Suntou, i guess you know i do not have time for your pettiness. Again i leave you in the capable hands of my humble brother Mboge. If you open your mind as you said you do, he will help you understand that you do not need to hold a "hostile" view against what someone post or forwards here old or young.
--- On Sat, 5/29/10, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The Last African Professor of Geography
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Saturday, May 29, 2010, 1:44 PM
Nyang
Really, you're confusing yourself unnecessarily. Who told you topics are started here only for it to be between you and others?
Smarten up. If you cannot wanton seeing other Gambians as your brother, how on earth can you convince the wider Africa to unite?
What you’re continually and endlessly trying to invoke is
negatives exchanges by pretending to be
siding with Mboge, thus shallowly using lax humour to feel secure in your narrow world view.
Mboge, sees far wider than you. You see, for you, factionalism is what you crave for even when it is irrelevant.
When I comment on Gambian Pan-Africanist, seriously, you never cross my mind. Not that, you’re not one, but you are minor in the grand schemes.
Mboge has distinguished himself on several subjects here with us. Yes, we are not aiming at agreeing in everything, but the end result is that, we all maturely and logically put forward our arguments that provide us new ideas and reasoning.
I don't have to agree with Mboge to acknowledge the level of maturity in his views. Yes, we may all gotten excited in the past, but those shackles are undone Nyang, get use to it.
I question the logic in the Gambian Pan-Africanist forwarding to us articles regularly mainly for the following reasons:
Why forward an article if you are unwilling to discuss it when readers make query?
Why believe that, a mere forward serve your purpose? Since what you forward might have been read by other even before you.
The older Gambian Pan-Africanist advocates safe Mboge tend to only want to accept views they feel strengthen their position. If what they are trading here is simplly, here is an article from Pambasuka or from Pan-Africansit X or Y without themselves expressing their position, where do you get the Gambian-centric position?
If they so much wish to sell Pan-Africanism yet they feel, their age is such that, they cannot take hostile views from younger readers, what message is that conveying? We all know some of the founding members of Pan-Africanism instituted one party system, some complicit in murders. The silence from the key forwarders here is sending mix messages.
If they cannot bring themselves to disagree with their fellow Gambian honestly and respectfully, what moral grounding do they have to talk of a United Africa?
Remember, the Gambian is only about 2million people.
For the Gambian Pan-Africanist advocates to be taken seriously, they must be confident enough to lay their views in the public domain. Discuss with anyone seeking to challenge their views, this way, the passion of a United Africa will not only be a dream bu may end up convincing many to fold
Finally Nyang, you see, I don’t have you in mind when I am choosing my topics. And I glad that, Modou Mboge didn’t respond to your apparent attempt to side track the important discourse. You are not my enemy, and if anything, you belong in the long line of Nyangs which my mother is proudly from. This is not any relevant so far as our opinions and views are concern, however, to once more make it clear to you that, I am never distracted by innuendos and irrelevant statements.
See the bigger picture, if not you’re wasting your resources by attending an event without first able to reconcile with your fellow Gambians.
All the best.
Suntou
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Suntou, i hear them say here in New York, LOL... you made me LOL so loud that i disturbed by sleeping roomates.
Anyway, i do not want this topic to be between me and you. My brother and "Tom" Mboge is has made my weekend great and i will be going to the DC ALD on saturday with much vigour and determination in the cause of a United AFRICA.
--- On Fri, 5/28/10, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The Last African Professor of Geography
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Friday, May 28, 2010, 3:30 AM
Nyang
There is no undesirable discussion. Avoid curtailing the extent your mind can wander and absorb new experiences. Be open minded and allow divergence and see the good in things.
Suntou
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 5:44 PM, Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Suntou, indeed i learn everyday even from the undesirable discusses here sometimes. But mark you, it is not as you are assuming from my reading between the lines of your posting. Can see you have raised other issues of your lack of understanding of the topic you raised but will leave it to my able brother Mboge to take care of.
Mboge, help him digest the issues.
Nyang
--- On Thu, 5/27/10, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The Last African Professor of Geography
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 5:12 AM
Nyang
If you stay long, you will learn new ways each day.
Bob Marley famously says "bend down low, let me tell you what I know". When we read with our minds alert without prior judgment, we will gain insight into many things.
Regards
Suntou
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Mboge, i thank you from the bottom of my heart for your intervention. I for one could't have imagined how to respond to such a question raised by Suntou. But you indeed hit the right note when you brought forth the criminal religionist and religion mongers.
Than you very much.
