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Hello Rene,
 
I have always admired your tone. I thank you for this amicus of PDOIS and  
your efforts to yield PDOIS a good turn always. That is all that can be 
expected  of a partisan.
 
Although I am convinced PDOIS has more significant issues to dispense with  
than the ambiguity in her name, I will share some ideas with you on 
socialism  hoping you can share it with PDOIS. This is because it is the Socialism 
you have  addressed here.
 
The acronym PDOIS = Parti Democratique Pour L'independence et  socialisme.
 
Now in an English speaking country, a political party generally chooses  
acronyms that portray her name in English. If we translate PDOIS in English, 
it  will be:
 
Democratic Party for Independence and Socialism.
 
And the acronym will have been DPIS, SPID, DIPS, or any permutation  
thereof.
 
You could say that PDOIS could come up with no English acronym that is  
easier on the tongue of the voter so they had to go to the French language to  
develop PDOIS. ANd it is pronounced Doy. Now think about this for a minute. 
For  the large majority of Gambians, pronunciation of PDOIS (Doy) presents 
enormous  difficulties, much more than for instance SOPI-D or SPOD or PODI. 
This is where  PDOIS' first problem was. It appeared to many Gambians that 
PDOIS was an idea  hatched from Senegal (they had Parti Socialiste in Senegal) 
and given Halifa's  education and time in Senegal, it became apparent that 
the Gambians perceived  PDOIS speaking to the people of Senegal. Now you 
could dismiss this perception  outright, I am just here to share some ideas 
with you that were prevalent when I  first heard about PDOIS and that was in 
1981. And if you dismiss it as  insignificant, you will agree with me that for 
an English  speaking population that is barely literate in English, the 
idea of a  political party with a French name, is a bit condescending or 
inconsiderate at  the very least. I hope you can yield value from this.
 
The second idea I wish to share with you and PDOIS, is that Socialism, by  
its very nature is country or community-specific. There are no various  
definitions of socialism. There is only one definition of socialism which is  
what was construed by the originators of the idea. Remmember, socialism is a  
heavily-debated concept, which material and its permutations you can find in 
the  treatises Marx, Engel, et al...... Therefore, I discourage you and 
PDOIS from  re-defining socialism. You will come to realise that socialism is 
not bad for  any community, what is significant is how you apply it in your 
community. That  is what the originators of the idea advised. And the fact 
that PDOIS chose to  include it in their name to follow the word Independence, 
is very significant.  Each community has her own construct of socialism but 
not a different  definition. And because PDOIS is a political party, 
intending as it were, to  persuade Gambians to vote them in governance, it would 
be a no-brainer that  PDOIS ought to tailor her message, whatever they are, 
to Gambians. I hope you  and PDOIS take this under counsel. It is the Gambian 
voter's understanding of  Socialism that PDOIS must accept and embrace. Not 
the other way round. In other  words, PDOIS is not free to re-define 
socialism, and then require Gambian voters  to accept that definition. I think you 
understand what I'm saying. I hope you  work on that. When you embark on 
re-defining an idea that was initiated by  other, you have just set yourself 
back decades to begin again. Gambia is a  dynamic community. Perhaps, this is 
the most significant error of PDOIS. They  are playing catch-up to the 
other political parties in Gambia.
 
Remmember, I said PDOIS has other more significant issues besides name and  
communication. That is not to say these tow are not vital. It sets the tone 
for  PDOIS' anticipated dynamism when addressed.
 
Thank you Rene for you. Have you ever heard a Gambian say "PDOIS is too  
rigid", or "PDOIS is inflexible"? It is this socialism ideology which even 
given  PDOIS' magnanimous efforts to escape from, remains PDOIS' intrinsic 
philosophy.  WHat that does to PDOIS is that they are so certain of the enormous 
values of  socialism, they are perplexed as to why Gambians don't see them 
the way they  wish to portray themselves. At the end of the day, PDOIS is in 
the business to  earn votes with the hope of governing Gambia according to 
established socialist  dogma. Please forget the sovereignty and 
consciousness bits that you are  hardpressed to peddle. Sovereignty and consciousness 
are the purview of the  citizen. Not a political party.The party does what we 
the citizens tell it to  do. NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND. I am always offended 
when PDOISards pretend that  they know what is good for me and my fellow 
citizens, instead of embrace what we  tell them we desire. Take this to heart. 
Halifa is only a phlange of the PDOIS  philosophy. ANd I sincerely feel sorry 
for the man. He is on a personal mission  however and he cannot be faulted 
for that. He pursues his mission and PDOIS'  mission with enviable passion 
and he must be commended for that. It is for  PDOISards however to appreciate 
him or guide him in propriety.
 
Haruna.
 
 
In a message dated 2/19/2010 3:11:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[log in to unmask] writes:

Yanks,
The problem is, most of the  people who talk about PDOIS 
negatively are so fixated on the Socialism in  its acronym, that they 
tend to ascribe positions or infer ideas and  thoughts to them that they 
do not hold.

In all the years I have followed PDOIS's writings and speeches, 
you can  hardly hear or see the word Socialism featured prominently in 
its  narrative. And this is for a good measure; because what some tend 
to  understand about Socialism, and the principles of socialism that 
PDOIS  wanted to assimilate are two different things. Remember, some of 
the  principles of socialism are being assimilated in the most 
capitalist  oriented economies. No wonder some people are accusing 
Barack Obama of  being a socialist or couuminst.

Thus the focus for  PDOIS was, and still is,  primarily on its 
agenda; its aims and  objectives; its programs and the principles that 
guide its conduct and  actvities. I would want to belief that any 
serious critic would take issue  with its  agenda; its  aims and 
objectives and its programs  rather than to cast aspersons;  or 
denigrade the immense  contributions they have made,.which give  impetus 
to some of the  political thought that has shaped, and continue to shape 
our discourse on  politics.

Long before PDOIS was born, and  at a time when few knew or 
understand what is in our constiution, a  pamphlet entitled: "The Gambia 
In Chains" was being circulated and gained  prominence among students 
and young people. Most of the young people at  the time started to take 
interest in politics.

Thereafter, for the first time in Gambian history, for it has 
never been  done by the Jawara regime, a group of people take it upon 
themselves to  explain what is a sovereign republic; what are the 
provisions in our  constitution and how they empowered the people to 
elect representatives;  they explain our system of taxation and the 
country's indebtedness which  also contributed to the poverty of the 
people.

Thus began the genesis of the political awakening, that has become 
the  hallmark of PDOIS.

The concept, the mission and vision  that I have enumerated, and 
which Haruna has identified as universal  ideals, are the bedrock that 
has always been consistent with the party's  platform. .

Rene







-----Original Message-----
From: yanks  dabo <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent:  Thu, Feb 18, 2010 7:08 pm
Subject: FW: Let us turn a new page

Rene  wrote:

"Trust me, I feel uncomfortable to belabor this issue  any
further; but, if the knowledge base is ideological, it has never  been
baseless. It is premise on sound intellectual  reasoning".

Rene, to start with, i must disappoint you that i  can't trust you, 
since
i don't know you. Secondly,  you can't be  serious that these borrowed
political sound bites that even the APRC shared  in its political 
manifesto,
is the founding ideology of the  PDOIS.

Furthermore, you must be kidding to think that you can select  words 
from
your dictionary or present your view of the PDOIS as the  founding 
ideology
of the PDOIS.

So save the rethoric that  the PDOIS "started with a concept; the idea
of a sovereign Gambian identity  that goes far beyond the frontiers of
our partisan or ethnic dispositions,  to carve the destiny of a nation 
that
we all proudly call our  home".

Less you failed to acknowledge, the Gambia had already gained  it
sovereign identity that goes far beyond the frontiers of our  partisan
or ethnic dispositions, well before the minds behind PDOIS had  started
their brainstorming. And that ideology had been the golden  principle
of the Jawara regime. So save me the deja  vu.

"Second, it has a mission to awaken the conscience, and  arouse
the intellectual curiosity and consciousness of our soverieign  Gambian
reality; so much so that we will be able to fathom not only with  what
is wrong with what we do, but also how best we can do it better".  Rene

In other words a repetition of the above, except that the concept  had
grown into a mission.

"Third, it has a vision to build a  strong democractic culture;
promote the rule of law; civil liberties;  freedom of speech and
expression; independence of the judiciary and  legislature; a viable and
sound economic policy and a political structure  the engenders
presidential term limits, and give opportunity to every  Gambian to
serve his/her country on the basis of what he or she can  deliver,
rather that what or where he or she belongs". Rene

This  third submission goes at length to prove my point that
you are not really  expressing the ideology of the PDOIS;
but that of the founding principles  of the American constitutions.
The S' in PDOIS stands for Socialism, yet  you seemed to have forgotten
every bit of policies pertinent to the  socialist agenda; instead you 
seemed
to have copied a passage from  Barack Obama's speech and claimed it as
the founding ideology of the PDOIS  of the Gambia. 

Rene, you indeed have not stated the PDOIS  ideology yet, which
i as i have stated before is baseless.

Try  harder next time, Rene.

I'm not fooled.

