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From: Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> 
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Subject: Re: [G_L] Obama considers military action against Syria 
 
I understand Ousman. Hopefully the surgical strikes will have him running for cover where he will eventually run into enemy hands like we saw with Qaddafi.. In reference to the chemical weapons I was speaking from a personal perspective that intervention to stop the killings was long overdue even be4 the Chemical weapons. Of course you know Gov'ts will have to have a more justifiable reason to convince their citizens it was necessary to attack another country.. thus the weapons case is more appealing... From a humanitarian perspective the urgency of intervention is long over due... 

Just saying the situation has to be addressed and unfortunately dictators don't know any other language but bombs... I don't trust the rebels either but I believe the Syrian people deserve a chance for peace.. whether through the rebels or popular uprising which was the initial face of resistance until they got massacred like chickens. So may be if Assad is weakened or out the people can come out again and demand a more stable leadership... Either way it is a mess but Assad must be stopped from massacring his people just like that... 

Demba


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Ousman Ceesay <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Demba,

News flash: Nobody is proposing sending in troop to oust Assad. They are talking about "surgical strikes" with cruise missiles. Except some poor Syrian is going to end up dead and we will chalked that up as collateral loss in our haste to make a point. I am disappointed to hear you say we should discount who used the chemical weapons at this point...are you serious? Isn't that what this whole drummed up to war is all about? Thousands of Syrians were slaughtered on both sides prior to this chemical attack without anyone lifting a finger. If it happens that the opposition use this weapon, are you comfortable with replacing Assad with maniacs who will use chemical weapons to get him ousted? 

Furthermore, comparing what is happening in Syria to the situation in the Gambia is a rhetorical bombast on your part. Having said that, i have not read anywhere (maybe you can help me) what will happen the day after the missiles stop raining on Syria. People keep saying the president must lead, but lead where is often ignored. You made a similar error, when you state that the world can't sit by while children are massacred.The fact in this situation is the world is investigating who massacred those children. What do you think the UN is investigating? I shouldn't be surprise since you've already discounted their mission in finding out the culprit.

 
From: Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:30 AM

Subject: Re: [G_L] Obama considers military action against Syria

Ousman,

The frustration and disappointments are understandable. However, reality dictates that there is a difference between being a candidate running for office and ACTUALLY governing... There is almost always a contradiction between these two because of the reality...

Now to some of us it really shouldn't matter who used the chemical weapons at this point in the conflict. The situation that created the condition where chemical weapons would be used is the main culprit here. If Assad were to negotiate with his country men and women and device a transition or power sharing the world would probably not have seen the use of these weapons. Certainly two years into the conflict there is no end in sight to the killings of innocent civilians by their own government. The world already have enough of the killings and then the weapons... What is the solution? Sit by and watch little children being massacred.. or engage the tyrant and give the people a chance to rebuilt. I really honestly don't think this is about drumming for war but rather stopping the genocide before we have another Rwanda............... 

The jury is out but the world has a responsibility to stop this carnage just like we are calling for in Gambia...

Thanks

Demba


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Ousman Ceesay <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Candidate Obama will be critical of President Obama. This saber rattling against other countries without the consent of congress or the international community is one the things he used against his strongest opponent in 2008. If you don't believe most of the progressive community supported his candidacy because of the Iraq debacle, then I have the Kerewan bridge on the market for the highest bidder. What a change Washington does to some politicians. The same characters that advocated for invading every middle eastern country and never paid a price for it are signing letters and appearing on television telling us to strike another country based on flimsy evidence. In a civil war, such as we have in Syria, who is to say the opposition didn't use the chemical weapons to get an edge? isn't that what the united nations is investigating? Most of humanity is waiting for some evidence before even contemplating another adventure into war theater, not the sages in Washington. They are all hanged up on this nonsense that once the president drew an imaginary red line, there should be consequences, evidence be damn. I am so tired of seeing liberals who were seething with rage when Bush defied the UN and invade Iraq make ridiculous excuses for Obama. 

