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Brilliant Yanks. The mind is being nurtured. I remembered Rajoelina sought
refuge in a UN compound and with the French. Rajoelina led demonstrations
in  Tananarive to prosecute the legislative life of Malagasies while
Ravalomanana  sought refuge in the AU. PDOIS seeks refuge in Halifa and Foroyaa.
Without  Darbo, there will certainly be a UDP. Without Halifa, I am not as sure
about  PDOIS. At the rate they are going, the witches and wizards are
killing Halifa  unawares.

Anyway, I do want to bring to your attention that Dramane is engaged in 
sport or so he thinks. It may not be necessary to nourish a terminally ill
mind.  They only pay lip-service to Darfur. They are not serious people. They
think  Gambia owes them something for attending to their clan.
Haruna. Best wishes on a belated easter. Good to hear you again. MQJGDT.
Darbo.




In a message dated 4/18/2009 6:44:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:

"THE UDP  NEED A BRAVE LEADER. DARBOE THE COWARD IS A FAILURE. WHAT I SAID
ABOUT HIM ARE  FACTS. I DID NOT LIE. HE RAN AWAY" Mohamed Drammeh

Mr Drammeh

I have warned you that you will fail in your quest to  tarnish the
integrity of the man named Ousainou Darboe. You claimed  that Lawyer Darboe is not
brave, he is a coward yet you failed  to explain what yardstick you have used
to come to that  conclusion.

However, here is a little education for you, it is a  universal declared
accord that every citizen of this world has a right to  seek refuge upon an
apprehension of fear for their safety. This is now  enshrined in the
constitutions of almost every nation of this world,  which are signatory to the
Geneva Convention of the 1951. If you require  further elaboration it is
stipulated under Article 1A (2) of the said  convention.

Furthermore, it is a fact that every law student  with a LLB qualification
is aware of this conventional right of every  individual. It is in fact our
basic human rights. I suppose with the  exception you and your Afro -
educated leader called Halifa. Such could be the  only rational explanation as to
why you and your decayed brain  would interprete a person's mere exercise of
this basic human rights as  cowardice.

Unfortunately, you have failed to understand  that Lawyer Darboe is a fully
qualified lawyer, who knows that this basic  human right does exist for him
and he is not a coward to exercise it  anytime he fits the criteria.
Indeed, people don't go to law school in  order to become oblivion to their
rights.

Lawyer Darboe, on  the day he walked to the Senegalese Embassy to seek
refuge for a day or two,  was merely exercising his basic human rights under the
Geneva  convention for the treament of refugees and asylum seekers.

For you to describe that as cowardice and non bravery merely  exposes your
stupidity of your own human right. If seeking refuge is  regarded as
cowardice in your party, PDOIS, NADD or whatever you call them,  you mugs then need
to go to school to learn about your basic  human rights.

Today, there are millions of refugees and  asylum seekers around the world,
to label their actions as cowardice  is absolute horrendous and begs the
question, where is your head at Mr  Drammeh.

I hope you now see sense and realise that Lawyer  Darboe was no coward and
has never ran but merely exercise his basic human  right. Just because you
do not know that such right exist, does not make  Darboe a coward.

So  please Mr Drammeh, get this into your thick skull, the Darboe's don't
run!

Nemesis Yanks

I am  back!



____________________________________
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:26:46 -0700
From:  [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: HALIFA IS NO MORE THAN A PREACHER, BUT  DARBOE IS A COWARD!
To: [log in to unmask]

Thank you very much Yankuba Dabo,

Rather than you attacking the actions of Halifa Sallah you are are  just
engage in your hatred of him. I do not care if you love or hate  Halifa
Sallah. Had Halifa ran away I will expose and humillate  him.

You have nothing to say about Halifa except that you are attacking  the
person he is. He did not run away Darboe did!!!!!!!!!!. This is the  issue that
I have with him. I did not praise and I will not praise  Halifa Sallah for
his bravery and valour. He is just doing what every  Gambian expected of
him. Darboe failed in this and thus deserved to be  exposed. THE UDP NEED A
BRAVE LEADER. DARBOE THE COWARD IS A FAILURE.  WHAT I SAID ABOUT HIM ARE FACTS.
I DID NOT LIE. HE RAN  AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ABORITA
LEH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ANDUNG AYALA DIMBAYATU KOMA. DARBOE LEMU JONG O TI