Nemesis  Yanks




> -----Original Message-----
> From: yanks  dabo <[log in to unmask]>
> To:  [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2010 6:27 pm
>  Subject: Re: Let us turn a new page
>
>  
> Rene  wrote:
>  
> "There has been a consistent knowledge base in  the approach that 
PDOIS
> sympathizers address issues; and it all  falls within the contours 
of
> what PDOIS has 
> been  arguing for years. That is why it would be difficult to 
separate
>  how Halifa thinks with what Modou writes".
>  
> I hope  with hindsight the PDOIS would have detached itselves from  
such
> a baseless
> ideological knowledge base, that yielded  no fruit for the 
party, except
> to boost egos
> of  certain individuals in it into thinking that they masters of 
the
>  earth!
>  
> Furthermore, the only reason why one can't  separate the thinking 
of
> Halifa and Modou
> Nyang is that  both have proven to be very deceitful with truth.  
Where
> as Halifa 
> misrepresented elections  figures to prove his point; Modou Nyang
> misrepresented 
>  Halifa into some hero like person, who saved the Gambians  
from Yahya
> Jammeh's
> witch hunters. When that has not  been the truth.
>  
> I still can't believe that this  Nyang Mr stated what he stated. In 
fact
>  since Jammeh pardon
> Halifa about the witch craft saga  issue, the topic had become a 
taboo
> for Halifa, until
>  Mr Nyang started it. Yet Nyang misrepresented him as the  hero who 
saved
> the day. 
>  
> Even  that truth about Nyang, you folks wish to see him as some  
hero
> presenting the the
> truth here.
>  
>  You guys must be kidding! 
>  
> Nyang is a liar,  simple!
>  
> Nemesis Yanks 
>  
>  
>  
> > Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:06:25  -0500
> > From: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Let us  turn a new page
> > To: [log in to unmask]
>  >
> > Bailo,
> > I have had a series of private exchanges  with Modou, and I can
> > also detect his sharp intellect and wit. It  is not 
surprising,
> though,
> > given that he has been a  journalist with foroyaa. There has 
been a
> > consistent  knowledge base in the approach that PDOIS 
sympathizers
> >  address issues; and it all falls within the contours of what 
PDOIS
>  has
> > been arguing for years. That is why it would be difficult  to
> separate
> > how Halifa thinks with what Modou  writes.
> >
> > Rene
> >
> > -----Original  Message-----
> > From: bailo jallow  <[log in to unmask]>
> > To:  [log in to unmask]
> > Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2010 1:45  pm
> > Subject: Re: Let us turn a new page
> >
> >  Modou,
> >
> > I ought to point out that you are so  articulate in your
> contributions
> > that some of our fellow  G-Lers think that Halifa is the one
> writing for
> > you. It  is really funny. That's a credit for you. Keep it up.
> >
>  > I also highly appreciate your role of sharing with us Foroyaa
>  articles
> > that ever focus on pertinent Gambian issues.
>  >
> > Finally, I must also commend you for not reciprocating  
against the
> > Halifa-haters by bashing their preferred  candidate. That said,
> > everybody reserves the right  
to...................................
> >
> >  Bailo
> >
> > --- On Wed, 17/2/10, Modou Nyang  
<[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> >  From: Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Re:  Let us turn a new page
> > To: [log in to unmask]
>  > Date: Wednesday, 17 February, 2010, 18:07
> >
> > Koto  Bailo, thanks again for your wise counsel. This approach 
is
>  not
> > the most desirable especially at this time and period of  our
> troubles.
> > Nonetheless, sometimes trashing out issues  is necessary in an
> attempt
> > to find a common ground. What  i am doing now is the least i 
had
> > expected to be involved in  rather it is the opposite that
> interests me
> > the  most.
> > However, i cannot just watch a gang of few spreading lies  and
> rumours
> > in such respectable foras with many a senior  citizens of 
ours. And
> to
> > your question, NO, i do not  see my self as having any 
influence in
> any
> > decision  whatsoever at this period. I just happen to have 
some
>  opposing
> > views to what is being paraded as the best solution to  our
> problem. 
> > May be i am wrong too.
>  >
> > Nyang
> >
> > --- On Wed, 2/17/10, bailo  jallow 
<[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
>  > From: bailo jallow <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject:  Re: Let us turn a new page
> > To:  [log in to unmask]
> > Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010,  11:22 AM
> >
> > Gentlemen,
> >
> > I  don't know whether you realised that you are still going 
round
>  in
> > circles. If a united opposition stance against the  
dictatorship
> > depended on you, then the dictator is at greatly  at ease. 
Please
> tell
> > me you have near zero influence  in this regard.
> >
> > While you are still going round and  round, the incumbent is 
busy
> > misusing our public funds buying  the loyalty of unsuspecting
> Gambian
> > voters. Please let us  instead give emphasis to alerting our
> friends and
> >  relatives that all these donations by the dictator is merely 
to
>  buy to
> > entrench his tyranny over Gambians. Abdoukarim, you and  Banka 
need
> to
> > work on Brufut.
> >
>  > I could already hear some political pundit telling us that  
since
> any
> > future Government in the Gambia is likely  to resort to such
> tactics
> > albeit on a lower scale, then  it is no big deal. It is indeed 
a
> big
> > deal.
>  >
> > All said and done, it remains the right of every qualified  
Gambian
> who
> > wishes to contest for political office to  do so. Therefore no
> person
> > should be maligned into  supporting another's candidate. That's
> > coercion! It is both  uncivilised and unacceptable. I expect 
the
> > leadership of the  UDP or NADD alliances not to resort to or 
fall
> for
> >  this.
> >
> > Halifa is not the barrier to the realisation  of Ousainou's
> presidential
> > ambitions, nor is Ousainou the  obstacle to the fulfilment of
> Halifa's
> > Agenda 2011. Let  us therefore stop feigning that such is the 
case.
> >
>  > Finally, I urge you all to leave my niece, Kumba Gaye out of  
this
> > discussion; she is just 12 and have no interest,  whatsoever in
> > politics. Let the writer try another  pen-name.
> >
> > Bailo
> >
> >
>  > --- On Wed, 17/2/10, yanks dabo <[log in to unmask]>
>  wrote:
> >
> > From: yanks dabo  <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Re: Let us turn a new  page
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Date:  Wednesday, 17 February, 2010, 13:25
> >
> >
> >  Suntu
> >  
> > Who does this Modou Nyang thinks he is;  asking you to 
call "Darboe
> and
> > ask him
>  > whether they have reached the decision that the only alliance  
he
> Darboe
> > and the
> > UDP would be a part of  is one which endorses his candidature 
for
> the
> >  2011
> > Presidential elections". 
> >  
>  > Maaaaaaaaaan!!! Tell this Ndokey Nyang not to play with us!  
Who
> does he
> > thinks
> > we are; his errand  boys!!
> >  
> > As for his claim that he  wants "to be fair to the UDP 
leadership.
> I
> > know  they are
> > matured people and know what is at stake. We are dealing  with 
the
> > future of the
> > Gambia and I do not want  to judge the UDP by the words of its
> > sycophants".
> >  
> > He seems too late for to reckon that fact, as he had  already
> > been unfair to the UDP
> > leadership and  judged the UDP leadership in his reaction to 
the
> UDP
>  > UK's rejoinder.
> > Less that reaction had not been written by  Nyang but by his 
Halifa
> > Sallah; to make
> > him  not to realise his errors.
> >  
> > One other  point for Mr Nyang, is that we wait for his article
> about  why
> > UDP's strategy 
> > will fail, which he  promised to publish on Freedomnewspaper. 
I'm
> sure
> > his  knows it will
> > no go unchallenged.
> >  
>  >  
> > Yanks
> >  
> >  
>  >  
> >  
> >  
> > Date: Wed, 17  Feb 2010 09:07:24 +0000
> > From: [log in to unmask]
>  > Subject: Re: Let us turn a new page
> > To:  [log in to unmask]
> >
> > Suntou, one more thing  before I come Daffeh’s way. This just 
came
> to me
> >  while scribbling in response to Sonny. Because you are the
>  coordinator,
> > I saw your photo with Darboe during his visit to the  UK, you 
look
> good
> > bro, however that still does not  make put you in major 
decision
> making
> > position in the  party especially with regards to opposition 
unity.
> > And when I  wrote to Uncle Haruna the following: "If you want 
to be
> >  Darboe’s Press Secretary could you give us the UDP position 
on the
>  way
> > forward instead of pouring venom on Halifa for being bold  
enough
> to
> > come up with concrete proposals?", Yanks  tried to take 
ownership
> of it.
> > But I am not  interested in his ranting but only for the part 
he
> quoted
>  > Daffeh as thus: "Halifa Sallah and his PDOIS Party should put
>  their
> > personal pride, egos and idealism aside and immediately  
embrace a
> UDP
> > led alliance without any obnoxious  precondition whatsoever". 
This
> is
> > where I want to  tackle Daffeh.
> >
> > But before that I need your help  first. I  want to be fair to 
the
> UDP
> > leadership.  I know they are matured people and know what is 
at
> stake.
>  > We are dealing with the future of the Gambia and I do not 
want  to
> judge
> > the UDP by the words of its sycophants. Before I  write I 
would
> want you
> > to call Darboe and ask him  whether they have reached the 
decision
> that
> > the only  alliance he Darboe and the UDP would be a part of is 
one
>  which
> > endorses his candidature for the 2011 Presidential  elections.
> >
> > I am still not convinced that the UDP  leadership will be 
calling
> on
> > people to give it money  so that it prepares for failure. That 
is
> > political suicide  and any body who helps them in that venture 
must
> be
> >  seen to be either driven by nepotism, tribalism or 
opportunism.
>  Only
> > people who are infected with such disease could reason in  the
> > irrational manner Sonny Daffeh chose to do. The issue that  
the UDP
> > Sycophants refuse to look at is how to bring about  change.
> >
> > Suntou, please do this for the sake of our  country. I know 
you
> were
> > with Darboe not long ago but  you can talk to him again at 
least
> one
> > more time.  Agreed? Good, and thank you. I will be expecting 
you
>  within
> > the next 24 hours to give a reply and I will then prove to  
you
> that it
> > is the positions you take which makes  Agenda 2011 the best 
option
> > available so far for those who  want change.
> >
> > That is why you are focusing on hate  messages against Halifa 
and
> not
> > showing why the  agenda is unworkable. I am using my real name 
but
> you
> >  people are hiding to a point of using the name Kumba Gaye to
>  attack  me
> > for exposing the bankruptcy of your  position.
> >
> > Nyang     
> >
> > --- On Mon, 2/15/10, suntou  touray 
<[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
>  > From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject:  Re: Let us turn a new page
> > To:  [log in to unmask]
> > Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 8:50  PM
> >
> > Modou, I can see that you are desperate to tag me  with every
> negative
> > jargon. Bring them on. What you are  failing to notice is 
that, the
> way
> > UDP dominate in  terms of support on the ground, is the same 
right
> where
>  > you are. So hold your horse on the negativity, it doesn't  
bother
> me.
> > KKK, we know who the real ones are.Suntou  and his UDP fellow
