Joe,

We are engaged with a bunch of confused idiots thinking that their
understanding of compromise, moving on and what have you is the gospel.  In
the idiotic minds of this lot the likes of you Joe asking questions
tantamounts to division and holding back the fight against Jammeh.  This is
nonsense.

In as much as we want Jammeh out, i will not wait to protect myself from
infectious filth thrown at me in the name of compromise and moving on.  *I
refuse to be part of those repeating history in its undesired form.
Remember in our desire to see the PPP and Jawara out of power, we failed to
develop a robust democratic dispensation to talk truth to each other and
thus ended up having a monster usurp power; since then Gambians are dealing
with a nightmare that refuses to go.  *To me the hypocritical call for
decorum is part of the problem we face.

It is very strange when the loud mouths on these online forums and
"Jukeboxes"  spend their time doubting the integrities of the established
soldiers in the line of fire, to come and tell us that putting the record
straight about 'turn coats' and 'enblers' like A S Janneh, Sidi Sanneh,
Sedat Jobe, Buba Baldeh and Co is about chasing them from the opposition to
Jammeh.

It is a lie and utter rubbish and i will continue to call it what it is.
Let them call it venom, rudeness, spoiling the debate or whatever. I hope
we are not in this to be liked just for the sake of it.   For me i am not
involve in any debate, i am exercising my democratic right to state to  the
obvious.

Nonsense! How on earth can one let the likes of Mathew K Jallow, whenever
he desires attacks anyone then turn around to tell us that his friends are
the best thing Gambia ever had. And, you have lemmings competing to tell us
that, Oh! please let us move and energise the fight against Jammeh.

The fight against Jammeh is alive and well. if these bunch don't know.
Jammeh will go as soon as we're ready to face difficult questions about
ourselves.

Joe, keep up the spirit.

Merry Christmas and happy new year.