As of this writing ...Thursday morning, some Syrians will pay with their lives because America's president want to send a symbolic message. That is as outrageous as the one he purports to answer.

From: Malanding Jaiteh <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:13 AM

Subject: Re: [G_L] Obama considers military action against Syria

For much of the world and I believe many in the US its not about how bad Assad have acted over the past 2 yrs but what authority do we (the US and the rest of the world) have to "punish" him? Will "punishing" stop further bloodshed? 

Malanding



On 8/29/2013 11:02 AM, Husainou wrote:
Sir LBD I profoundly honor your opinion  but from I read and heard the weapon used against those people was nothing more than chemical weapon.
Hous




On Aug 29, 2013, at 9:09 AM, Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hous
 
I don't know what was used against "those poor                 defenceless civilians", and so I await the informed verdict of UN mandated investigators.
 
 
LJDarbo

From:                     Husainou <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent:                     Thursday, 29 August 2013, 14:04
Subject:                     Re: [G_L] Obama considers military action against Syria

Well somebody used chemical weapon against those poor defenseless civilians. All fingers are pointing at Assad's regime who is among few nations that still have stockpiles of such deadly weapons.Those rebels don't have the resources to maintain chemical weapons . Right now Assad is desperate , he will do anything to keep him in power.
Hous



On Aug 29, 2013, at 8:22 AM, Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Saiks, and Alieu
 
Your short reactions are not doing justice to the topic, but I am with you for there is something quite profound in your takes. If time permits, you should consider full length essays on this crucial topic.
 
The geopolitical calculations over this region are immense, and so far, there is no convincing evidence that Assad indeed used the alleged chemical weapons. A CNN anchor suggested to a so-called political science professor (Arab national) out of Dubai that it is indeed plausible for the chemical weapons to be supplied by countries such as Saudi Arabia, and others opposed to Assad. His response was that the rebels would not use such weapons against their own people. And he calls himself a political science professor!
 
The chemical weapons issue is quite complicated and there are a number of possibilities over who could have been behind its alleged use. If chemical weapons are like bullets, I wonder if it is possible to track the origin of the type used in this alleged attack in Syria. Any views, Kejau, and Khaleel?
 
More fundamentally, another issue for me is why so much emphasis on the alleged use of a weapon that killed 2000 max in a war where an estimated 100,000 perished. Is this not baffling, and why the huge global arsenal of chemical and nuclear weapons?
 
I'm glad the democratic system in the UK forced a climb down by David Cameron yesterday.
 
In the domestic arena, there is no question whatsoever that the US and the UK are among the preeminent democracies of modern times, with governmental systems based on restraint grounded in the rule of law and the separation of powers. There is no such routine respect for legality when it comes to international affairs. Over the past several days, the UK Foreign Secretary consistently argues that with or without the authorisation of the UN Security Council, they will move against Assad. This is quite troubling in the sense they set up the veto and permanent membership system of the Security Council. It is vital that they operate within the constraints of that system, and not use its awesome powers as a double-edged sword. None of these leaders would dare contemplate in the domestic sphere what they are advocating in international affairs!
 
At the very least, the prudent thing to do is wait for the report of the UN mandated weapons inspectors, and in the words of the Secretary General, "give peace a chance" in that process.
 
If the US goes in today, the UK will not join in for a few more days, if at all. I celebrate UK democracy for insisting on verifiable transparency
 
 
 
LJDarbo
 

From: samateh saikou <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thursday, 29 August 2013, 12:20
Subject: Re: [G_L] Obama considers military action against Syria

K,
Just droping few Lines,East Timor and Siera leone conflicts ended not as result of militAry intervension likewise Sudan.the Un has/had a peace mission in the first two,one of which you Your self participated with A full Un mandate not only making it a legal action,but in world opinion too very ligitimate.see i Am not a pasifist ,in my response to brother khaleel i will forward the reason given by Obama as to why he need to act on Syria

Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 12:51:45 +0200
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Thanks Saiks.
As brother Demba said, the results are determined mainly by the nationals and not the liberation aiders. Sierra Leone, East Timor, Sudan, came to mind as success stories.
Kejau


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