> members
> > are focus on what matters,  exposing the dubious political
> propaganda by
> > Halifa is  just a small part of our work. Don't get affected 
to the
> >  level you are willing to stoop low as some of your coward
>  colleagues.
> > Halifa should also stop writing stuffs for you,  people can 
tell
> the
> > difference. It is making me  cringe, in as much as wish to see 
him
> do
> > the right  thing, taking unnecessary disastrous route is 
something
> i
>  > don’t recommend he will do.Wherever Suntou is confirmed a  
KKK,
> Modou
> > Nayan and his friends will be loyal  members too.Too cheap
> friendSuntou 
> > On Mon, Feb 15,  2010 at 6:35 PM, Modou Nyang
> > <[log in to unmask]>  wrote:
> > Uncle Haruna, I got you loud and clear. You do not want to  
wade
> into
> > political mathematics and you are not the  Press Secretary of 
the
> UDP.
> > There is nothing for us  to debate. I will then go back to the 
UK
> club.
>  >
> > However I must tell you that I have noticed in your writing  
that
> there
> > is a generation gap between us. This is  why you cannot 
identify
> some of
> > my cultural  symbolism's. Even though it is out of place for a
> nephew to
>  > give advise to an uncle I do see the desire in you to do  
something
> > constructive for the Gambia. I therefore hope that  you will 
give
> up the
> > posture which gives you the  image of a person who want to be 
on
> top of
> > every body  else.
> >
> > I really could not understand what problem you  have in the
> provisions
> > of the constitution being  disseminated in a practical and 
relevant
> way
> > ad  infinitum. It is our national document and we need to know 
it
>  to
> > promote the rule of law. I also could not understand why you  
felt
> that
> > those who give birth to educated children  cannot understand
> government
> > budgets if explained in  their own language. The problem of 
the
> Gambia
> > is not  the people but those who claim to know but are 
illiterates
>  in
> > our local languages. Hence they cannot communicate what they  
have
> > learned to the grass-roots.
> >
> >  Certain kinds of information are meant for the goose and 
another
>  to the
> > gander. I certainly wanted to challenge you on your  comments
> regarding
> > the Brufut donations but now I think I  will leave you alone.
> However, I
> > will not close my  chapter with you for the moment without
> expressing my
> >  disappointment at your comment that you did not read Agenda 
2011
>  but
> > used it as toilet paper.
> >
> > Please  don’t be a partner to Suntou’s friend whose 
Ku-Klux-Clan
>  and
> > Rush Limburg attitude is so full of hate and prejudice that  
does
> not
> > allow him to see good in anyone who does not  bow down to his
> wishes.
> > Uncle Haruna  Halifa and  those in their fifties belong to the 
last
> > group of the   generation of people who have now reached 
retirement
> age
>  > and you the people  in your 40s (am guessing, as you informed  
me
> that
> > Sam was your teacher) belong to the first  group who should be
> leading
> > our generation. I feel  ashamed that those of us in our 30s 
could
> be
> > reading  such vulgar words from people who should be our role
> models.
>  >
> > You must promise that any time you  speak again you  will do 
so as
> a
> > responsible elder who aims to inspire  the generation just 
after
> you. If
> > we follow the  footsteps of Suntu and the haters Gambia is in
> trouble
> >  for a long time to come. I will now devote my time to them to
>  prevent
> > them from misleading themselves since they can mislead no  
other
> person
> > in the world. There intolerance is  already becoming apparent. 
Even
> > Jeggan is now PDOIS even  though he is advocating for a 
primary
> that
> > include  people who are not members of political parties. What
> could be
>  > more democratic than that? To them it must be their leader or  
no
> one
> > else. We are now beginning to see who the real  sycophants are.
> >
> > Nyang
> >
> > ---  On Mon, 2/15/10, Haruna Darbo 
<[log in to unmask]>
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Haruna Darbo  <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Re: Let us turn a new  page
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> >
> >  Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 1:24 PM
> >
> >
>  > Yanks, Thanx for sharing. Although I don't know the man, but  
I
> liken
> > Daffeh to Carl Rove and James Carville. The  man is simply
> excellent.
> > You would wish UDP/NRP had a  1000 Daffehs, Karambas, SUntous,
> Ansus,
> > and  Yankses.
> >  
> > Aaaaaaallleeeeeh! Haruna.
>  >
> > ----Original Message-----
> > From: yanks dabo  <[log in to unmask]>
> > To:  [log in to unmask]
> > Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2010 12:40  pm
> > Subject: Re: Let us turn a new page
> >
>  >
> >  
> > For the attention of Modou Nyang, Pa  Samba Jow (Coach), 
Halifa
> Sallah,
> > and the rest of the  anti-UDP
> > Movement!
> > I bring to your attention  this article culled from
> freedomnewspaper,
> > though with a  slight change to its heading!
> >  
> >  NADD Should Have Done Better
> >  
> > By Sonny  Daffeh, UK  
> > Mr Editor,
> > Please allow me space  to respond to Jeggan Grey-Johnson’s 
article
> of
> > 9th  February 2010 which was published in your well 
established
>  medium
> > under the heading; ‘‘Agenda 2011; The Opposition Leaders  Must 
Do
> the
> > Right Thing.’’
> >  
> > While I agree that the opposition should get it right this  
time
> around,
> > I do not however agree that Agenda 2011  is the right basis 
for
> this.
> > This is an ill-conceived  theory that was propounded by a
> disingenuous
> > political  ideologue on the basis of two premises namely; that 
the
>  NADD
> > alliance did not work because it was unable to gather  
significant
> > amount of votes in the 2006 presidential  elections, and also 
that
> the
> > UDP led alliance did not  work because it had registered a 
drop in
> votes
> > from  their 2001 electoral standing. While I agree with the 
former,
>  I
> > beg to differ with the latter. That premise is not only  
flawed, it
> is
> > also fraught with the propounder's very  own personal 
prejudice
> against
> > a possible UDP led  alliance in 2011.
> >  
> > Although, it is true that  the UDP registered a drop in votes 
from
> their
> > 2001  standing, this however cannot be attributed to the type 
of
> >  alliance [party led alliance] they adopted in 2006. As was 
rightly
>  > indicated in the UDP- UK rejoinder of 1st February 2010,  
UDP’s
> drop in
> > votes resulted from two things; their  own lack of adequate
> preparation
> > thanks to their prior  membership of NADD, and the 
unprecedented
> low
> > voter  turnout [58.58%] that was witnessed in 2006 which when
>  compared
> > to the 2001 voter turn-out [89.71%], indicates a drop of  
31.13%
> and
> > this is notwithstanding the fact that the  national voter 
register
> had
> > been updated with 219,630  new voters in 2006. Going by the 
results
> of
> > 2006  presidential election, it doesn’t appear that these 
voters
>  had
> > voted for a different party rather than the UDP. They just  
didn’t
> vote.
> > Otherwise, why is it that NADD barely  crossed over the 5%
> threshold?
> >  
> > Some  might argue that the low voter turn-out was a direct 
result
>  of
> > opposition disunity.  While this may be true, it does not  
however
> lend
> > any credence to Agenda 2011 as there is  no evidence which 
suggests
> that
> > this was a  specifically directed protest against the UDP led
> alliance.
>  > Even if the connection between opposition disunity and the  
voter
> > turn-out is validly made and I am not saying it is not,  it 
would
> appear
> > that the situation would still have  been the same 
irrespective of
> > whatever type of alliance any  party might have chosen to 
adopt, be
> it
> > party led  alliance, the so-called umbrella party or indeed a 
grand
> >  coalition. Therefore, it is not the nature of party led 
alliance
>  that
> > is the issue here but the factors that inhibited the  
realisation
> of its
> > full potentials in 2006. That is  what folks with genuine 
interest
> in
> > opposition unity  want to talk about, not some kind of 
superficial
> > political  theories that are specifically invented to 
circumvent
> the
>  > rules of conventional politics in furtherance of a particular
>  > individual’s selfish agenda. A grand coalition as spelled-out  
in
> Agenda
> > 2011 is pretty much akin to the NADD  coalition - the only
> difference
> > being the name - and  would be vitiated with the same problems 
that
> > eventually led  to the breakdown of NADD. Hence, it is not an
> option. It
> >  is just a mere but crude academic exercise. Therefore and 
instead
>  of
> > asking the leaders to commit the same mistake and somehow  
expect a
> > different result or levelling false accusations  against the
> leadership
> > of the United Democratic Party –  accusing them of paying a 
lip
> service
> > to the call for  unity -, Jeggan should have been bold enough 
to
> ask
> >  Halifa Sallah and his PDOIS Party to put their personal 
pride,
>  egos and
> > idealism aside and immediately embrace a UDP led  alliance 
without
> any
> > obnoxious precondition  whatsoever. That is the only thing 
that has
> > never happened  before and it is about time history is made.
> >  
> >  The UDP has proven itself over and over of being the dominant
> force  in
> > Gambia’s opposition politics. Any future alliance/coalition  
of all
> > opposition parties must therefore be built around  them. This 
is a
> > sacred principle of any democratic political  dispensation and 
no
> amount
> > of spinning and hypocrisy  will be allowed to circumvent it. 
The
> earlier
> > the  fringe parties recognise this, the better for our chances 
of
> >  forging a unified alliance of all opposition parties against 
the
>  ruling
> > APRC in 2011. This is not about helping someone to become  an 
elite
> as
> > Halifa would say. It is about adhering to  the rules of
> conventional
> > politics; coalitions are  usually led by the biggest party in 
the
> group.
> >  Jeggan’s suggestion of a primary election as a mechanism for
>  selecting
> > a candidate for a possible coalition of all opposition  
parties is
> both
> > misplaced and untenable. Primaries  are normally an internal 
party
> > contest where individuals  contest for the 
leadership/candidature
> of a
> > given  party in a forthcoming general election. Coalitions of
> >  independent sovereign political parties don’t contest 
primaries to
>  > determine who their leader should be. That is normally  
determined
> by
> > the results of the preceding general  election. This is what 
we
> have
> > seen in Israel,  Germany and Italy just to name a few. There 
is no
> > reason why  this should not apply to the opposition in the 
Gambia.
> > In  2006, 127,473 electorates voted for the opposition 
combined.
> Out  of
> > this, 81% voted for the UDP candidate and 19% for NADD –  the
> so-called
> > PDOIS and PPP-OJ coalition – This exhibits  a clear expressed 
will
> of
> > the Gambian people which is  valid for five years – it expires 
only
> > after the 2011  presidential election – and have therefore
> effectively
> >  rendered the whole idea of a primary utterly obsolete as a
>  legitimate
> > candidate can easily be determined from these  statistics.
> > Jeggan’s claim that PPP-OJ and PDOIS coalition [NADD]  
registered
> an
> > increase of 100% in their 2006 score is  really laughable. I
> couldn’t
> > stop asking myself whether  he is in his trees. This shows 
that our
> dear

