Men how did you know???? I'm into local brewski now. Our own distillery. Moonshine. You know me too well Giuseppe. I'm tired of hearing your mouth about my premium brewski. You're just jealous cos you can't haay non.
Your God, Haruna.
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From: Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thu, Nov 10, 2011 9:42 am
Subject: Re: [G_L] Wow Giuseppe!!!
Rashidiki, did you switch your brand of hops again? You were doing fine with Bud. Ndokey Kanna N'doyaa!
Joe
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 05:04:30 -0500
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Giuseppe, you're a funny man.
[-----Original Message----- From: Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wed, Nov 9, 2011 12:09 pm Subject: Re: [G_L] Wow!!!
Laye, yes, we, the ELITES in the diaspora are the ones out of touch and helping entrench Yaya, not Ousaunou and Halifa who the nation asked to do for them a simple compromise - Unity for the Sake of Gambians.] Giuseppe.
I think it were Halifa who contended the diaspora is out of touch. Ousainou has always recognized and acclaimed the value of diaspora Gambians in the national conversation. That comes from democratic focus. I suppose you just had to include Ousainou here because you can't help yourself. We cannot hold our leaders accountable when we constantly diffuse their crimes.
What Halifa is basically saying to you and brother Demba is that pdois, NRP, gpdp, martin, UDP, ppp, gmc are the purview of pdois, NRP, gpdp,martin, UDP, ppp, gmc STAKEHOLDERS. And even if you are drunk, you now know who the stakeholders of these entities are.
[Their egos can't accommodate the wishes of the people.] Giuseppe.
The egos of these valiant men and women can only be proportional o their electoral affinities. So no, that will not include you. Just your farthings. If you're willing to part with what little you've got.
[It is also telling that Halifa would chide those on the outside for not coming to the ground to set up a party. Halifa must be departing from his clarion call that the "Masses are the Makers of History" or "the masses own their destiny".] Giuseppe.
NO. It is more telling that you cannot comprehend Halifa's rhetoric. Masses here means stakeholders. Not just warm bodies.
[So, in Halifa's view, we have less rights because we are not on the ground.] Giuseppe.
No no no no Joe-joe. Halifa does not and cannot have any affect on your rights or the extent of those rights. You yield those rights from the constitution of the Gambia. If anyone tries to tamper with them, call me. Don't misrepresent what Halifa is saying for your cluelessness.
[Also, we can only be heard if we agree with him.] Giuseppe.
NO that is not what Halifa is saying. Halifa infers that He, Halifa, does not desire to listen to nor consider the views of perpetual complainers who are not stakeholders in his enterprise. pdois. And he is right. That would be a severe waste of his time. Even when you agree with him, Halifa does not have the time to consider your agreements. He has never said you will get his ear only when you agree with him. He says you have to first be a stakeholder in pdois and only then will he consider your views. I recommend my class: "Translating political jargon 1000".
[How is that different from Yaya denying us our franchise?] Giuseppe.
How can you compare Halifa exercising his own rights given to him by the constitution, to Yahya abrogating your rights Joe-joe??????????????????????????????? That is unfair to Halifa. Yahya is committing a crime. Halifa is NOT.
[The other thing is, what does it mean to call oneself a leader?] Giuseppe.
A good politician does not call him/herself a leader. He/she leads the people and convinces his/her followers to accept him/her as leader. Halifa never called himself a leader without qualifying who he is leading and for what purpose.
[If the citizens you wish to lead do not like the way things are handled, they will let you know loud and clear.] Giuseppe.
Yes. As long as they are the citizens you are leading. Those other citizens who pretend you are leading them, they just have personal problems. You can't help them.
[Regarding the convention and its outcome, how can Halifa deny that it was not predestined? How is that a speculation? Hamat said to all and sundry that he MUST lead any alliance he joins and indeed he has vindicated himself by doing what he promised. Halifa and PDOIS heard Hamat loud and clear, and they set the stage to validate Hamat. They can list rules to wazoo, however, the outcome was determined before any rules were written. You noticed I never said that Mai, Henry, or Sidia would be selected - I loudly said Hamat. In fact, I was engaged by a lieutenant here and I asked him to put his money where his mouth was - that Hamat was indeed going to be the Flagbearer. Where is the need to speculate when Hamat gave us all the information we needed? If Hamat can break from the UDP because of it, what makes anyone including Halifa not see that Hamat will not do it for PDOIS or GPDP? This was crystal clear.] Giuseppe.
Halifa never denied or ascertained that the outcome of the pdois convent was pre-determined. That is for you to worry about. Not Halifa. He has a right to envision a scheme and design a process that yields the desired result. Regardless of what Hamat says or does not say. Hamat is not the one designing the scheme. Hamat has proven to be a natural follower.