Nyang
--- On Wed, 5/26/10, Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The Last African Professor of Geography
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 5:24 PM
Thanks for sharing this video showing some of the buffoonery of "The Last King of Scotland and the Conqueror of the British Empire-Late Field Marshall Idi Amin DADA". I think on the issue of SHEPAD's aspirations of becoming another African Mad Man Dictator, I would say he is not aspiring, he is already a CERTIFIED LUNATIC. He arrived moons ago.
This is an interesting statement of yours : "The Pan-Africanist brothers should analyse men like Idi Amin, failure to do so means, their endless attacks on Europeans whilst at the same time enjoying the western live style is comical and contradictory." It seems like asking moslems to analyse the behaviour and acts of those who murder in the name of Islam to absolve themselves from criticisms especially the type levelled against moderate British moslems by the likes of Tony Blair, Thatcher and others following the 7/7 Tube bombings. Why should they? We all know that those lunatics going around murdering innocent people are evil incarnate acting on some perverse interpretions of the Holy Quran. I see no reason why ordinary moslems should be held to account for the dastardly and criminal behaviour of some mad people. They do not owe anyone explanations. In the same vain I do not think it is fair to ask those advocating for a Pan Africanist
worldview to account for or analyse the shenanigans of a buffoon like Idi Amin, Yahya Jammeh, Mugabe, Nguema and many more.
Idi Amin never represented the ideals of Pan Africanism just as SHEPAD Yahya A J J Jammeh is not representing Pan Africanism. Uganda was salvaged from the madness of the buffoon DADA by a more credible Pan-Africanist Mwalimu Julius Nyerere of Tanzania who disregarded the whining of an emasculated and dysfunctional OAU which had lost its way and invaded Uganda in 1979. Ugandans and most agree that the Mwalimu was right in invading Uganda. Though one must admit Nyerere also had some short-comings but he was arguably one of the greatest African leaders ever. His Ujamaa ideology has its critics and rightly so.
Real Pan Africanist have no issue with Europeans or white people. They have nothing to be ashame of. Africans have been and are still part of Western/Global development and i see evidence that we are not . The Traffic Light and the Oxygen Mask are the inventions of Gareth Morgan, an African American, George Washington Garver revolutionised American agriculture and he was the son of African Slaves, the first successful human organ transplant was carried out by a black doctor etc. These might sound trivial for some but for me these are important in developing the self-esteem of the African given the so many negative imagery about the black man that abound.
What Pan Africanist like the late Cheikh Anta Diop tried to do was to advocate through scholarship and scientific evidence Africa's contribution to world civilisation and knowledge. Africans both at home and in the diaspora continue to contribute to world development but most of the time this is not acknowledged due to the hegemonic dominance of the powerful. It is still relevant to make sure that our story is written by us and not for us by outsiders.
Just the other day on this forum, you shared with us the below highlighted piece which distorts the reality on how order was brought back to the Gambia following Samba Sanyang's escapades: "The SAS in Gambia 1981Three British Commandos Recaptured an Entire Country Christopher Eger, Apr 27, 2007 ". Indeed a big lie like this must be confronted by Gambians who know the truth. Howvever, Egers story is the kind of stories one will find bandied around as credible rendition of how order was restored in the Gambia due to powerful forces. Africans must remain vigilant in representing Africa's case at the world stage.
Pan Africanism today has evolved, is still evolving and is about genuine participatory democracy, good governance, credible leadership, transparency, accountability etc:
Zaya Yeebo a Ghanaian, and a known quantity among Gambians believes Pan Africanisms' relevance today should be that:
" We must challenge authoritarian rule, mismanagement, poor leadership and the lack of accountability of our leaders and public institutions. It is the historic duty to Africa of all Africans to do so. It is also the only way to help address the perennial problems of underdevelopment, poverty, deprivation, and the poor deplorable state of our infrastructure when a lot of resources go to private sources. But we must also have the courage of our founding fathers, the pioneers of Pan-Africanism and African liberation, to challenge the prevailing orthodoxy that holds the view that corruption and authoritarianism is a typical African problem. This stems from the colonial mindset, allowing international institutions to target African leaders, haul them off to some foreign jail under the guise of answering for impunity. It is inconceivable that the US or Britain will act similarly. That also means that African activists should reappraise and carefully reflect
on the sort of activities which passes off as advocacy and campaigning while fuelling anti African actions nationally and globally." Zaya Yeebo
Pan-Africanism in our time by Zaya Yeebo is a very interesting read and i hope you will find the urge to read it. If u will follow this link:
http://www.pambazuka.org/en/category/features/57772
Best,
Mboge
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