> >  friend is detached from both the facts and the political 
reality
>  on the
> > ground. PPP and PDOIS never contested a general election  
together
> as an
> > alliance prior to the 2006  presidential election. Hence, 
there is
> no
> > prior  statistics that could be used to determine whether they 
have
> >  registered an increase or a decrease in 2006. What is however
>  crystal
> > clear is that this alliance or whatever they chose to  call 
it, is
> not
> > fit for purpose for it is an  extremely weak one. Out of
> forty-eight
> > constituencies,  they had 1,000 or more votes in only five
> > constituencies. In  thirty-three constituencies, they had less 
than
> 1000
> >  votes and in ten constituencies less than 100 votes. I see no
>  potential
> > in such a diabolical electoral performance.
>  >  
> > As for who leads the UDP, that is a matter for the  general
> membership
> > and if Jeggan doesn’t like the current  leader, he should join 
the
> party
> > before its upcoming  congress and fight from within. 
Otherwise, he
> > should, frankly  speaking, shut up.
> >  
> >  I hope he will do  more research next time before going to 
the
> press.
> > SS  Daffeh
> > Essex, UK
> >
> >  
> >  Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 09:09:55 +0000
> > From:  [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Let us turn a new  page
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> >
> >  "...The issue is in fact not so much about the figures but the
> >  ludicrous claim that they somehow indicates a manifestation of
> >  electoral shun on the nature of alliances adopted by both 
NADD and
>  UDP
> > led alliance prior to the 2006 presidential election i.e.  
party
> led
> > alliance and the so-called umbrella party.  That is absolute
> nonsense.
> > Although there may have been a  degree of voter discontent over
> > opposition disunity or the  incumbent’s employed harassment and
> > intimidation  tactics,-depending on which side of the story 
you
> want to
>  > believe- there is absolutely no evidence that the low
>  voter-turnout
> > seen in 2006 was as a result of the types of  alliance adopted 
by
> either
> > NADD or the UDP. This  defeats the whole essence of Halifa’s 
agenda
> 2011
> > and  that is exactly what UDP-UK rejoinder was all about..."
> >  
> > Suntou, with your above statement I am done with you and  your
> other two
> > guys. I will focus on Uncle Haruna. And  when I return you and 
your
> > friends might have solved their  invented puzzle of who is 
chatting
> with
> > them.
>  >  
> > Uncle Haruna, do not worry much about Coach  understanding 
your
> posting.
> > I am with you all the  way. Just bear with me a little I will 
be
> back.
> >  
> >  
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat,  2/13/10, Haruna Darbo 
<[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>  >
> > From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
> >  Subject: Re: Let us turn a new page
> > To:  [log in to unmask]
> > Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010,  5:49 PM
> >
> > Suntou,
> >  
> > I  take your counsel into advisement. Pa Samba is a dear 
friend. He
>  and
> > I will come to understandings. It takes a little nudging  and
> > explanation for him but it shall come to pass. I am not a  
novice
> at
> > conflict resolution.
> >  
> > Here is what I advise of you though.
> >  
> > Today, today. If Halifa for some reason went into a trans  and
> declared
> > - Let us have a total opposition union and  let UDP/NRP lead 
it,
> wIll
> > you and UDP/NRP waste your  times to join
> >  PDOIS??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
> >  
> > This is the question I want you and UDP/NRP and even GMC  to
> ponder.
> > After you do, you will throw away Agenda-2011  and focus on
> building
> > your parties and alliances. As I  can see, both UDP/NRP and 
GMC
> have
> > shortcomings in  party administration that leave a lot to be
> desired.
> >  Simple tasks take days or months to complete if at all. When 
your
>  > leader is busy defending Femi Peters, the party's entire
>  activities
> > stop. WHY???? If Ousainou is not free, the party's  executive
> committee
> > need to ensure the continued  functioning of the party. WHY is
> that?
> > Some due-diligence  does not require money. Organising and 
visiting
> with
> >  your supporters regularly as far away as Koina and Jimara and
> >  cultivating new supporters should be done all the time, 
Ousainou
>  or no
> > Ousainou. NADD/PDOIS has the same problem or worse. But the  
time
> you
> > partisans spend on chatter could be better  used developing 
your
> > parties. The way I see it, none of the  parties is capable of
> governing
> > Gambia in this state. And  if you should dream about forming a
> singular
> > union, you  will have multiplied the inefficiencies ten-fold.
> >  
>  > So focus your time and energies on value - building and
>  strangthening
> > your parties. We are not interested in a United  Opposition 
any
> more. At
> > least we will not depend on  that idea as the means to remove
> Yahya. So
> > don't feel  burdened to form a united opposition on account of 
the
> >  people.
> >  
> > Thank you and may DaarManso continue  to bless all of you in 
your
> > self-interests.
> >  
> > Haruna.
> >
> > -----Original  Message-----
> > From: suntou touray  <[log in to unmask]>
> > To:  [log in to unmask]
> > Sent: Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:05  pm
> > Subject: Re: Let us turn a new page
> >
> >  Haruna, your comments are simple, logical and straight  
forward.
> But the
> > sad facts is that, some people  cannot even think for 
themselves
> without
> > Sallah  telling them how. Halifa's attempt to be Jack of all 
trade
>  meant
> > that, he did injustice to himself and UDP/NRP analysing  
absent
> voters
> > and the synergy effect with him being a  mortal man could'nt
> quantify.
> > Halifa should display his  formula of his cirtic of the 
UDP/NRP not
> > adding the  absent voters to the pool. Absent voters affected 
all
> the
>  > parties, including PDOIS and NDam.
> > Haruna, your efforts are  honourable and honest. Where you
> criticise me
> > and my  attempts, i recognise the reasoning in them. When we 
send
>  our
> > rejoinder, Halifa's few fans in American made all sorts of  
noise,
> some
> > saying:
> > Halifa is under  attack, we should stop all talks
> > Now who did we responded to? The  wind or Halifa? Did this 
people
> > actually read anything Halifa  wrote?
> > My hunch is they don't. But when Mr Grey-Johnson again  
repeated
> Halifa
> > mistakes, i didn't hear this people  who nearly went into 
coma 
> when we
> > their patron,  when Darboe was branded power hungry etc by a
> misguided
>  > bigoted partisan.
> > The two face mentality is the real reason  Halifa is 
continuing
> what he
> > doing. Behind his back  his own guys are dissolution with him,
> among
> > people, they  defend his ideas even after knowing they don't 
make
> sense.
>  > And as for Pasamba, true peace will come to pass when you are  
bold
> > enough to confront Halifa. But for now, it will be a  dream.
> > Haruna, keep writing.
> > Suntou
>  >
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Haruna  Darbo
> > <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > Olfactor  you can't help but take a swipe at yours truly. What 
is
>  wrong
> > with you men? I'll have you know you can't have a better  
friend
> than
> > Haruna. I just got off the phone with a  friend. He tells me
> president
> > Clinton is doing  marvelously and with our continued prayers, 
he
> should
> >  be back up, straight up, to continue to assist in Haiti and
>  Northern
> > Ireland. I told him I have a friend in Dublin who could  hold 
the
> torch
> > for Ireland as the president recovers.  So I messed up your
> hibernation
> > long before you perceived  it. SOmeone will be looking for you 
over
> > there to lend all  Ireland a hand as she works through 
devolution.
> Won't
> >  you do Ireland a good turn? Migrant worker or not, you still 
live
>  in
> > Ireland. So why go into hibernation on account of your
>  friend Haruna
> > when you could be working for Northern  Ireland???? Learn to 
not
> take,
> > take, take. Learn to  give, give, give. Besides I did not hear
> where you
> > tried  to get our mutual friend Demba out of box. I know your 
life
>  has
> > some value. I just gotta figure it out for you. I still love  
you.
> >  
> > Now then Dad, you did a marvelous  job in amicus of Halifa's
> electoral
> > arithemetic which you  inform us was the basis for Agenda 
2011. You
> must
> > be  commended for this. It is what mortal man can expect of a
>  partisan.
> > I totally admire your zeal and sport. I guess it is not  
necessary
> > therefore for me to read Agenda 2011 afterall. I  will share 
some
> notes
> > with you and they will be  brief.
> >  
> > In my view, Halifa's un-intended  dishonesty does not lie in
> > the arithemetic adduand. As a  philosopher and sociologist par
> > excellence, Halifa must have been  taught that linear 
arithemetic
> is not
> > terribly  valuable for philosophers and sociologists. That is 
why
>  linear
> > algebra and additional math were introduced in those years  
where
> > sociologists and philosophers shared their agonies in  
explaining
> human
> > conditions and considerations. Throw  in the philosopher and
> sociologist
> > who wishes to use  politics to solve the landmark equations of
> social
> >  engineering. Why do people vote? Why do they vote the way 
they do?
>  >  
> > Let me be the first to share with you that the  
adduand exclusively
> > should not be considered in  electoral arithemetic. You cannot
> explain
> > the  distributive and associative properties only by using 
addition
>  > alone, addition and subtraction alone, Or addition,  
subtraction,
> and
> > multiplication alone. Electoral  arithemetic must include the 
use
> of
> > addition,  subtraction, multiplication, division, the 
operations of
> >  integral and derivative science are a complex use of these 
four,
>  and
> > they cannot even begin to tackle electoral mathematics.  
Secondly,
> you
> > must endeavour to include the time  value of elections and 
votes
> and the
> > time value of  human considerations. That is where the 
accountant
> comes
>  > to the aid of the philosopher/sociologist/politician. Even
>  further,
> > electoral calculus contains some intractable variables  such 
as
> personal
> > considerations of the voter that are  a function of his/her 
