Haruna wrote: "It’s a sad day in America. "
[I beg to differ. What happened in America today is one man's pursuit to
lead the nation came to an end because Americans chose other candidates over
him. His supporters are obviously sad. I guess that qualifies for a sad day in
America for them.] Mori.
Yes Ousman. That's the idea. It is a sad day for America for not being able
to realise the full value of John Edwards. The same is true for the
withdrawals of Dodd, Richardson, Giuliani, and Biden. And the same will have been true
for Obama and Clinton were they to have withdrawn.
"The only value to John endorsing another candidate is to propel them to the
Presidency. " Haruna.
[I think this is a stretch. A phantom of your imagination. If Edwards has so
much power, he wouldn't be dropping out of the race. Moreover he doesn't
control his supporters.] Mori.
You don't have to have inordinate power to propel Obama or Clinton to the
presidency. The power of your message and the power the two see in you is
enough. I am informed both Obama and Clinton have pleaded with John Edwards for
that insignificant power. John Edwards' supporters were not supporting John for
his own sake. John was conveying their message.
[Now that he is out of the race, they (his supporters) will make informed
decisions to shift their support to the two remaining candidates.] Mori.
That is error in analysis. John Edwards' supporters will not necessarily
support either of the two remaining candidates. They will follow the message and
its bearer. That could be McCain or Romney as the latter two re-position
themselves to attract that support. We can be sober about this and persuade them
to stay with the democratic party or we can offend them and estrange them
Ousman.
[Will Edwards' endorsement sway some of his supporters? You betcha.] Mori.
I agree Ousman.
"Will it propel the endorsee to the presidency. I dunno.] Mori.
I know. And I shared it with you. This becomes apparent when you consider
that when they either change party allegiance or abstain from voting, the
democratic party does not have a prayer. At least you share that you dunno. I am
not sure why then you said the following: [I think this is a stretch. A
phantom of your imagination. If Edwards has so much power, he wouldn't be dropping
out of the race. Moreover he doesn't control his supporters.] Mori. You must
mean that it is a possibility albeit a figment of my imagination! But you
dunno if it is possible.
"Therefore, the proper understanding must precede endorsement. " Haruna
[That sounds like quid pro quo to me.] Mori.
I agree with you Ousman. We know the value of the quid. Now we must discern
the quo.
[Endorsement for the highest bidder. Any takers? Going once, going
twice.....] Mori.
No Ousman. You trivialize the matter much. It is not to the highest bidder
but the proper messenger.
[I hope Edwards is more principled than that.] Mori.
John Edwards is just as principled as that position is. Endorsement quid for
the proper messenger (quo).
[But you should know him better.] Mori.
And I do. So you don't really think its Endorsement of the highest bidder???
"For value to the Democratic Party, I would like John Edwards to endorse
Hillary Clinton and I will afford him that suggestion along with my reasons."
Haruna
[I will love to see what this value to the Democratic party is that an
Edwards endorsement of Clinton will foster as opposed to say an endorsement of
Obama.] Mori.
You and I both may live long enough to see that. it will occur sooner rather
than later Ousman.
[I would also encourage OBAMA to withdraw and endorse Hillary for the good
of the party because among the two candidates, there is really not any more
principle and or substance than exists in McCain or Romney." Haruna
[Whoa ... slow your roll on endorsement advice bro. Senator Obama is running
a 50 state campaign here.] Mori.
So are Hillary and McCain.
"He has the money and momentum to win the primaries." Mori.
So do Hillary and McCain.
"What is this good of the party you talking about?" Mori.
The Democratic Party is aware. Obama included. They will act accordingly.
[The Clinton coronation?] Mori.
No Ousman. But I admire your fire-in-the-belly. If I ever run for president
of Gambia, I will seek your support first.
[If the good of the Democratic party is Obama abandoning a vigorous and
winning campaign to endorse his rival why do we bother with primaries in the
first place.] Mori.
You mischaracterize it. The good of the Democratic party is for Obama to
withdraw his candidature for nomination and endorse Hillary's candidature. Not
Obama abandon his vigorous and winning campaign. That will be commuted to
Hillary's campaign for the proper quo therein.
[Furthermore, there is some difference between Obama and Clinton on issues.
Take Foreign relations for instance. The former takes the pragmatic approach
that you've got to talk to your enemies and reach some compromise with them
without fear while the later saw that as naivety.] Mori.
You mischaracterise Hillary's position here. Regarding talking to avowed
enemies of the United States (not foreign policy), Hillary favours a more
circumspect and measured approach rather than the sentimental "we must talk to our
enemies just as we talk to our friends".
[If we learn anything from the last seven years is that macho saber rattling
doesn't make the world safer.] Mori.
I agree Ousman. Machismo and saber-rattling never makes anyone safer.
hinders circumspect and sobriety. You and me and Obama and Hillary all agree on
that Ousman.
[The democratic party can elect Obama and change the leaf on the fractious
Clinton years of the 90s or galvanize the republican base with Clinton.] Mori.
Or it can elect Hillary and change the tree on the lost opportunities of the
Clinton years while accruing the values thereto. There is some gray area
between your two propositions. There are more women than black folk. And it is
more significant to be a woman than to be black. There are also more black
women than black men. Do you agree??
[You know nothing fires up republicans more than the Clintons.] Mori.
That ought to tell you something dudn't it? They were fired up against Al
Gore and Kerry also. You might want to ignore Republican tantrums when deciding
on your democratic nominee.
[And if the last few weeks are anything to go by most of their anger is
justified. The Clintons do torture the truth.] Mori.
I don't agree with you. I tend to think the Clintons are as astute as the
Obamas when it comes to vote procurement. Both are adept and good and they
massage the truth a bit.
Thanx Mori. You're gonna have to do more than this to convince John Edwards
to endorse Obama. Unless of course you don't think Edwards is that
significant to Obama's propulsion. I think I have to call you to calm you down. You're
getting too agitated.
Always. Masoud. MQJGDT. Darbo. I hope Mr. Jobarteh is not listening. He's
liable to ask me to tell Edwards to go to hell with his endorsement. Al
Khairawan.
Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Its a sad day in America. However, there is hope and we will keep John
Edwards' message alive regardless of President and we will work to ensure
John's
participation in governance.
The only value to John endorsing another candidate is to propel them to the
Presidency. Therefore, the proper understanding must precede endorsement.
For
value to the Democratic party, I would like John Edwards to endorse Hillary
Clinton and I will afford him that suggestion along with my reasons. I would
also encourage OBAMA to withdraw and endorse Hillary for the good of the
party
because among the two candidates, there is really not any more principle and
or substance than exists in McCain or Romney. Right now, with Edwards out
of
the race, the two candidates will rely on more benign considerations for
votes. Politics as usual. I love both OBAMA and Hillary but pragmatically,
I
would Edwards endorses Hillary Clinton for President.
In a message dated 1/30/2008 8:12:22 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
His supporters could go either way. I hope they sway towards my candidate:
Mr. Obama. Georgia is one of the super Tuesday states ...I hope Edwards
supporters like Haruna will give Mr. Obama a chance. Look at his record,
character,
charisma and his audacious stance that he could bring this nation together
after the fractious Clinton and Bush years.
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