Brother Yero,
I appreciate your compass in change management and I encourage JDAM to consider your views through that prism. I rather fault parallax for the apparent divergence between the two of you. As you have indicated in your notes, it is evident that the two of you are squarely on the same side when it comes to your common enemy Yahya. What may be a problem is the definition of "Turncoat".
What JDAM et al are saying is that the "turncoat" in Gambia affairs is one who, for economic gain, expediency, self-preservation, or other personal reason, joins your oppressor. And while he/she is with the oppressor, oppressing you or covering the oppressions of the oppressor, continues to solicit your understanding and to curry your favor, for when he falls out of favor with the lunatic oppressor. For he/she knows, as Omar Ibn Hattab had always known from the history of his times, that a fallout with an unrepentant criminal is inevitable. And when he/she falls out with the avowed criminal, he/she worms his way back to your heart that he had prepared while with the criminal. So what you refer to as turncoat, JDAM, and myself, believe is a common criminal and opportunist.
In the annals of Revolution and battle (Omar Ibn Hattab), there are those innocent persons who get caught in the crossfire. And when they have the opportunity, they bear on the right side of the battle. Those people, who, under duress and forcible coercion seemed to be on the other side but when they have the minutest freedom, that you and your honorable men and women help to yield, they will come to the side of truth and justice. Those persons ought to be welcome and embraced, and protected, to never again fall victim or prey to the criminal. For JDAM, Olfactor, Giuseppe, and myself, these persons are NOT "Turncoats", but victims of the criminal.
Folk like Nana Grey, Uwaa, and a multitude others, who have the acumen and intellect, coupled with glaring historical record, who voulntarily join the criminal enterprise for their selfish reasons, and try to play both sides to maintain emolument, are TURNCOATS. Beware of parallax Ma Yero and Cous Demba. You will never win a revolutionary or even religious war with turncoats. They will undermine your treasure and frustrate your advances. So help me DaarManso.
Haruna. I do appreciate your inexhaustible hope in the time-value of circumspect. 10 years and counting Ma Yero.
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LJD,
Thanks for the brilliant lecture about Bush, hispredecessors, and American politics in general. I am not in any way taking awaysome of the credits he earned as a President. Certainly, black appointees weremore in his administration as you rightly mentioned, together with some of his“cool” ways of appealing to Americans. When Bush admitted to having smoked weeds in his younger days, that was it. (LOL). I am in no way saying that Bush was empty butI must tell you he was somewhat a problem in major things that certainly raisedred flags for a healthy democracy like America. Earlier on the day, I followed one of theformer Supreme Court Judges in the person of Sandra Day O’Connor who expressedregrets over the way that the 2000 Florida decision was finalized which sawGeorge W. Bush to power. (Star Tribune, 04/26/13). Personally, I am opposed tosome of these wars waged in the name of liberation and war against terror. Likeany other tax payer, I would have loved to see things directed to areas that benefithumanity, rather than create human suffering. This was a major contributor tojob loss and to somewhat crippling America’s great economy. While I fullybelieve in America’s models of democracy, some of the wars we fought could havebeen handled different. We’ve seen a great deal of mess, from human loss, to destructionof infrastructure, thus creating more enemies out there. This was spelt out clearlyby Obama during his first elections that brought him to power.
Regards to Gambia’s politics (Nana, Waa, etc), it is a total mess, and nothing could be more confusing.
I forone agree with you that our differences are more philosophical. I realized thefavorite word in town, ‘Turncoats.’ I sometimes get blown away how supposedlyfuture leaders of our country get so comfortable using the words ‘Turncoats’and ‘apologists’ on others who are on their side. We all are too familiar withthe Prophet Muhammad’s (PBUH) struggle to win the hearts of his one time foes.Omar (RA) was one that we know much about. I know that was religion and thisone is politics. The truth is we must be very careful in our battles forredemption. Let us go after the enemyand his combatants. Those that changed positions (turncoats) to our side mustbe welcomed to come and fight with us. Often times, people like to blow thingsout of proportion to the extent of insult. This has yielded us nothing but moredivision and giving more victory to the common enemy. I am openly saying thatwe must all change in attitude, from those that are too blinded to join rankswith Jammeh, to those that enjoy saying they never worked with Jammeh, to extent mount aggression on those constantly being termed here turncoats. The argument is weak to even label people as“lacking principle/standards” because of a person’s opinion that we must seekto unite than divide. It is not only unhealthy, it shows scary tendencies. Someof these misnomers are so unfitting and to our disadvantage, the victor is onlyJammeh. A liberator cannot be a bully.