state
> of
> > mind at the time of  voting. What you must not do under any
> > circumstance, is to  extrapolate or compare votes of different
> periods
> > or  periodic elections. Your quandry is not complete even 
after you
>  > satisfy the foregoing. There comes the matter of vote-buying,
>  > vote-selling which Halifa himself was at pains to convince us
>  happens
> > during the elections in Gambia. Well throw in the mix of  the
> Gambian
> > voter's problems of Yahya's intimidations,  electoral 
riggings, and
> > ballot stuffings, why you have just  thoroughly 
discombabulated
> yourself.
> >  
>  > In essence, the dishonesty displayed by Halifa, though  
unintended,
> is a
> > result of using a dishonest formula.  Now when you skew that
> formula to
> > portray another  opposition party as incapable to win future
> elections,
> >  you burden straightforward dishonest calculus with odious 
bias. If
>  the
> > premise therefore of AGENDA 2011 is the result of  such
> arithemetic,
> > well you know the rest of the  story.
> >  
> > Therefore, I urge Halifa to apologise  to the readers of 
Agenda
> 2011 and
> > all other  opposition parties, and when we work on a roadmap, 
to
>  cease
> > redefining past elections in Gambia. Past election results  in
> Gambia
> > will not afford any valuable or meaningful  discernment for any
> > opposition party. And Foroyaa, based on such  arithemetic 
wishes
> > opposition parties to go back to the  drawing board. For
> what?????????
> > We are all unduly  mesmerized by the sanctity of a total 
opposition
> > union. I  advise sobriety and caution against disingenuity and
> pretense.
>  >  
> > I commend you nonetheless for efforting amicus of  Agenda 2011 
and
> > Halifa.
> >  
> >  Olfactor, any minute now you'll hear a knock on your door. 
Nobody
>  > hibernates in Ireland anymore. She invests enormous amounts  
to
> market
> > herself as a lively tourist destination.  You should help her 
in
> that
> > regard. I love you  all.
> >  
> > Haruna.
> >
>  >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:  Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask]>
> > To:  [log in to unmask]
> >
> >
> > Sent: Sat,  Feb 13, 2010 4:54 am
> > Subject: Re: Let us turn a new page
>  >
> > Nyang,
> >  
> > Keep up the good  work, however dealing with grouchy
> >  characters is difficult, for reason and reality is not  their
> forte. Let
> > me go back to my hibernation as our  grouch par excellence 
here has
> > snorted at people who have  decided to ignore his incessant and
> > vapid rambling. I do not  want to be splattered by his grotty
> stuff, so
> >  hibernation here we come. 
> >  
> > Nyang once  again keep the fire burning and keep helping me 
out of
>  my
> > hibernation with your good work.  Thanks for a very well  
written
> > piece. 
> >  
> >  Best,
> >  
> > Mboge
> >
> >
>  > On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Modou Nyang
> >  <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > Suntu,
> >  
> >
> > How Many times am I to prove that you do not  do your homework
> well? I
> > can see that you are trying to  get allies from all those 
People
> with
> > hate messages.  This is weakening your course. Such hate 
messages
> cannot
>  > isolate any one.. We have seen those types of people here in  
the
> US
> > during Obama’s campaign. They cannot explain  why they hate 
him.
> >  
> > Consequently their  hate messages worked out very well for 
Obama.
> Here
> >  too you are giving Halifa more publicity than he has asked 
for.
>  The
> > worse thing that you did to your self is to raise issues  
which led
> to
> > the challenge for Halifa to explain the  role he played in 
NADD. I
> am
> > still waiting to read  part 3 so that things will be clearer 
since
> your
> > camp  is still trying to distort the truth even though no NADD
>  leader
> > had come out in public to do so.
> >  
> > Your last hope to discredit Halifa is your claim that he  
distorted
> the
> > result of the 2001 Presidential  elections just to prove that 
the
> UDP
> > lost more votes  than it really did, when compared to 2006 so 
that
> its
> >  leadership would be discredited. In my reaction to your 
rejoinder
>  I
> > decided to skip the issue of the exact number of votes your  
party
> the
> > UDP had in the 2001 election in order to do  a proper research 
on
> it. I
> > have now scanned the  results of the 2001 Presidential 
elections
> with
> > the  signature of the then Chairman of the Independent 
Electoral
> >  Commission Gabriel Roberts.
> >  
> > However, before  going into your distortion of the results I 
would
> want
>  > to help one of your friends to understand what I meant when I  
said
> > Darboe was not brave enough to tell his colleagues what  he 
wanted
> and
> > stuck by it before they ventured to  form NADD. He 
misunderstood me
> > completely and strayed into  accusing Halifa of promoting that 
a
> brave
> > person  should be selected to lead an opposition alliance. My
> position
>  > is that if Darboe is strongly convinced that he should lead  
and
> others
> > should follow. He should simply declare  that for all to 
understand
> and
> > then proceed to sell  his agenda to the people. Whoever wants 
to
> join
> > him  would do so and those who would not want to join him 
would go
>  on
> > with their own programmes. Since UDP is not ready to  
compromise on
> > leadership it should make that clear and stand  by that 
decision
> and
> > should not join any arrangement  where leadership would have 
to be
> > negotiated with other  stakeholders.
> >  
> > let me now deal with the  results of the 2001 Presidential
> elections.
> > Halifa made  it clear in his Agenda 2011 that UDP had 149448 
votes
> in
>  > 2001 while NRP had 35,671 votes. Please read the Agenda 
again.  You
> will
> > get the real figures rather than approximations.  If you want 
a
> copy of
> > the Agenda i will mail it to  you electronically.
> >  
> > Halifa indicated that the  two parties formed an alliance in 
2006
> along
> > with  GPDP and had votes numbering 104,808 votes..Halifa 
concluded
>  that
> > compared to the 2001 figures the two parties lost 80,301  
votes.
> Where
> > then has Halifa gone wrong?
> >  
> > Could you not do simple addition and subtraction? Add  149,448
> votes to
> > 35,67. You should get 185,119 votes.  Subtract 104,808 from
> 185,119.
> > What is your answer? Is it  not 80,301 votes. Halifa is dead
> correct and
> > you the  members of the UDP camp in the UK are dead wrong.
> >  
>  > I have investigated and got the results a long time ago. I  
wanted
> to
> > check whether you have leaders who would  guide you to know 
the
> truth.
> > The fact that you are  still persisting in claiming that 
Halifa’s
> > figures are wrong  has forced me to request for a scanned
> declaration of
> >  results signed by The Chairman of the IEC and I hope you will 
now
>  > apologise to Halifa for your misleading statements. I am  
surprised
> by
> > the fact that you are still clinging to  the view that Halifa
> quoted
> > wrong figures even though  your leaders in Banjul should be 
able to
> tell
> > you the  truth instead of leaving you to humiliate yourselves
> before
>  > world public opinion. I have decided to share the copy of the
>  > declarations of the 2001 election results with the online  
media
> for all
> > to see for them selves since I cannot  directly place it here
> unless as
> > an attachment.
>  >  
> > Furthermore Suntou, you claim that it is the UDP who  enabled
> Halifa to
> > win his Serrekunda Central Seat. Let us  look at the results 
of the
> > elections in Serrekunda since the  UDP was put up by the three
> major
> > parties of the first  Republic, that is, the PPP, the NCP and 
the
> GPP.
> >  
> > In 1997, the UDP campaigned against Halifa Sallah in  
Serrekunda
> East
> > and put up a major PPP supporter,  Bakary Manneh, as their
> candidate in
> > order to exploit  OJ’s popularity as the MP at the time of the
> coup. The
> >  results were as follows Halifa had 8, 529 votes, The UDP had 
8,
>  > 067votes and the APRC had 9, 575votes. Contrary to your  
position
> that
> > the UDP put up a candidate against  Halifa in the 2007 
National
> Assembly
> > elections to  humble him while it left Sidia Jatta’s seat
> uncontested
> >  since he was a humble PDOIS leader, Halifa did not stand as a
> >  Presidential Candidate in 1996. It is Sidia Jatta who stood 
as a
>  > candidate against the UDP. And in the 1997 National Assembly
>  elections,
> > the UDP also put up a prominent NCP supporter in Wuli  against
> Sidia
> > Jatta. Alhamdu Conteh who stood as The UDP  candidate had 
1,098,
> Mamadi
> > Karlo Jabai of the APRC  had 4, 641 and Sidia Jatta of PDOIS 
had 5,
> 499.
> > Sidia  won despite UDP"s attempt to contest the seat.
> >  
>  > In the 2002 National Assembly elections, the UDP boycotted the
>  > elections and called on all its members to stay away from the
>  polls. In
> > Serre Kunda Central, Halifa had 5, 563 votes as a PDOIS  
Candidate
> while
> > the APRC candidate had 5, 143 votes.  Halifa won.
> >  
> > In the 2005 by election in Serre  Kunda Central, Halifa had 5, 
911
> votes
> > as a candidate  of the alliance while the APRC had 3, 984 
votes.
> Ther
> >  alliance added only 348 votes to the 2002 votes Halifa had as 
a
>  PDOIS
> > candidate. As a NADD candidate Halifa had 4, 302 in the  2007
> National
> > Assembly elections, UDP had 1, 548. and the  APRC had 6, 386.
> >  
> > It should be clear that  Sidia and Halifa both won their seats 
as
> PDOIS
> >  candidates irrespective of the UDP. UDP made a big mistake in
> >  contesting the Serrekunda central seat. It did not spoil 
anything
>  for
> > Halifa. It spoilt its own name. Many young people started  to
> describe
> > it as a party that pours the sand in the  porridge if it is 
not
> invited
> > to share in the eating.  UDP UK is also doing more harm to the 
UDP.
> I
> > will  take up this issue later.
> >  
> > Suntu you concluded  that: "The UDP U.K knows very well, 
Halifa's
> > students will  come trying to defend the indefensible. They 
will
> again
>  > continue to twist the facts and try to blame others for  
Halifa's
> > inability to convince Gambian voters. What the UDP  propose 
which
> is
> > respectfully talked by sincere  Gambians, Halifa don't want to 
pay
> > attention to that. What he  want is to talk directly to 
Gambians,
> the
> > civil  society, the NGO's etc and then create a cadre of 
people who
>  will
> > later chose him as their saviour."