Let Halifa run away and see what I will write about him. I have no  hatred
of Darboe. I despised his cowardice. He ran for office but  chicken out
whack!!!!! whack!!!!!!!!! Tell me if i am lying!!!!!!!!!  Darboe ran
away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in 1996. This is  fact!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The UDP should
choose someone else not a  coward. kubuga



Muhammad Bai Drammeh Bin Alhagie Sheihu Muhammad  Lamin Drammeh Bin
Muhammad Kanday Drammeh bin Muhammad Kissima Drammeh  bin Foday Drammeh



--- On Sat,  18/4/09, yanks dabo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From:  yanks dabo <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: HALIFA IS NO MORE  THAN A PREACHER, BUT NOT THE IMAM!
To:  [log in to unmask]
Date: Saturday, 18 April, 2009, 2:00  AM

   Mr Muhamed Drameh or Mambai Drameh  or whatever you call yourself!

You need  to have a little respect for Lawyer Darboe regardless of how much
 hatred you might habour for the man. I have been following your  postings
on the Gambia post as well as this forum. Your postings have  evinced that
you are not a political commentator or critic  of lawyer Darboe or the party
and people he represents, but a  political saboteur bent on tarnishing the
integrity of  Lawyer Darboe.

However,  you have failed and will continue to fail. You  should resist
your egoes from bamboozling you into thinking  that you can bring down Ousainou
Darboe on these forums that choose to  unlease your menace. Please Mr
Drammeh be aware that Halifa  holds no more political clout than Lawyer Darboe.
That Afroman better  learn to lead a family first before thinking of leading
a  country.

Lawyer  Darboe is nor coward and he poses more threat to the Jammeh  regime
than that clown of yours, you call a hero. You wonder boy  hero is nothing
more than an old Jackson faive member to Jammeh.  You wonder why Jammeh
derided him as an "Old Jackson  Five" member. Simply because, under the eye of
the Dictator,  Halifa is a nonentity, more or less a commendian in the
battlefield.

The real  belligrent is Ousainou Darboe and the UDP. So please save us the
brag!  When will you people begin to see or realise that Halifa  is no more
than a preacher, but not the Imam in the  Gambian opposition.

The  Darboe's don't run! I hope you get that into your thick skull, Mr
Drammeh!

Nemesis Yanks


____________________________________
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:07:12 -0700
From:  [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: The Halifa Factor, what  next?/Ginny/harunanding
To: [log in to unmask]

Please reply  and do not Darboe!!!!!!!!!!


Muhammad Bai Drammeh Bin  Alhagie Sheihu Muhammad Lamin Drammeh Bin
Muhammad Kanday  Drammeh bin Muhammad Kissima Drammeh bin Foday  Drammeh



--- On Sat,  18/4/09, [log in to unmask]  <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From:  [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:  Re: The Halifa Factor, what next?/Ginny
To:  [log in to unmask]
Date: Saturday, 18 April, 2009,  12:04 AM


I couldn't have said it better Ginny. May the Lord God be  with you. ALways.
Haruna.


In a message dated 4/17/2009 3:08:06 P.M. Eastern  Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:

The facts as I see them are that Halifa  went on a fact-finding
mission, regarding the  "witch-hunting exercise), was arrested and had
charges  brought against him.  Suntou is of the opinion that  Halifa
Sallah was doing this for his own political  gain/fortune, and that if
he'd known that he was going to  get arrested, that he'd not have
engaged in said  fact-finding mission,and if Suntou is making  these
assertions, A. are they correct?  and B. if  they are, is this
necessarily a bad thing?

When  the insinuation was made that Halifa Sallah was acting in  his own
political interest, instead of that of the  Gambian people,  we once
again waded in to the  "Sallah would never do that" argument...  The
issue  seems to me that it's not whether or not Sallah acted in his  own
interest or not, but the fact that many can't fathom  that Sallah could
possibly be looking out for himself,  politically, and trying to raise
his political fortunes,  by going on a "fact-finding" mission regarding
the witch  hunt.  I mean, if he's seeking to be President  or
Representative, or a political leader of some sort,  he'd have to raise
his political fortunes somehow, he'd  have to find some way to get
elected, so how does he do  this?

Politicians make well, political calculations  all the time.  whenever
there's a disaster, they go  and tour the area, whenever there's a
problem or issue,  they have some sort of theory of how to fix it,
they're  not necessarily doing it out of the kindness of their  own
heart.  Why should Halifa Sallah be any  different?  Is it possible
that acting in the best  interest of The Gambia is a political gesture
in and of  itself.