In any way, the Gambia belongs to all of us. We all mustdecide what Gambia we want for our children and grandchildren. If we continueon some of the paths that I observed, I am truly afraid; we will be behind fora while. For any that beats the chest in boastfulness is not the one, and theone that divides is equally not the one.
Best regards & thanks for any expansion in advance. Your humbleness and ability to remain civil and calm at all times is admirable. For that, I say you are winning...and keep it even sharper!
Yero.
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 20:36:07 -0500
Fyi
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 20:31:08 -0500
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LJD, be rest assured of our highest regards despite our differences in opinion. I will attempt to stretch this a little further for you early tomorrow inshallah. Thanks as always for being constantly civil in all your debates. Best, Yero.
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 00:23:05 +0100
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YJ
Haruna deliberately misquoted George W
In terms of conduct in the international arena, only Jimmy Carter was better than him. As the preeminent imperial power since 1945, US foreign policy is tragic through and through. On the subject of foreign policy, W's rascalism was at par with that of Obama, Clinton, Bush Snr, Reagan, and stretching back to Eisenhower. As far as appointments, he was better than Obama and all the Democratic presidents since the structures of segregation began seriously crumbling in the Kennedy/Johnson era. He was the first President to allocate State, and National Security, to Black appointees. The Bushisms and American foreign policy misadventures notwithstanding, I always have a soft spot for George W. As far as foreign policy, I think even naturalized Americans like you are no different from your presidents. You equate war with your Hollywood movies, a tragic mindset by any account. Nevertheless, I am an Americophile, someone deeply in love with the land of freedom and endless marvels.
On Nana Grey-Johnson, I was somewhat baffled by your apparent stance. If I didn't know you better, I'd say your sympathy may be running thin for the "turncoats". I know that's not you, but I am unwilling to separate the Waa Juwaras and Grey-Johnsons from the historical cases, the class spanning the period 2000-2010. Why do you appear to separate them?
Demba's heart is in the right place and he is a dependable partner in the struggle against tyranny in The Gambia. He is not an apologist at all. Our differences over the "turncoats" are more philosophical, and I can't see my condemnation of blatant opportunism by those who ought to know better, and did know better, changing anytime soon.
LJDarbo
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Sent: Sunday, 28 April 2013, 21:11
Subject: Re: [G_L] Nana Grey-Johnson
Mawdo Demba,
Great Points. I equally share and respect all of your takes. That make these forums lively. Your take certainly doesn't make you an apologist. Your records during the course of Gambia's struggle speaks for itself. You have agreed to be in the line of fire at the expense of everything.
That aside, I think there are some lessons to learn from. From some of your points that I gathered, the most terrible dictators were crumbled from within, some reasonable even have to join to partially redirect certain things. That hasn't been the case at all in Gambia, and If LJD will permit me borrow his line, "A snow ball has more chance in hell."
The whole thing comes back to Haruna's line " Like President W said: You fool me once, you fool me twice, why you, you,..I mean, can't fool again. what? oh fool me once, can't fool me again."
Have a great weekend...
Best,
Yero
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 12:06:36 -0700
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LJD,
I am in agreement with all of you in principle and am definitely not embracing Grey Johnson taking a position with Jammeh. By now anyone who slightly bothers to know my stand will not associate me with being an apologist for those associated with Jammeh... I guess there is a side of me that continue to wish and yearn that citizens will stand up to Jammeh and point their fingers right in between his eyes and say not this time.. Is avoiding him and taking a leave as we all did the best way to fight and get rid of him, hmmm... I doubt it.. I think the more we choose to fight from a distant the more he can consolidate power and be more emboldened...
Dictators have historically survived because they alienate and send away anything that resembles a challenge... Well, I guess my dream of people who we once looked at as respectful standing up against Jammeh will never come true... My inspiration or dream if you may comes from the concept of the "nation school" where citizens' contributions can be separated from dictator's desire to be the nation and the state....This optimism in me never seems to go away!
Thanks always for the rejoinders
Demba
On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Baba Galleh Jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Indeed Lamin. Brother Grey Johnson will survive as long as he happily licks Jammeh's boots and agrees to be a robot. The moment he seems to be too much in the public eye or takes a single half-decision without a nod from above, he is gone. The threat of perpetual money worries could well be troubling and painful. But it is no excuse to sell one's soul to the devil; which is what anyone does who decides to court and accept a position from Baboon Mansa. It is not much of a danger to predict that like many before him, Mr. Grey Johnson will not long survive in his new post. Making such a prediction is not wishing him ill; it is merely a statement of fact or at the very least, very high probability based on empirical evidence. And yes, when he is eventually booted out, it would be impossible for him to reclaim the dignity he enjoyed among his peers before he joined the dictatorship. I like your metaphor of a snowball and its chances in hell.