> >  
> > This is your allegation. This is your fear. You do fear  that
> Halifa
> > could convince the Gambian voters. Your  objective therefore 
is to
> > prevent this through premeditated  character assassination. 
You
> claim
> > that I am trying  to distort facts. What facts are we trying 
to
> distort?
>  > If Halifa cannot convince the Gambian people then why is he  
your
> > headache. Halifa is not Darboes problem and Darboe is  not 
Halifa’s
> > problem. The problem of the Gambian people  should be our 
problem
> .Allow
> > me to quote what Halifa  said recently. 
> >  
> > "Interestingly enough,  in 2001 the APRC candidate had 242, 
302
> votes
> > when it  forged no alliance with the NCP. At that time there 
were
>  501,
> > 304 registered voters. Suffice it to say, even though the  
number
> of
> > voters increased by 169, 032, by 2006 the  votes of the APRC 
could
> only
> > increase by 22,102  votes. The UDP candidate had 149,448 votes 
in
> 2001.
> >  Even though it developed alliance with NRP, which had 35,671 
votes
>  in
> > 2001, its votes went down 104,808 votes in the 2006  
elections,
> despite
> > the increase in the number of  registered voters by 169, 032
> voters."
> >  
>  > "Foroyaa: What is your advise?"
> >
> > "It is  therefore necessary for political leaders to go back 
to the
> >  drawing board and map out a new way forward. How is the 
opposition
>  to
> > attract the 542,055 voters who did not vote for them is  the
> subject at
> > hand. This is what Agenda 2011 is all  about. Even though I am 
not
> > excluding acceptance of  candidature, I have already declared 
that
> the
> > best  option is to select a neutral candidate who will be able 
to
> run  a
> > non partisan transitional cabinet for a period of 2 to 5  
years and
> then
> > step aside after a genuine multi party  contest. It is left to
> Gambians
> > to decide whether they  have a better way forward."
> >  
> > Please ask Darboe  to state his proposal for a way forward so 
that
> we
> >  know what the UDP want for the Nation. That is better than 
endless
>  > bickering by the spokesperson of the party in the UK .
> >  
> >  
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed,  2/10/10, suntou touray 
<[log in to unmask]>
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: suntou touray  <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Re: Let us turn a new  page
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> >
> >  Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 4:12 PM
> >
> >
>  > Bailo, good to know your ears are wide open. I thought you
>  understood
> > the famous English saying "one man's meat is another  man's
> poison".
> > What you believe to be crap from Suntou is  a gem to some and 
vice
> verse.
> > I have always  been a fan of politics Bailo, however it
>  doesn't dominate
> > my life. I reveal here last year that, i  was reading and
> consulting
> > with some Gambian opposition  parties. trying to know certain
> aspects of
> > their politics  and also to maintain how i can relate to them.
> > It was after this  period, i decided the best option out there 
is
> the
> >  United Democratic Party. Hence my joining their ranks.
> > I  appreciate your boldness in stating on several occasion 
that a
>  party
> > led coalition is the solution. Not every PDOIS member wish  to
> accept
> > this fact, but in life we have to accept and  politely 
disagree.
> > The situation for us all are very similar.  Our central 
concern
> is to
> > see that a government  comes to power that will respect the 
rule of
> law
> > and  adheres to good governance. And also a government that 
will
>  abide
> > by term limits and allow for diaspora Gambians to come  home
> anytime and
> > stand for election without any  restriction like it it is now.
> > UDP/NRP all agrees with this  principles and also PDOIS. 
Therefore
> the
> > deliberate  error some people are throwing about saying that,
> Ousainou
>  > will not abide by term limits is the biggest nonsense.
> >  Ousainou is selected by the UDP at there annual party 
congress  to
> lead
> > the party, yet Jeggan is complaining that  Ousainou didn't 
hand
> over to
> > someone. Who is the new  expert to lecture the UDP on how to 
select
> a
> > party  leader?
> > Let Halifa hand over the leadership of PDOIS to Sam Sarr  
before he
> too
> > passes the required age. After all, the  American system seems 
to
> be if
> > you cannot get the  presidency, you pass it on. Let Sam step 
up.
> Jeggan
> >  can lecture his PDOIS members but not us.
> > The annoying thing in  all this exchanges is that, those 
who cry
> baby
> >  when we reacted are all in hibernation, this world.
> > No wonder  truth is relative. Bee kaa foo ila bori leya, tiw 
tiw (
>  each
> > person shout for your runner). Things are moving,  albeit 
slowly.
> But
> > progress is been made. Ajarama,  and Ibalen jam. Ya Allah 
dandu
> meen
> > foof kata e  katato. Ameen.
> > Suntou
> >
> >
> > On  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:56 PM, bailo jallow
> >  <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > Suntou,
>  >
> > I heard you loud and clear. But we gotta move on and not get  
stuck
> to
> > the past.
> >
> > As for  the NIA, they are everywhere in the Gambia. Recently a
> young  man
> > was pulled out of a public bus at Denton bridge and  merciless
> beaten to
> > a vegetative state by our so-called  security forces. His 
crime?
> The bus
> > in which he was  travelling was like all vehicles on the road 
at
> the
> >  time ordered off the road because the Presidential motorcade 
was
>  > expected along it. The wait was apparently long and this 
young  man
> made
> > the mistake of telling someone he was was  speaking with on 
his
> mobile
> > that they were waiting  for the for the convoy of our stupid
> president
> > to pass.  An NIA informant overheard his indiscretion and 
decided
> to
>  > teach him a lesson. When the bus reached Denton Bridge; the
>  informant
> > ordered the driver of the bus to halt the bus, the  young chap 
was
> > pulled out and his alleged crime reported to  the security 
forces.
> Their
> > immediate reaction was to  beat him to a vegetative state for 
his
> > indiscretionary words  against the President.
> >
> > It is therefore ordinary  private citizens who are paying a 
higher
> price
> > under  the status quo than public personalities like Ousainou,
>  Halifa,
> > OJ, Seedia and the rest, the immense sacrifice of the  latter
> category
> > nothwithstanding.
> >
>  > Honestly, I am not a strong moslem as you. Evidence suggests  
that
> are
> > not a taleban otherwise the only technology  you would 
approved of
> is
> > the killing machines. I  guess you own a tv and even a 
computer. As
> such
> > If  you were a taleban, your fellow talebans would have been
> seeking  to
> > publicly flog for your deviation. So you cannot be a  taleban!
> Though I
> > must confess that sometimes I tend to  mis-consider you as one 
very
> > angry ayatollah who considers  so-called PDOIS fanatics like 
myself
> as
> > supporters of  the great Satan. I sincerely hope that is not 
so.
> > Remember,  you cautioned us sometimes ago that politicians are 
not
> to  be
> > trusted. Your transformation into one within this short space  
of
> time
> > is amazing. Who and what is primary  motivation? I suppose 
Halifa
> is not
> > the one.
>  >
> > Anyway, keep up the good work for your party and the Gambia  
in
> general
> > and please leave the crap out. I concur  that you reserve the 
right
> >  to.........................
> >
> >
> > Best  wishes
> >
> > Bailo
> >
> >
>  >
> > --- On Sun, 7/2/10, suntou touray  
<[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> >  From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Re:  Let us turn a new page
> > To: [log in to unmask]
>  >
> > Date: Sunday, 7 February, 2010, 12:10
> >
>  >
> > Bailo, your spin was well intention albeit your inability  to
> accept the
> > facts of your Messiah's calamity. He cannot  hide neither run  
away
> from
> > his mistakes. We are  all willing to move on and try to talk as
> > brothers. But what we  cannot leave alone the continuous blame 
game
> > Halifa  attributed to others leaving his own saintly person 
out.
> >  Politics is not a career for saints Bailo, the sooner Halifa
>  recognises
> > that the better. And the gang mentality his supporters  
manifest is
> a
> > turn of for even his supporters,  ganging up against those who
> speak
> > about his politics  will only cause Halifa less cloud.
> > I also notice that, some of  his guys start calling me Taliban,
> > extremist and what have you.  If they are willing to stoop so 
low
> in
> > their  misunderstanding of politics, my body feel for them.
> > Bailo,  you are strong a muslims brother who actively partake 
in
>  islamic
> > actvist, those that make you a Taliban? I know some of  your
> Islamic
> > commitments, but I also accept that, as  Muslims, we should be
> > interested in politics, science,  literature, acceptable art,
> > philosophy, just anything we can  enhance our minds with.
> > But alas, the gossip that Suntou is  intolerant pumped up by 
the
> PDOIS
> > boys has  reached me a long time. Some of this liers are even 
in
>  cahoot
> > with the Foroyaa establishment providing them with  equipment 
and
> the
> > like.
> > My Islam allows  me the privilege to be an enterprising 
citizen
> wherever
>  > I live. I am a Muslim by choice and will practise Islam to  
the
> best of
> > my ability and will put across the little  I know 
God-Willing. I
> respect
> > the laws of  the land i reside in. But If my comments on 
Halifa
>  incense
> > some to the extent that, they are willing to vilify and  
attribute
> > nonsensical tags to me, then I am  vindicated.
> >  
> > Let us see how things pan out, we  standby our findings and
> whenever it
> > becomes necessary,  we shall respond to all false analogies on 
UDP.
> For
> >  those who wish to be taken seriously including you Bailo, 
distant
>  > yourself from errors, no matter who commits them, only then  
people
> will
> > accept your subsequent cries.
>  >  Modou's abysmal response require no countering from us. he  
place
> > Halifa in even more serious doubts hence putting across  
Halifa's
> line.
> > He is the brave soldier and others  not. The facts speaks
> different.
> > Ousainou's office is man  regularly by NIA agents, doing all 
they
> can to
> > deter  him from actively politics. His clients harassed, his
>  associated