Best regards,
Mboge




On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>  Yero, thanks for your response. Yes, anytime a loved one is not allowed
> to be seen by these people you know they are doing harm to the person the
> reason why they do not want folks to see the damage they are doing or have
> done. My questions were not to you personally, nor were they for
> diasporans. Those questions were directed at those on the ground,
> especially those that wear the cloak of holier than thou. Folks in that
> country pride themselves as more pious than pious. Now, how come the person
> that led them every day is nabbed and everyone is about their business but
> the business of their Imam? Is this another one of those Allah knows best?
> It is the hypocrisy of our people that I was questioning. I am not a muslim
> but common sense tells me if my Imam is nabbed by a criminal and we all
> know what could happen to him, the congregation of the faithful should rise
> up and that nonsense will be nabbed at the bud. Can you do that in Senegal
> and that government survive a day (not the case of Bethou, he was accessory
> to murder)? No. And so we run around show casing our piety, but can never
> see nor hear evil.  Transitioning from the Imams and their congregation to
> the Clergy. Where is their faith? Most of these guys grew up and ran the
> streets with Imam Leigh in socialization circles aback in the day and they
> know what is happening to him is wrong and should speak up. Their silence
> speaks volume. Where is their faith? I see them organize this and that
> interfaith dialogue and where it counts the most - caring for your fellow
> human you see no evil and hear no evil. This is where I am headed Yero. You
> will agree with me that those that can put an end to this injustice right
> now as I write are minutes away from Mile Two. Now, if you believe it is
> more effective from five thousand miles outside I cannot argue over that.
> Diasporans have been doing doing what they can do for their country the
> last fifteen years, yet, folks are murdered, tortured, nabbed, shot at,
> etc. That abuse will never stop for the action that needs to stop it is
> right there and as long as they claim that "Human Rights and Civil Rights"
> dont feed them, it will be business as usual. Yesterday it was Chief Manneh
> and others, today it is Imam Leigh, tomorrow might be a relative, brother,
> or sister near you.
>
> As to your indirect reference to Amadou, I believe you know what needs to
> be done. None is stopping nor can we stop anyone from standing up. We some
> of us are demanding is that before any shrub stands up to want to lead us,
> they first have to explain their actions and I do not have to bore folks
> with that track record. If you say you are neutral and do not belong to any
> group, how come I am not reading any where, where you wrote to Amadou to
> tell him the basics of common sense - that after he sold his soul, the
> right thing to do is to fess up first and before he tells us about how Yaya
> (not that there is new science in that anyway) is, we need to know about
> him first. But to be an opportunist and took off only to run back still an
> opportunist and have the nerve to think that you should be seen as
> someone's leader is the height of arrogance. If you are not here to lead
> anyone, then why do you want to be our face? Why take such a face that Yaya
> discarded to fight Yaya and expect to be taken seriously? Now, Amadou being
> part of CCG what has that to do with folks that are nabbed in Gambia? He
> was there when folks were being murdered and nothing happened. So, he being
> in Atlanta or Dakar makes no difference. Seriously, we need to stop this
> messiah syndrome. This is why we have our share of dictators in Africa
> because for some reason we always think that one person is it and without
> him the end is near. Reminds me when Jawara set the scheme to entrap his
> suspects by  announcing his retirement. Legend has it that many a Alaghi
> lost their Kala for rolling on the ground, "Nore Paabi, Dun Kor Have" in a
> trance. We have far too many credible folks to choose from, why should we
> dumb down our standards? Why? Apparently all those that came here to tell
> us this is not about leadership were not either in the know, or were being
> deceptive. For, Matthew spelt out that Amadou will lead us whether we like
> it or not. If any is going to lend their name or integrity to something, be
> very mindful that it is something that is worth it. Your integrity is all
> you have and without it all is lost.
>
> "Joe, we are all citizens. Let us make the best out of these forums with
> a view for scrutiny, accountability, and points taking rather than having
> to see any debate get flamed by unnecessary venoms."
>
> Yero, what do you mean by the above? It appears you are speaking about
> those that do not agree with your position, no? So, can you please clarify
> for me who these people are and we can discuss further.
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe
> ------------------------------
> From: [log in to unmask]
> To: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [>-<] RE: [G_L] Imam Baba Leigh: The Compassionate Letter
> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 21:08:02 -0600
>
>
>
> Joe:
>
> These are genuine questions and thanks for your rejoinders as always.
> Before getting into it, it might interest you to hear some live updates
> about the Imam. Minnesota civil rights group just concluded its meeting
> about three (3) hours ago. It was purposely conducted to see what action
> Gambians and their friends can take. We also had a conference call with a
> prominent family member of the arrested Imam (Baba Leigh) in the Gambia on
> the phone. From his updates, the Imam is still kept incommunicado. No one
> is allowed to see him. Now that leaves a lot of speculations about his
> fate. I don't trust this administration and their track record as I keep
> crying is very dirty. We certainly came up with certain actionable items.
> We are happy to put that to action in conjunction with what other groups
> are doing in different states of the US.
>
>
> Joe, you asked about the whereabouts of these special class people if you
> like. Personally, as an ordinary citizen who doesn't belong to any class, I
> worry more about what is within my reach and power that I can extend
> sincerely to our nation and its people especially the oppressed and
> suffering masses. Belonging to former US President JFK's school of thought,
> thus "ask not what your country can do for you; but what you can do for
> your country." What I am trying to say Joe is the fact that we must
> certainly realize by now that some of these folks you are asking for do not
> have the same thoughts or believes that you and I have. You do not expect
> that they will fight the fight you expect them to fight. I am sorry but I
> thought that you know more than that. That is level I am at.
>
>
> Joe, where this now leads us to: Do you see it genuine then to welcome
> those that are ready to fight with us? I am not looking for anyone to
> confuse my points as it is so common for anyone to just get away with any
> little part to fume these forums or to make certain people the supporters
> of those who once worked with Jawara or Jammeh. Clearly, I do not belong to
> any group. I am an independent person and for the most part while stance is
> different but again it doesn’t mean I am holding brief. Needless to
> mention, I am equally disappointment lately of some of the tendencies I saw
> from many people I held so high in this struggle of ours, especially with
> the defensive nature leading to even getting dirty in this debate. I will
> be the last person to discourage anyone from debating so again the whole
> issue is not about not wanting to see people being “scrutinized” and
> “accounted”. I see some of the problems being pointed out on the other
> side, but I keep asking, what prescription do we have for a sick person
> already? I would expect a doctor will heal the sick rather than sitting
> there blaming him for eating dirty germs that made him sick or having sex
> with another person that transmitted HIV AIDS to him.
>
>
> Joe, I have a dream that our winning formula against tyranny is unity,
> compromise, fighting together, and letting some of things come later. If we
> fail to do this, we must be ready for the long hours of oppression ahead.
> We must design a winning formula. I am calling for rewarding criminals but
> I am asking for a system where we can all unite to fight the common enemy
> and such a system must not marginalize anyone.
>
>
> In the end, some of the folks' whereabouts you are asking might not be far
> from our reach but if we continue to be intolerant and not welcoming like
> some of the threatening tendencies I have seen, I am afraid, you and I
> might be lonely fighters because I don't know about any other person, but
> personally this is life and death for me. I will fight in secrete and I
> will fight in the open. I will not worry about who is folding their hands
> though again it touches my emotions but like the many who wants to do their
> little, I will do it with them.
>
>
> Joe, we are all citizens. Let us make the best out of these forums with a
> view for scrutiny, accountability, and points taking rather than having to
> see any debate get flamed by unnecessary venoms.
>
>
> I understand that you are in Mauritania. I tried calling your magic jack
> number to no success. I appreciate your steadfastness and being there for
> the struggle for the longest. My best of regards to your entire family and
> I wish you a holiday full of love and blessings.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>  Yero
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:46:41 -0600
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [G_L] Imam Baba Leigh: The Compassionate Letter
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>  Yero, the larger question around this saga is where are "the faithful", -
> his congregation? What do they believe in? If an Imam's rights are being
> trampled upon with not a muscle twitching, what chance does the ordinary
> Gambian without a following have? Under such circumstances, what does their
> core belief inform? Where are his fellow Imams, his counterparts in the
> Church, etc., forget the average Joe for a second? What do they believe in?
> Their actions speak volumes. So, what do our people believe in? Daily bread
> I suppose!
>
> Joe
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:52:26 -0600
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [G_L] Imam Baba Leigh: The Compassionate Letter
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>  Imam Baba Leigh: The Compassionate Letter
>
> http://caelos.com/gainako/?p=1613
>
> Folks,
>
> I am personally glad to see many continuing to add their voices on Imam
> Baba Leigh. As of yesterday, a friend updated me that the Imam is
> hospitalized and families/friends are not allowed to see him. It is
> suspicious to say the least. While we have heard conflicting theories about
> him being tortured or not, I am getting more worried about the Imam's fate.
> I don't trust Jammeh and his terror administration. That is not because I
> despise them. It is because their track record is what I go by. Moreover, a
> citizen arrested and kept incomminicadoo without being charged within the
> constitution's stipulation is a serious violation of his right. That is
> torture in no small way. The Gambia has come to live under a horrible
> nightmare and it is time for all citizens to make their voices heard by
> which ever means available to them.
>
> Please pass around this letter from Habib and you can possibly inspire
> thousand others.
>
> Best regards,
> Yero
>
>
>
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