And even if Suntou is wrong, which I think he  is in this case, he has
the right to offer his opinion,  and to offer reasons for why he holds
that opinion.   And everyone else who disagrees has the right  to
challenge him on it.  Perhaps it's not happened  in this particular
conversation (though I do see it to  some degree, just on the emotional
outbursts of some  alone), that saying anything deemed as "wrong" or
"bad"  about Halifa Sallah is deemed as a sort of treason or  a
sacrilege.  If Sallah doesn't want a position of  leadership and
authority/power, why is he in politics in  the first place?  If he
wants to speak out against  The Gambia government, he could well do
that on his  own.  If he wants representation in Parliament, etc.,  then
he could just sponsor a candidate or campaign on a  candidates behalf,
but then we're back to the same place  we started, that Sallah is
involved in politics, even if  it may be indirectly.

My point is that Halifa is held  up as the selfless, courageous fighter
of The Gambian  people, I've even heard/read some refer to him as  the
"Mandela of The Gambia", and that he doesn't seek  power for power's
sake, etc.  And this may all be  true.  However, this doesn't preclude
the notion  that he may, in his quest to fight for the Gambian  people,
make some political decisions/calculations at  some point in time.

At any rate, this was a futile  argument to begin with and I'm
wondering why Suntou even  brought it up?  What good is this going to
do?   What good is it going to do in united an opposition for the  next
election?  (Is that even on the table  anymore?)  And why are we
bringing up Darboe's 1996  Incident?  Again, I'm not saying that I
agree or  disagree with it, but why now?  What is to be gained  by
talking about these two things incessantly?  Even  if Darboe was wrong
for running off to the Senegalese  embassy, and even if Sallah was
somehow "politically  calculating"?  What is the point of bringing  this
up, except to engender more animosity and bitterness  between people
that really need to find a way to  unite?

And if you can't unite with or get behind  Sallah, or you can't unite
with or get behind Darboe,  based on their political beliefs or their
past mistakes,  if you don't like the current leaders in The Gambia,
what  then?  It seems to me that we've got a certain segment  of people
(and not necessarily all PDOIS supporters or  all UDP supporters for
that matter), who will not  compromise on anything, who will not
entertain any other  position or idea other than the one they  currently
support.

Perhaps I've missed the boat  big time but I'm sure there'll be another
one along  shortly and maybe next time I'll get it.

Although I'd  imagine that if I completely agreed with the  pro-Halifa
people in this particular discussion, I'd  miraculously develop a keen
intelligence, a knack for  understanding "Gambian issues", I'd all of a
sudden go  from being someone who's "missed the boat big time",  and
would morph into a certified genius.  See how  those things work?

Again, you see it in this country  too, if you listen to talk radio, or
at least  Conservative talk radio, you'll hear the hosts talk about  how
if you don't agree with them, then there's something  patently wrong
with you, they talk about their views  being "the truth".  And to be
fair, you also see it  among Liberals too.  And I don't think that
Gambian  political discussions are any different, at least when  we're
talking about the opposition.  "The truth" to  my mind is relative to
the person you're talking  to.  One person's "cowardice" is another
person's  "courage".  One person's "selflessness" is another  person's
"political calculation".  It just depends  on who you're talking to.

We're just not agreeing and  no amount of back and forth is going to
change  that.