> > harassed, yet the foroyaa guys go about their business  
selling
> papers
> > and earning yet claiming to be  sacrificing more than others. 
It
> make me
> > laugh  mate.
> > Suntou
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Feb  6, 2010 at 2:01 PM, bailo jallow
> > <[log in to unmask]>  wrote:
> > Comrade Modou,
> >
> > Your  clarification efforts are highly appreciated. Let us now 
move
>  on
> > and chart a new course towards helping bring about unity  
within
> the
> > opposition movement. In our unity is our  strength. However, I
> strongly
> > believe that the general  opposition movement would again fail 
to
> > realise our common  goal of achieving a new Gambia for all if 
we
> > continue to rely  on already tried and tested counterproductive
> > strategies of  destructive criticism aimed at promoting one's
> candidate
> >  while vigorously attempting to tarnish that of another's. 
Some may
>  > argue that come on, this is merely politics at play. I  
personally
> > consider such tactics as a smear campaign. Anyone  on the 
frontline
> of
> > our national politics  conscientiously opposing the 
retrogessive
> > policies and  actions of the unjust APRC regime deserve 
nothing but
> > support  and encouragement from everyone craving and 
campaigning
>  for
> > positive changes in the Gambia. Ousainou Darboe, Halifa  
Sallah,
> Femi
> > Peters, Seedia Jatta, Mai Fatty and many  others like them
> therefore
> > only deserve our genuine  respect and good advice. I had 
concluded
> long
> > time  ago that under the current poliitcal dispensation in in 
our
> >  beloved country the easiest and most convenient resort for 
any
>  person
> > seeking only their own personal interest would be to join  the 
APRC
> > Party.
> >
> > Our primary  objective should be towards ensuring that the
> leaderships
> >  of the UDP-led Alliance and the remnants of NADD coalition 
would
>  both
> > sooner rather later pursue a strategy of meaningful  
co-operation
> with
> > one another towards achieving an  over-due united front 
against the
> > incompetent and callous  APRC regime. That way, the doubters 
would
> have
> > been  confounded and hope lost by the silent majority of 
Gambians
>  would
> > be restored.
> >
> > Let confidence  building measures between all sides of the
> opposition be
> >  pursued in earnest from now on as time is precious sliding 
away.
>  >
> > Please try to help get your dear uncle bailed out after  being
> found
> > guilty and sentenced yesterday for making a  wrongful 
attribution
> to our
> > dear colleague, Halifa.  Coincidentally, the amount payable 
which
> is
> > any,  should be envoyed to him in jail for the benefit of good
>  Gambian
> > causes he has been diligently campaigning for.
>  >
> > Finally I wish to commend organisations such as the STGDP  and 
GDP
> who
> > have been focussing on just that. Let us  not be daunted nor
> depair;
> > ultimate victory is assured  for the cause of any struggle for
> justice,
> > freedom and  respect for human dignity.
> >
> > Let us turn a new  constructive page. Let all good works go 
on.
> Amen!
>  >
> > Bailo
> >
> >
> >
> >  --- On Sat, 6/2/10, Modou Nyang 
<[log in to unmask]>
>  wrote:
> >
> > From: Modou Nyang  <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Re: Foroyaa News :  HALIFA SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER THE 
APRC
> TOUR
> > To:  [log in to unmask]
> > Date: Saturday, 6 February, 2010,  3:50
> >
> > Bailo,
> >  
> > Uncle  Haruna understands Halifa very well. This is why he 
prefers
>  to
> > rely on the issue of credibility and not the election  
statistics
> which
> > Halifa relied on to draw his  conclusion. My uncle is among 
those
> who
> > say that  politics is about numbers. In fact the other camp 
rely on
>  this
> > so much that they refer to some parties as fringe parties.  
They
> know
> > what Halifa is talking about but like the  proverbial ostrich 
they
> > prefer to bury their head in the  sand.
> >  
> > You see, some of these people do not  care whether there is 
change
> or
> > not. What they are  interested in is the change they want. If 
they
> > cannot get it  they prefer to join Jammeh. They should not 
fool the
> rest
>  > of us. Where is Waa who used to criticize Halifa. He accepted  
the
> post
> > of a governor while Halifa rejected the post  of a Minister. 
This
> is the
> > difference between him and  his critics. He wants genuine 
change
> for the
> > long  suffering Gambian people.
> >  
> > Halifa has made it  quite clear that the lowest common 
multiple in
> > politics is  numbers and concluded that the numbers which 
rejected
> both
>  > opposition and ruling party are so overwhelming that none 
could  be
> > considered credible if that is the yardstick of  measuring
> credibility.
> > He therefore concluded that those  who want change should go 
back
> to the
> > drawing board.  He offered a proposal and called on others 
with
> better
>  > proposals to offer their own. Where is the bickering? All  
honest
> > Gambians have seen the light and cannot be deceived  any more. 
They
> know
> > who is power hungry and those who  want to empower the people.
> >  
> > Nyang
>  >  
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 2/5/10, bailo  jallow 
<[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
>  > From: bailo jallow <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject:  Re: Foroyaa News : HALIFA SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER THE 
APRC
>  TOUR
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Date: Friday,  February 5, 2010, 6:41 AM
> >
> > Please note that  perspective does not always represent 
reality is
> what
> >  I intended to express in  my previous contribution.
> >
>  > Bailo
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 5/2/10, bailo  jallow 
<[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
>  > From: bailo jallow <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject:  Re: Foroyaa News : HALIFA SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER THE 
APRC
>  TOUR
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Date: Friday, 5  February, 2010, 11:22
> >
> > Please note that perspective  does not always represent 
reality is
> I
> > intended to  express in  my previous contribution.
> >
> >  Bailo
> >
> > --- On Fri, 5/2/10, bailo jallow  
<[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> >  From: bailo jallow <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Re:  Foroyaa News : HALIFA SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER THE 
APRC
> TOUR
>  > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Date: Friday, 5 February,  2010, 11:12
> >
> > Haruna tendered "So here Evian you will  notice that my notes 
were
> in
> > response to your notes  and I encourage you to read your notes
> where you
> >  re-presented what Halifa said."
> >
> > This is how I  represented Halifa's statement: "You seem to be 
in
> denial
>  > but that is sadly the truth. The APRC is far from credible  
and
> from the
> > perspective of the potential electorate,  neither exists a 
more
> credible
> > alternative.  Otherwise, the opposition would have won last 
time."
> >
>  > Please note that perspective does always represent reality.
>  >
> > The truth isI did not  misrepresent Halifa; you did.  Instead 
of
> > acknowledging your error, you are trying to shift  it 
elsewhere.
> That's
> > absolute dishonesty!
>  >
> > Bailo
> >
> > --- On Fri, 5/2/10, Haruna  Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> >  From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Re:  Foroyaa News : HALIFA SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER THE 
APRC
> TOUR
>  > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Date: Friday, 5 February,  2010, 0:55
> >
> > What i will do Evian is to leave my  comments close to yours 
and
> > Halifa's in order that the  proximity may yield further
> comprehension
> > where cacophany  meddles.
> >
> >
> > [-----Original  Message-----  From: bailo jallow
> >  [log in to unmask]  To: [log in to unmask]
> >  Sent: Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:20 pm Subject: Re: Foroyaa News : 
HALIFA
>  > SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER THE APRC TOUR
> > Sheikh Haruna, The  following is exactly what Comrade Halifa 
was
> > reported to have  stated (emphasis mine):
> >
> > “Some supporters of the APRC  said that the opposition parties 
in
> the
> > Gambia are  not credible. They should also add that the ruling
> party is
>  > not credible. Their assessment of Gambian politics as it  
stands
> would
> > then be correct and balanced."
>  >  
> > And this is how you interpreted it:
>  >
> > "As to which party official speaks for the other parties,  
Halifa
> shared
> > with us that there is no credible  opposition or ruling party. 
What
> he
> > should have said  was that his party PDOIS was not credible. 
Then
> he
> >  would have been speaking for himself because he is more 
intimately
>  > aware of PDOIS' credibility. i think he was echoing
>  Waa's assertions
> > that there is no credible opposition. The  problem is instead 
of
> > focusing on his party's credibility, he  attempted to match 
Waa's
> > cluelessness. In so doing he  admitted Waa may be right."
> >
> >
> >
>  > So here Evian you will notice that my notes were in response  
to
> your
> > notes and I encourage you to read your notes  where you
> re-presented
> > what Halifa said. Then come back  here and read the entire 
quote as
> it
> > appeared in the  Foroyaa note, undoctored by you. What you 
will
> conclude
>  > is that even given your sophomoric representation, my comment  
(Not
> > interpretation) here does capture the cluelessness of  
PDOISards
> > fantastically. You see the APRC supporters are  smart people
> compared to
> > Halifa. They are not interested  in selling the demerits of 
the
> ruling
> > party because  that is who they support. Now Halifa advising 
them
> to
> >  ALSO say that there is no CREDIBLE RULING PARTY, in addition 
to
>  There
> > is no CREDIBLE OPPOSITION PARTY, and that they will have  been 
both
> > CORRECT and BALANCED is where he put his foot in  his mouth.
> Implicitly,
> > Halifa agrees with their  supposition that there is no CREDIBLE
> > opposition party as  CORRECT. Because there is more than PDOIS 
in
> the
> >  opposition parties, Halifa is thereby speaking for other 
parties.
>  That
> > is the reason I shared the advice about when in court and  
accused
> of
