Coalitions are not negotiated in the media but behind close
doors- I have sure you you do remember UK's coalition negotiations. It was
done in the Cabinet office and behind close doors. It was only after a final
settlement was reached that a joint statement was put out in the media- and
that is the convention the UDP will follow. However, if there is to be any
coalition negotiation involving Pdois and UDP, our party will be more that
happy to put out a statement at the end of that process regardless of its
outcome, whether positive or negative.
>
> In my view, there was no miss opportunity in the Wuli east bye-election.
It is just a question of a well determined PDOIS to perpetuate a fait
accompli.
>
> Thanks
> Daffeh
>
>
> On 29 April 2011 15:52, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
> It's got to be the voter turnout. Without the coalition the voters will
boycott again. So get your acts together and form a coalition otherwise it
will be another apathy. Merely talking to the other parties may not be
enough, instead make concessions and give assurances. UDP should have
supported the opposition candidate and ask for for the coalition leadership
in return. But another missed opportunity gone. I hope the opposition
leadership learn the bitter lesson of defeat.
>
> Sent from Kejau's iPhone
>
>
>
> On 29 Apr 2011, at 15:34, Sanusi Owens <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>
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>
> Suntou
>
> I have to commend you for your honest appraisal of the situation. Defeat
at Wuli was a defeat for all stakeholders within the Opposition. We
therefore need to sit down and study the situation as to how we can avoid a
much awaited embarassment on 24 November 2011.
>
> The figures shown last night is warning call for all us to think again and
explore to the maximum the prospects of having a United Opposition against
APRC.
>
> Good weekend
>
> Sanusi
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 29/4/11, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
> From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: [>-<] Re: Unofficial results of the Bye-elections leaked!!!
> To: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask]
> Date: Friday, 29 April, 2011, 15:14
>
>
> This is a disappointing news for our area people. Wulli East area has
always gone for the incumbent party, since the times of Sainey Singhateh,
Malang Saho etc. Wulli West is the more determine and militant region of the
two. Suwaibou is well known in that area, I wonder what he should do to
penetrate the elders and their local structures. I am sad for him, because
he would have been a good MP.
> I wonder whether his campaign team made use of the more active militants
in Nyaikoi area. The signs were there that, going for the incumbent is a
harden mole in Wulli East, I thought the Agenda 2011 would have dislodged
such mindsets. Seriously, I was expecting a narrow marginal win for
Suwaibou, but hey next time. I wish him all the best for the upcoming
general elections.
> Suntou
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 11:13 PM, M. Gassama <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Hi!
> The results have just been announced on GRTS confirming Gainako's
> figures. Have a good evening.
> Buharry.
>
> ----Original Message----
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Date: 2011-04-28 23:52
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Subj: Unofficial results of the Bye-elections leaked!!!
>
> Unofficial results of the bye-elections in Wuli East has been
> leaked!
>
> Results at: http://www.gainako.com/news/
> Thanks
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