Ginny



On 4/17/09,  [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>  wrote:
> The ramble is extremely valuable,  appropriate, and visionary. And I read
> every word of  it.
>
> Ginny I'll give you a hint:
> Your  fair review of all political parties and their leaders of  Gambia IS
> NOT WHAT BRINGS OUT THE DAGGERS. I just  want you to know that.
>
> Some time just after  the nadd dissolution and UDP/NRP's withdrawal from
the
>  gaucherie, The GDP had invited UDP and NRP  officials in order to
fashion a
>  reconvening of  minds around some coalescing of forces. You were  kind
> enough to  grace a meeting of Hon. Hamat  Bah. You spoke gloriously of him
> and he
>  spoke  admirably of you both here and in Gambia. On  your blog, there is
> publication  dedicated to  Hamat, the Man.
>
> So in life's mirages, and  being an enhanced human being, you will not
>  understand why you solicit venom from some corners, even as  you give
praise
> to
> their dear leader. The  mentality and level of development is such that
not
>  only  is disagreement a harbinger of derision and  contemptuous libel,
but so
> is the  commendation  and "praise" of phantom enemies.
>
> I hope this  keeps things in better perspective for you. I am concerned
that
>  you will blame yourself for your good  self. And it has nothing
(virtually
> nothing) to do  with Ginny. What it risks doing is intimidating you to  a
> point  where you recede in human terms to  meet your detractors at the
lower
> ebb
>  of  life. I advise you stay true north. And enjoy life  with your
trademark
> considerations.
>  Haruna.
>
>
> In a message dated 4/16/2009  10:21:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>  [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> I wasn't   necessarily saying that anyone said, word for word,  that
> Halifa Sallah  wasn't human.  And  wasn't prone to mistakes.  I merely
>  pointed  that fact out, as an aside, because every time  Halifa Sallah
> is discussed,  and/or criticized  in anyway, the claws come out.  And I
> mean  every  time!  I almost guarantee you that if you  scream Halifa
> Sallah on a  crowded list, it's  bound to evoke some kinda response.
> And I also  think  that some of his supporters idolize him, put him  on a
> pedestal, darn near  worship him, and  anyone can disagree with me on
> this point if you  want,  however, from what I've seen, anyone who
>  criticizes him (rightly or  wrongly), gets all kinds of  stuff flung at
> them, and we get the same old   tired lecture of how great he is for The
> Gambia, and  how much he's done for  the Gambian people.  Which  may or
> may not be true, that's not even the   point I'm addressing.  However,
> the unspoken  rule seems to be that  criticism of Halifa Sallah is  off
> limits.  Now this may, or may not,  be  true.  Maybe he has, or can't do
> anything  wrong.  Maybe the  criticism has taken place off  list.  I
> don't know.
>
> I'll  say  (once again as this seems to be getting lost in  the shuffle),
> that I  commend Halifa Sallah for  speaking out and doing what he could
> to get at   the truth of what actually took place.  And I think  that
> questioning  his motives, just for the  sake of questioning them,
> without any proof to   substantiate any of the claims made in
> questioning  his motives, is wrong  and is over the top.   OK?  Now, if
> anyone has any substantiated   claims that Sallah was acting in his own
>  self-interest, or for his own  political gains, let's  post hard facts
> here, and not just mere  speculation  and inuendo.  Let's not  disagree
> with Halifa Sallah just for the sake   of disagreeing with him.
>
> I have wondered,  though, why Halifa Sallah and  the PDOIS party  has
> failed to gain traction with the Gambian  people.   And when I've asked
> this  question, the inference I get is that the Gambian   people, by and
> large, are not politically mature  enough, not educated  enough, and are
> too  tribalistic in their mindset, to choose what's best  for  them (read
> Sallah).  Now, if one  thinks so low of the people they  supposedly  are
> trying to fight for, the people you supposedly  want to have  freedom,
> democracy, the rule of  law, etc., doesn't that mean that they  should
>  be allowed to support the candidate of their choosing?   Even if  it's
> not Sallah?  Is Sallah (and  the other opposition politicians as  well)
>  fighting for the Gambian people, or are they fighting for  their  own
> political gains?  And if Sallah  is so different than the  other
> opposition  politicians, how so?  What has he done that say,   Darboe (a
> human rights lawyer mind you)  hasn't?
>
> Sallah might be the  best thing  for The Gambia (I'll steer away from
> the "sliced  bread"  comparison as it might offend some), however,  the
> hard fact is that the  majority of Gambians  do *not* support him!  Now,
> how can you  get  support from people when you infer (or right out  say)
> that the constituency  that you're asking  to vote for you is too stupid
> and uneducated to  do  so?  Now Sallah may not have said this  himself,