[Yes, like most things, where PDOIS bit they wil bite to death and insignificant Joe here cannot do anything about it. What I can do that not even PDOIS can stop is to call the stink by its smell.] Giuseppe
EGGZACTLY.
[Leaders in the opposition need to understand very clear that the citizens will challenge their assumptions and opinions where ever the people see fit.] Giuseppe.
They do understand Joe-joe. What else they understand is that challenges vary in quality and intent. And the qualification of a challenge is their rightful purview.
[This is becoming more evident that it is one man, that is insisting he is right and at all times, regardless of the mass voice.] Giuseppe
I see no problem with a man arguing his positions to be right all the time do you? And you misunderstand the word mass voice. There is an implicit qualifier in that word Joe-joe.
[We have a problem of two obstacles - Ousainou who insisted on leading and nothing else] Giuseppe.
I don't see any problem there.
[and Halifa who insisted on managing the show to his liking - Convention.] Giuseppe.
I don't see any problem here either.
[The sad thing here is each managed to stick to their guns with their egos and the citizens are left to hold the bucket.] Giuseppe.
And what're you going to do with your bucket you're left holding. I'll buy it from you if you have no use for it Joe-joe.
[Clearly, this is not about the wishes of the people, but all about them two and it is about time we recognize that. Very disappointing, but this is the last time we would be treated with contempt by any party or its leader.] Giuseppe.
If I have a farthing for every time you idiots say "this is the last time I'm doing this and that" I'd be the richest man in Gambia. And you know what that means don't you? You behind will have to ask for my permission to go shit.
Haruna.
> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:06:03 -0600
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>
> http://maafanta.com/HaliphaSallahOnHaliphaTheStateOfTheOpposition.html
>
>
> Foroyaa: Some people are saying that PDOIS has handed over the United
> Front to the NRP. What is your reaction?
>
> Halifa: The Convention has rules and they are stated in black and
> white. No party candidate or Independent Candidate
> is excluded. If people who consider themselves competent refuse to
> assume their national responsibility then they
> should not caricature the so-called lesser endowed persons who stand
> up to be counted. The people who are failing
> Gambian society are those Gambians in the Diaspora who spend their
> days and nights to attack those who are making
> the supreme sacrifice to combat impunity at home.
> They do not come home to establish political parties to uproot the
> regime but do not reward the little others are doing
> even if it is not enough. It is very clear that the outcome of the
> convention cannot be predicted. Those who make their
> predictions are just speculating. The rules of engagement at the
> convention are as follows:
>
> 1.1 The United Front shall hold a convention on a day and time
> unanimously agreed by all member parties on the basis
> of 10 delegates per region per party or on any other basis of
> selecting 70 delegates that is acceptable to a party under
> its constitution.
>
> 1.2 An organising committee comprising a representative from each
> party shall be appointed by the executive or central
> committees of the member parties to be responsible for putting the
> logistics in place to hold the convention.
>
> 1.3 Each party that wishes to put up a candidate or any Independent
> person who wishes to be a candidate for selection
> by the Convention shall send a letter to the organising committee and
> copy it to all member parties, no later than a day
> before the holding of the convention.
>
> 1.4 A public announcement shall be made of the date and venue of the
> convention.
>
> 1.5 Each Independent Candidate is entitled to two delegates, one to
> propose his or her nomination and the other to
> second the motion.
>
> 1.6 Each party candidate shall be nominated by the party and the
> nomination shall be seconded by another party
> member who is a delegate.
>
> 1.7 Each delegate shall have one vote and shall be entitled to cast
> that vote in secret. Each candidate shall be entitled
> to address the delegates on the merits of his or her candidature.
>
> 1.8 No person shall be selected as a presidential candidate on the
> first ballot unless he or she has more than fifty
> percent of the votes validly cast at the convention.
>
> 1.9 Should no person have fifty percent of the votes cast in the
> first round, the two persons who have the highest and
> second highest number of votes shall participate in the second round.
>
> 1.9.1 In the second round of voting the person with the highest number
> of votes would be the presidential candidate.
>
> 1.9.2 Upon selection of the Presidential Candidate a committee comprising the
> representatives of the executives of each member party and the
> Presidential candidate shall engage in consultation to
> select a running mate. The running mate shall be selected by consensus
> giving due regard to the value he or she could
> add to the ticket to enhance a successful outcome.
>
> 1.9.3 Upon winning an election under the United Front, the President
> and Vice President shall serve one five year term
> and at the end of the five years, shall neither seek a second mandate
> nor show preference for any presidential
> candidate in the next following Presidential election.
>
> 1.9.4 Constitutional amendments shall be promulgated to ensure that
> all subsequent presidents shall serve no more
> than two terms as President of the Republic of The Gambia .
>
> ========================================================================================================================
>
> --
> -Laye
> ==============================
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