Baba
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 23:27:53 +0100
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Well Mboge, we are not speculating here. As if Professor Jammeh was reading us on the "L" and "the Post" on the Trojan question around the "turncoats", he clearly stated that no one comes to his Cabinet to "manage" him. He specifically made this pointless statement during the EU 17-point crisis. I termed it "pointless" because I am in no doubt he stated the dominant reality in his political territory and any suggestion to the contrary is just plain fantasy. I won't buy any Trojan product even if priced at just a butut in that as long as it relates to the Professor's Cabinet terrain, it has to be fake. Like all the other "turncoats", Nana Grey-Johnson is there for Nana Grey-Johnson and he cannot improve the plight of the private media in The Gambia. I don't know about you, but I won't live in crocodile infested waters if that habitat is totally alien to my nature, i.e., if I do not have some crocodile characteristics myself. Anyone who joined the Professor's Cabinet after April 2000 must have closed his eyes to extremely blatant realities.
Below I illustrate!
In late October 1998, Baba Jobe (may the God of infinite mercy forgive him) called me at Banjul Magistrates Court on an administrative matter touching MansaKonko Magistrates Court. I was newly appointed Magistrate but retained my immediate past position as Senior Assistant Secretary in the Judiciary until a substantive replacement could be found. I was therefore the point-person for all non-critical administrative matters affecting the Judiciary. During the 15-20 minutes conversation, Baba informed me that anyone not supportive of President Jammeh cannot be in good terms with him. I don't know where this was coming from as I did not make any difficult decisions as of this time. Baba was at the height of his influence and he probably saw an opportunity to intimidate a new Magistrate.
Fast forward to 2004 when Baba was on trial for alleged economic crimes. Sensing the direction of the trial, Baba's lawyer filed a motion before the trial Court to say he was not confident of getting a fair trial and outcome. The absence of a fair trial was never a worry for Baba before 2004, but he must have known a thing or two about politically persecutions and closed his eyes to the tragedy inherent in that great travesty.
When did Baba know about unfair trials in politically motivated cases? In 2004, or well before the tragedy of his unlawful conviction and sentence, a conviction and sentence that was to ultimately end in his untimely death? I am not in the business of creating any excuses for the deliberately blind and deaf intellectuals situated like Nana Grey-Johnson. They can't even slightly shake the Professor's system and I am always amused to hear this utter fantasy thrown around.
LJDarbo
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' ...but Nana Grey-Johnson has his faculties intact. No one understands the Professor's political terrain better than those who accept his ministerial appointments. Be "fired" and live in "dignity"? A snowball has more chance in hell!'
LJD
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LJD,
Thanks for the usual clarity. Indeed Grey-Johnson has his faculties fully intact. The day this 'opportunist' accepted to work for a known killer of children was the day he forfeited his integrity and dignity. There is no dignity in working for a killer and murderer. Jammeh is an unrepentant murderer and working for his government at the level these 'enablers' do is simply criminal. They will never be allowed to hogwash us with their convoluted reasons for joining the devil. We will InSaaAllah be around to remind them and their apologists of their opportunism and hyprocrisy.
Best,
Mboge
On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 3:08 AM, Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Ah Demba, I love your optimism but Nana Grey-Johnson has his faculties intact. No one understands the Professor's political terrain better than those who accept his ministerial appointments. Be "fired" and live in "dignity"? A snowball has more chance in hell!
LJDarbo
From: Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Saturday, 27 April 2013, 1:30
Subject: Re: [G_L] Nana Grey-Johnson
Mawdo Yero,
I feel you and have equal concerns. But I have a different perspective or should I say dream on this... I think if Minister Johnson is able to detach himself from the politics of the day and make efforts to work with the private media, he may not be successful but his efforts will be recorded in history as one of our own who care about the media. He may not last long, but again that would have proven that were he to have the right political landscape he would indeed success in building bridges where needed.
Off course we know the bar is low in his success, but we also must recognize in the most difficult of circumstances, the most challenging and oppressing political environment, citizens can still try to work hard and independently to achieve something. So while Mr. Johnson may not last long on his role, if I were him (not in million years) I would work independently and let me be fired and live my dignity and respect. So I believe Mr. Johnson can build an independent relationship with the media and they will admire his efforts successful or not...
Thanks always mawdo for raising concerns.