> but I've heard/seen it  from his  supporters enough...  And I'd
> personally not  support someone  who insults my intelligence or  thinks
> me stupid.
>
> It seems that  all  of the opposition leaders' supporters aren't  that
> much different than  Jammeh's  supporters.  You criticize their leaders,
> the  claws will come  out, you'll get called all kinds of  names, and be
> asked to prove (with  supporting  messages, footnotes, and
> documentation) every  letter, word,  sentence, that you utter.  And  in
> the process of the back-and-forth,  we lose  sight of what the actual
> goal is.  Perhaps if  we remember what  the ultimate goal is, which  is
> to restore democracy and the rule of law to   The Gambia (or at least
> that's what I thought it  was), then we can put our  differences aside
> to  achieve that goal and then worry about the back and   forth bickering
> later.  However, it seems that  you have a group of  people who would
> rather  have Jammeh in power, than to see anyone else   butHalifa Sallah
> as the next President of The  Gambia.
>
> All of the  opposition leaders,  imho, have done something, in their own
> way,  to  challenge the current regime in power.  They'd  not be
> opposition  leaders if they had not done  something...  Maybe it wasn't
> exactly   what Sallah was or is doing, but if it's not, does it  mean
> that how they  choose to stand up to the  dictatorship is necessarily
> "wrong", or that   because they're not acting as PDOIS/Sallah woudl  act,
> that that makes them  power hungry,  selfish, etc.?
>
> And this is why we can't  unite!   Because some do not have respect  for
> the parties they don't agree with,  they've  put Sallah way up here, and
> the rest of the  opposition leaders way  down here.  And will come  on
> the list and say they want a united   opposition no matter what, while
> trashing some of  the opposition  candidates.
>
> I'm going  to use American politics as an example again (and   my
> apologies as this seems to offend some too), but  do you think  Obama
> would have gotten elected  if he trashed Hillary and her  supporters
> after  he'd won the primary?  Or, vice versa, i.e., what  if  Hillary
> and/or her supporters had continued  trashing Obama after he'd won,  and
> the  democratic party had remained divided?  What I'm trying  to say  is
> that for the most part, even  Democrats and Independents, for  that
> matter,  rallied around Obama even if they didn't necessarily   agree
> with him, in order to get rid of Bush and not  allow McCain to  get
> elected.  They were  able to put their smaller differences aside   and
> focus on the bigger goal of ousting the  Republicans from the  White
> House as well as  from many seats in Congress.
>
> Now, if  people  can't even do that here on this list, when  we're
> supposedly dealing with  mature and  educated people, how do we expect
> the leaders to be  able to do  it?  And even if the leaders were able  to
> come together, what about  their  supporters?
>
> You've got one person rehashing  an event that  happened in 1996, per
> Darboe,  and another person questioning the supposed  ulterior  motives
> of a guy who, for whatever reason, put his  life on the  line for asking
> questions...   i.e. Sallah...  And this is just a  waste of time  and
> we're losing site of the big picture  here!
>
> My  nuanced view, that many  either missed or chose to only focus on  the
>  critical of Sallah parts, is that Sallah stood up and  spoke  out
> *more*, hear me?  I said *more  than* any of the other leaders that  we
> knew  of!  I was commending him for this.  However,  based not  only on
> this current conversation  but past exchanges regarding  Sallah,
> criticism  of him is not tolerated, even if it may be   warranted!  I
> also said that Sallah has done a  lot in educating the  people in
> electoral  matters (and that was missed too), however, the fact   still
> remains that PDOIS is still a small party in  The Gambia.  And  the fact
> also is that  many say that he and PDOIS urged people to support   an
> admittedly flawed Constitution, the reason being  that a  flawed
> Constitution coudl be changed  later and it was better than  no
> Constitution  at all.  However, that's pretty much water under   the
> bridge (just as Darboe's seeking refuge with the  Senegalese  embassy
> should also be water under  the bridge), because even if we would  have
> had  a perfect Constitution, Jammeh has all but ruined it, and  if  the
> Freedom Newspaper *shudder* is  accurate, Jammeh's fixing to  *oops,
> there's  the Tennessee coming out* put up a bill making The  Gambia  a
> one-party state.  What will the  opposition do then?  Where will  the
>  endless quoting of the Constitution get anyone  then?
>
> You see,  many times I tend to  have a pretty nuanced opinion about
> things.   And  many I think, missed that.
>
>  Anyway...  this old argument regarding  Sallah/the  opposition, in
> general, is an old and tired one, and  I'm sorry  that I wasted my time,
> and others'  time, getting involved in  it.
>
> Although  the emotional quips of "going back to Clarksville and   telling