> > theft, your defense ought not be that not  only are you a 
thief in
> > agreement with your accuser, your  accuser is also a thief. 
The
> grander
> > picture Bailo is  when you consider you are an independent 
voter.
> And
> >  you hear Halifa utter such. How does it make you feel about 
him
>  and his
> > incredulous party PDOIS. Forget NADD at this time for  there 
is
> really
> > nothing in NADD besides PDOIS. Please  let me know if this is 
still
> not
> > clear to  you.
> >  
> > [So now let us focus on separating the  chaff from the grain:
> Halifa
> > reported that "some  supporters of the APRC said that the
> opposition
> > parties  in the Gambia are not credible." This is factual. It 
is
>  APRC
> > supporters like Waa Juwara as you conceded who are claiming  
the
> above;
> > it is not Halifa as you wrongly asserted.  Halifa is merely a
> messenger
> > who conveyed the message.  What Halifa opined in response is 
"They
> > should also add that  the ruling party is not credible. Their
> assessment
> > of  Gambian politics as it stands would then be correct and
>  balanced."]
> > Evian.
> >
> >
> >  Inutile.
> >
> > [I hope you would therefore accordingly  revise your 
interpretation
> of
> > Halifa's statement to  reflect the reality of what he 
expressed.]
> Evian.
> >  
> > I was not interpreting anything. I was translating. And  there 
is
> no
> > further revision necessary.
>  >
> > [You aso wrote:
> > "I would encourage you to read  Halifa's quotation again 
because I
> think
> > you  misunderstood it. Not that it makes any significant 
difference
>  > whether you understood it or not. It just throws your 
analysis  of
> that
> > part off quilter a bit. That is the bit about  "Not excluding
> acceptance
> > of candidature". There Halifa  is speaking of himself and not 
the
> > candidature of other.  Share with us your renewed 
understanding."]
> Evian
> >  regurgitating what Haruna shared.
> >
> > [As you  encouraged, I referred again to the relevant 
statement of
> >  Halifa as follows (emphasis mine):
> > "Even though I am not  excluding acceptance of candidature, I 
have
> > already declared  that the best option is to select a neutral
> candidate
> > who  will be able to run a non partisan transitional cabinet 
for a
> >  period of 2 to 5 years and then step aside after a genuine
>  multiparty
> > contest. It is left to Gambians to decide whether they  have a
> better
> > way forward."] Evian  repeating. 
> >
> > [My understanding of the statement  remains the same even 
though I
> admit
> > that Halifa did  not qualify whose candidature he meant.] 
Evian.
> >  
> > Halifa did not need to qualify whose candidature he  spoke of. 
The
> > English is sound and very good. If it were you  or Mams I 
would
> have
> > asked for further  clarification.
> >  
> > [He did not indicated either  "my" or "any" to give us 
precision of
> > reference to  candidature.] Evian.
> >  
> > Bailo, the MY is  implicit. That happens all the time in
> conversations
> > in  English. Just for fun, let us replace MY with ANY just  
before
> > candidature. That would not have been the best  sentence 
structure
> but
> > it still tells you Halifa is  speaking of himself. This is
> because MY is
> > the  ownership litmus but ANY goes to the quality of the
>  candidature and
> > not domain. Hey Allah, I hope you understand me.  So let's 
extend
> the
> > semantic game further; Let us say  Halifa meant Ousainou, OJ,
> Hamat, or
> > Waa's candidature,  and insert any of these names just before
> > candidature. Now you  will agree with me that Halifa does not 
have
> the
> >  purview of accepting other's candidature. Do you agree? If 
you
>  don't
> > just ask yourself where is the authority for Halifa to  ACCEPT 
a
> > dog-catcher's candidature????? He can ascend to  their 
candidatures
> when
> > they accept accept it  themselves and the way he does that is 
by
> voting
> > his  desire or ascension. These are some of the games Shaky 
Shaky
>  plays
> > with English in order to improve himself. Please let me  know 
if
> you
> > need further ideas on these and  others.
> >  
> > [In essence, he might have been  referring to his own 
candidature
> or
> > someone else's.]  Evian.
> >  
> > Unless he is retarded, he could not  have been referring to 
any
> other's
> >  candidature.
> >  
> > [It is for him to help clarify.]  Evian.
> >  
> > I don't need Halifa to clarify and I  am certain most of our
> coleagues
> > don't need any further  clarification of the statement. Let us 
save
> > Halifa the mental  gymnastics where he could try to manufacture
> > extraneous meaning.  That will be a bigger problem for the man.
> >  
> >  [Whatever he meant, I know that either interpretations are
>  possible.]
> > Evian.
> >  
> > You do the  tests and convince yourself either way. It is 
easy. You
>  can
> > do it Bailo.
> >
> > [In conclusion, I  think you have mistakenly fallen for that
> proverbial
> >  saying of comparing apples and oranges in the following 
statement
>  of
> > yours: "Halifa endorsing Ousainou's candidature will be equal  
to
> you or
> > me endorsing Ousainou's candidature or  Halifa's candidature 
at
> this
> > point in time. There is  not much basis for that."] Evian 
repeating
> what
> >  Haruna shared.
> >
> > [In order words, you have over-rated  yourself and me at to be 
at
> par
> > with Halifa;]  Evian.
> >  
> > No. I am not at par with Halifa. Just  ask him. We are of 
different
> > mettle and polarly opposite  ambition.
> >  
> > [the latter is a political known  and both you and me are 
virtual
> > political unknowns.]  Evian.
> >  
> > Well. Do you want to be a political  known Bailo????? I can 
make
> your
> > arse famous in a  jiffy. You might not like what you become 
famous
> for
> >  though. Political known. I have not heard such cacamayme 
since
>  Moussa
> > Camara shared Mbaranbirinbiring with me in 1982 in  Kuntaur.
> >  
> > [Therein lies the difference between  us Halifa's endorsement 
of
> any
> > candidature.]  Evian.
> >  
> > I see.
> >  
>  > [Cheers] Evian.
> >  
> > Cheers to you too. And  don't try to be cute with your Grand 
Pa
> again.
> > If you  know what is good for you, you'll turn in your PDOIS
> armband.
>  >  
> > I still love you though.
> > Haruna.
>  >
> > --- On Thu, 4/2/10, Modou Nyang  
<[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
>  >
> > From: Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]>
>  > Subject: Foroyaa News : HALIFA SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER THE APRC  
TOUR
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Date:  Thursday, 4 February, 2010, 0:41
> >
> > Foroyaa News :  HALIFA SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER THE APRC TOUR, NO
> CREDIBLE
> >  RULING PARTY NO CREDIBLE OPPOSITION A NEW WAY FORWARD NEEDED
>  >
> > After the completion of the APRC tour, Foroyaa approached  
Halifa
> Sallah
> > for comments.This is what he  said:
> >
> > “Political leaders should tell their  supporters the truth. A
> political
> > vacuum exists in the  Gambia. Some supporters of the APRC said 
that
> the
> >  opposition parties in the Gambia are not credible. They 
should
>  also add
> > that the ruling party is not credible. Their assessment  of 
Gambian
> > politics as it stands would then be correct and  balanced. 
Some
> leaders
> > who do not want to be honest  to their supporters are trying 
to
> give the
> > impression  that the statistics I have been putting out are 
over
> >  statements. They are not telling their supporters the truth.
>  Political
> > leaders should tell the truth. For only the truth shall  set 
us
> free. I
> > have relied on empirical evidence to  conclude that at this 
very
> moment
> > we do not have a  credible ruling party or opposition party. 
We
> have a
> >  duty to create both. Those who are offended by this statement 
are
>  not
> > prepared to do what is necessary to save Gambian politics  
from
> being an
> > exercise in mediocrity.
>  >
> > After the presidential elections in 2006, I wrote a pamphlet  
in
> which I
> > quoted the statistics to confirm my  assertion. Gambians have 
to be
> > reminded these statistics to  awaken each from our political 
apathy.
> >
> > According  to the IEC, 670, 336 voters were registered prior 
to the
>  2006
> > presidential elections. When the results were delivered the  
IEC
> > indicated that the APRC candidate who was also supported  by 
the
> NCP had
> > 264,404 votes. If this is subtracted  from the total number of
> > registered voters it would mean that  405,932 voters did not 
vote
> for
> > the APRC candidate.  The UDP candidate who was also supported 
by
> NRP and
> >  GPDP had 104,808 votes, while the NADD candidate had 23,473 
votes.
>  The
> > total votes of the opposition amounted to 128,281 votes. If  
this
> is
> > subtracted from the total number of  registered voters it 
would be
> > apparent that 542,055 voters  did not vote for the opposition.
> Wherein
> > lies the  credibility of the ruling party and the opposition 
party
>  if
> > politics is reduced to its lowest common denominator as  
contest
> based
> > on the number of votes.
>  >
> > Interestingly enough, in 2001 the APRC candidate had 242,302  
votes
> when
> > it forged no alliance with the NCP. At  that time there were
> 501,304
> > registered voters. Suffice  it to say, even though the number 
of
> voters
> > increased  by 169032, by 2006 the votes of the APRC could only
> increase
>  > by 22,102 votes. The UDP candidate had 149,448 votes in 2001.  
Even
> > though it developed alliance with NRP, which had 35,671  votes 
in
> 2001,
> > its votes went down 104,808 votes in  the 2006 elections, 
despite
> the
> > increase in the  number of registered voters by 169032 voters.
> >
> >  Foroyaa: What is your advise?
> >
> > It is therefore  necessary for political leaders to go back to 
the
> > drawing  board and map out a new way forward. How is the 
opposition
>  to
> > attract the 542,055 voters who did not vote for them is  the
> subject at
> > hand. This is what Agenda 2011 is all  about. Even though I am 
not
> > excluding acceptance of  candidature, I have already declared 
that
> the
> > best  option is to select a neutral candidate who will be able 
to
> run  a
> > non partisan transitional cabinet for a period of 2 to 5  
years and
> then
> > step aside after a genuine multiparty  contest. It is left to
> Gambians
> > to decide whether they  have a better way forward.
> >
> >
> >
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