Thanks
Demba
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Yero Jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Like the adage goes, "mining mining, tafal tafal, ah labang dula, tohnya." There seems to be a new Joshua in town. He is speaking like his predecessors. I personally doubt it is possible to be with Jammeh and be with the media fraternity at the same time. Let us see it.....I bet you, if you (Nana) make any comments about investingating the deaths of Chief Ebrima Manneh and Deyda Hydara; opening the closed radios and newspapers; and the many other problems of the media including the draconium stipulation that claimed Deyda's life, you will soon make Jammeh lose patience on you and put you in the right place like he did to your predecessors.
What I think you (Nana) are doing is to coax (fool) the media houses by pretending that you are with them and stationing your self more on this ministry post. Please forgive my sturborness and spare me from the niceties like they say. For a long time, I have stopped being a fan of toad-politicians who change in stages overnight. These toad-politicians speak like angels during day, and at night, they are were-wolves dining with the devil and picking crumbs like the house dog. With all that this regime has done to citizens and continues to do which is clearly in the open, any of your ilks that joins this rotten administration in the name of changing the status quo is digging his own grave. Others more influential couldn't do this. What makes you think you can do it?
Best,
Yero
[‘I belong to you, I am one of you, I have not changed sides, I have not abandoned the fraternity. What I have done is I have extended the scope of the fraternity, and if you understand what that means and what advantages there are for you as an industry, I think we will begin to capture the essence of how we can mutually achieve our purposes,’ he said.] --(The Point Newspaper, 04/26/2013)
http://thepoint.gm/africa/gambia/article/i-have-not-changed-sides-new-information-minister-tells-journalists
I have not changed sides, new Information Minister tells journalists
africa » gambia
Friday, April 26, 2013
The new minister of Information and Communication Infrastructure has told journalists that he has not in any way changed sides or abandoned the media fraternity, stressing that what he has done is to extend the scope of the fraternity.
Nana Grey-Johnson was speaking yesterday during a press briefing at GRTS building in Kanifing at the end of a familiarization tour of institutions under his ministry.
‘I belong to you, I am one of you, I have not changed sides, I have not abandoned the fraternity. What I have done is I have extended the scope of the fraternity, and if you understand what that means and what advantages there are for you as an industry, I think we will begin to capture the essence of how we can mutually achieve our purposes,’ he said.
A veteran journalist himself, Nana Grey-Johnson, whose tour took him to institutions like Gamtel/Gamcel, GRTS, GPPC and the Department of Information Services, said it is amazing to see what power lies in these institutions to take us where we have to go.
‘The Gambia having outlined its objectives on several levels, we need to now find out, since we have spokespersons out there in the form of the media, how are they going to engage with government so that we take the objectives forward,’ he stated.
He told journalists that it goes without saying that the outlook of government is national; obviously information must reach as many people as possible, and information will only reach these people through the systems that we are.
On his reaction to what he saw during the tour, the Minister said he saw hope, power, potential all of which are not being tapped.
‘That is a general description of what I saw,’ he said.
On what immediate plans he has to ensure a nationwide coverage by GRTS, the Minister said broadcasts going on air are going on air at great costs.
‘There are resource issues to talk about, there are human resources issues to cover, the plans are there and they fall within a major strategic plan,’ he added.
According to him, he came on board and is talking about the repositioning of his Ministry, and has considered with his technicians the issues of “making sure that we have concrete short term, medium and long term use of what we are doing” between now and 2018/2020.
‘It is our major concern that somebody will call GRTS and say I am here, I am a citizen, I lived in a particular place and I know nothing that is going on through GRTS broadcasts.
‘Certainly, GRTS radio is one of my priorities, and the reason I’m saying this is that the studios I visited yesterday, I used to broadcast from them,’ he said.
He noted that what has pushed him to dream about his ministry being a self financing ministry is because he is talking about Gamtel/Gamcel, GPPC, an organization that has been able to turn itself from the black in a matter of a year or a year and half, turn its accounts from red to black simply because of proper accounting, good personnel on the ground, responsible overseership, board members paying attention to the fact that they are a corporation and have a culture of behavior.
On whether there are plans to visit media houses, Nana Grey-Johnson responded: ‘Yes, why not because if we are people who are giving information, then we should be informed ourselves. I will find some time to be able to talk to the media houses, to see how they are running, see what their problems are; because it is only then that we will be able to address issues from an informed point of view, so that we know exactly how to treat each other.’
‘We are interested in each other; we need to know what the other person is doing or thinking, so that we can formulate the national agenda, which is bigger than Nana Grey-Johnson, and it has to be so that I know exactly where I fit in within my contributions.
‘I am going to bring the media houses in so that we see a common future, a national future rather than a fragmented, agenda-filled environment which is not conducive to anything developmental,’ he stated.
Author: Njie Baldeh
Source: Picture: Nana Grey-Johnson
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