> the hibbies" along with my supposedly  thinking my opinions superior  to
> others (but  they were didn't ya know?  'cause I'm educated  and  all
> that) have kept me laughing all  day...  And such an emotional  reaction
>  from presumably PDOIS/Sallah supporters have proven my  point, that  any
> kind of disagreement, or even  mere suggestion that perhaps  something
> else  different should be tried, can't be tolerated, unless  of  course,
> the great and wonderful Sallah says  it should be so...  And  Maybe
> Sallah is a  great and wonderful leader, and I'm just not seeing   it.
>
> I've just not been the type to put  people on pedestals.  Even  Obama,
> who I  think, for the most part, is doing good for this  country,  I
> don't always agree  with.
>
> Anyway, I've rambled on long   enough...
>
>  Ginny
>
>
>
> On 4/16/09, Jabou  Joh  <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>  Ginny,
>>
>> Where in the  responses  of those who are challenging the misinformation
>  about
>>  Halifa's intentions or anything else  that is said about him for that
> matter,
>>  have you read where any of us have even suggested that  Halifa  is not
> human
>> and does not  make mistakes?
>> Jabou   Joh
>>
>> But last I checked, he was human  just like the rest of us,  he's not
>  perfect,
>> and just like the other opposition  leaders (who by  being opposition
>  leaders
>> and human rights lawyers, etc., have  also put  their lives on the line
for
>> The  Gambia), have also made   mistakes.
>>
>>
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>>  From: Ginny  Quick <[log in to unmask]>
>> To:   [log in to unmask]
>> Sent: Thu, 16 Apr  2009 10:01 am
>>  Subject: Re: The Halifa  Factor, what  next?
>>
>>
>>
>>  You  know, I could care less *why* Halifa did what he  did!  If others
> want  to
>>  question his motives than go right ahead...  However,  the fact  of the
> matter
>> remains  that he went on a fact-finding mission  regarding  the
> "witch-hunts",
>> was arrested for it,  and had charges  brought against him!  Where were
the
>> other politicians while  all of this  was going on?  He was the most
>  outspoken
>> out of all  of the opposition  politicians.
>>
>>
>>
>>  Having said  that, though, just like the Republicans  and Democrats in
this
>> country  can't do  anything right in the other's eyes, so goes with  the
>> various  opposition parties (and their  supporters) in The Gambia.  If it
>  had
>> been Ousainou Darbo or someone else, then  someone would probably  be
> coming
>>  along and questioning Ousainou's  motives
>>    too.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't  think that anyone in PDOIS is any  more or less prone  to hero
> worship
>> than a supporter from  any other  party, but I've always detected a  hint
> of, I
>> can't find the right  word  for it, but a hint of defensiveness and and
a
>> sorta cult-like  hero-worship where  Halifa is concerned, though this
>>  definitely  doesn't hold true for every PDOIS  supporter.  And Halifa is
>>  human,  prone to error, just like anyone else, though if you listen  to
> some
>> people talk, he's the best thing  since sliced bread, and if you  don't
>>  support him, then there's something wrong with you,  you're  stupid,
>> uneducated, or any number  of   invectives.
>>
>>
>>
>>  Notwithstanding all of this, at  least in the most  recent case of
>> witch-hunting, no matter why  Halifa  did what he did, he did it!  And
if
>> anyone wants to  question Halifa's  motives for doing so, I'd like a
little
>>  more  than speculation, i.e., direct quotes, hard  evidence, etc., for
>>  example, to sit there  and say "if Halifa knew he'd be arrested, he'd
not
>> have done what he did".  Which doesn't  make sense to me  because if
memory
>> serves  me, Halifa has been detained before, so  surely he knew  that his
>> actions could well land him in  detention of  some  sort.
>>
>>
>>
>>  Anyway, I've only read through some  of the posts as  the back-and-forth
> was
>> giving me a  headache.  And  it's just the same old "Halifa  is
> selfish/thinks
>> we're   stupid/whatever" meme against Halifa, and the "Halifa is  great
and
>>  wonderful and how dare you  question him/we all k
>> now what you're   trying to do/you're trying to tarnish the image of  the
> most
>> courageous  Gambian to  ever walk the face of the earth/what you're
saying
>> about  Halifa is patently untrue",  on the other  side.
>>
>>
>>
>>   And from my vantage point, the true is probably somewhere in  the
middle
> of
>> those two extremes.   Halifa hs done much to educate Gambians,  has  done
> much
>> to empower them electorally,  and he has put his life on  the line to
> stand  up
>> for Gambians.  But last I checked, he  was  human just like the rest of
us,
>> he's  not perfect, and just like the  other opposition  leaders (who by
> being
>> opposition leaders  and human  rights lawyers, etc., have also put  their
> lives
>> on the line for The   Gambia), have also made  mistakes.
>>
>>
>>
>>   Ginny
>>
>>
>>
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